Carl Crawford - No Leading Example

Wolf Hopper · 04-24-2003, 11:00 PM

Carl Crawford, TB's lead-off hitter, so far this year, in 107 Plate Appearances has ONE WALK.

Yes. Uno. One.

Holy Woody Jensen Batman!

WiredTiger · 04-24-2003, 11:43 PM

I would think it will catch up with him eventually. But maybe he is a Soriano/Vlad type talent.

nyy26wc · 04-25-2003, 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by WiredTiger
I would think it will catch up with him eventually. But maybe he is a Soriano/Vlad type talent.

I don't think you can say "eventually."

He's already hitting .265 SLG, .233 OBA, .498 OPS, -9 RCAA in 21 games this year and .341 SLG, .275 OBA, .615 OPS, -18 RCAA in 84 career games.

Do we really have to wait until the future before a lack of strikezone judgment "starts" to affect him?

Wolf Hopper · 04-25-2003, 07:24 AM

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CAREER
MODERN (1900-)
AGE < 21
PLATE APPEARANCES > 200
WALKS <= 20
RUNS CREATED/GAME > 3

RCAA                           RCAA      PA       BB      RC/G    
1    Derrell Griffith              2      256        5     4.14   
T2   Thad Bosley                   0      235       16     4.31   
T2   Cliff Heathcote               0      375       20     3.74   
T2   Kevin Bell                    0      258       18     4.06   
5    Jay Johnstone                -2      268       11     3.74   
T6   Garry Templeton              -3      225        7     3.98   
T6   Jim Fregosi                  -3      225       19     4.50   
8    Jack Burnett                 -4      232       15     3.45   
9    Sammy Sosa                   -5      203       11     3.33   
10   Rene Lachemann               -6      235       12     3.34   
11   Dib Williams                 -7      214       15     4.39   
T12  Adrian Beltre                -8      214       14     3.38   
T12  Larry Doyle                  -8      251       20     3.33   
T14  Carl Crawford                -9      278        9     3.71   
T14  Jack Hayden                  -9      235       18     4.20   
16   Woody English               -11      374       16     3.90   
T17  Aramis Ramirez              -12      275       18     3.55   
T17  Billy Sullivan              -12      392       20     3.97   
19   Heinie Schuble              -13      228        7     3.33   
20   Frankie Hayes               -18      276       20     3.25

Interesting list he's made - - - Sosa was able to turn it around - - jury is out on Beltre and Ramirez - - - 'tho Crawford is a lead-off/speed guy - - - so, maybe Templeton is a closer match for him?

Skip · 04-25-2003, 08:41 AM

Hey ... that guy at #1 was a heck of a basketball player too.

SmedIndy · 04-25-2003, 09:47 AM

I'd bet he'd take the Templeton or Jay Johnstone career, though it wouldn't be what was advertised.

KCBOOMER · 04-25-2003, 10:00 AM

The kid's only 21 so there is hope. Jim Fregosi is on the list too and he had a pretty good career. Not a superstar mind you, but, for a shortstop, he had some nice offensive numbers. Both Crawford and Fregosi and their first 200 AB's before their 21st birthday.

Unfortunately, his 2003 numbers are dreadful.

Fuzzy Bear · 04-26-2003, 03:07 PM

Crawford's minor league stats suggest more patience than he's shown at the ML level, so far.

Crawford may be helped by batting 9th for a while. Of course, that moves Rey Ordonez up in the order. On a better team, that would be a good option, and may be here, despite the problems.

clemente21 · 04-27-2003, 03:05 AM

Could part of the problem be that, because he has Ordonez "batting" in front of him, Crawford is not getting a lot of PA with men on base?

04-25-2003, 07:24 AM	#4
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Code: CAREER MODERN (1900-) AGE < 21 PLATE APPEARANCES > 200 WALKS <= 20 RUNS CREATED/GAME > 3 RCAA RCAA PA BB RC/G 1 Derrell Griffith 2 256 5 4.14 T2 Thad Bosley 0 235 16 4.31 T2 Cliff Heathcote 0 375 20 3.74 T2 Kevin Bell 0 258 18 4.06 5 Jay Johnstone -2 268 11 3.74 T6 Garry Templeton -3 225 7 3.98 T6 Jim Fregosi -3 225 19 4.50 8 Jack Burnett -4 232 15 3.45 9 Sammy Sosa -5 203 11 3.33 10 Rene Lachemann -6 235 12 3.34 11 Dib Williams -7 214 15 4.39 T12 Adrian Beltre -8 214 14 3.38 T12 Larry Doyle -8 251 20 3.33 T14 Carl Crawford -9 278 9 3.71 T14 Jack Hayden -9 235 18 4.20 16 Woody English -11 374 16 3.90 T17 Aramis Ramirez -12 275 18 3.55 T17 Billy Sullivan -12 392 20 3.97 19 Heinie Schuble -13 228 7 3.33 20 Frankie Hayes -18 276 20 3.25 Interesting list he's made - - - Sosa was able to turn it around - - jury is out on Beltre and Ramirez - - - 'tho Crawford is a lead-off/speed guy - - - so, maybe Templeton is a closer match for him? __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

04-25-2003, 10:00 AM	#7
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	The kid's only 21 so there is hope. Jim Fregosi is on the list too and he had a pretty good career. Not a superstar mind you, but, for a shortstop, he had some nice offensive numbers. Both Crawford and Fregosi and their first 200 AB's before their 21st birthday. Unfortunately, his 2003 numbers are dreadful. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

04-27-2003, 03:05 AM	#9
clemente21 All-NetShrine Team Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 461	Could part of the problem be that, because he has Ordonez "batting" in front of him, Crawford is not getting a lot of PA with men on base? __________________ Nick "I would like to be someone who would like to be me." - Jan Nordgreen

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04-24-2003, 11:00 PM	#1
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Carl Crawford - No Leading Example Carl Crawford, TB's lead-off hitter, so far this year, in 107 Plate Appearances has ONE WALK. Yes. Uno. One. Holy Woody Jensen Batman! __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

04-24-2003, 11:43 PM	#2
WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	I would think it will catch up with him eventually. But maybe he is a Soriano/Vlad type talent.

04-25-2003, 08:41 AM	#5
Skip NetShrine Vagabond Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Louisville Posts: 7,866	Hey ... that guy at #1 was a heck of a basketball player too.

04-25-2003, 09:47 AM	#6
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	I'd bet he'd take the Templeton or Jay Johnstone career, though it wouldn't be what was advertised.

04-26-2003, 03:07 PM	#8
Fuzzy Bear NetShrine's Evangelist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Living by faith, and not by sight! Posts: 2,194	Crawford's minor league stats suggest more patience than he's shown at the ML level, so far. Crawford may be helped by batting 9th for a while. Of course, that moves Rey Ordonez up in the order. On a better team, that would be a good option, and may be here, despite the problems.

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