Jim Kaat - Still Pitching [merged threads]

Max Power · 03-11-2003, 10:09 AM

It's Jim Kaat's Still Pitching: Musings from the Mound......

Just got it yesterday - - looks like a quick and insightful read - fun too. Will let you know for sure.................

KCBOOMER · 03-11-2003, 10:24 AM

I would think Kaat could write an interesting book that might have some interesting insights to the game.

Max Power · 03-11-2003, 10:47 AM

I really enjoy him on the air - and do expect it to be a good book as a result.

pwdennis · 03-11-2003, 07:18 PM

Kaat is articulate and intelligent. I don't think I'd consider him a Yankee, though

Max Power · 03-11-2003, 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by pwdennis
Kaat is articulate and intelligent. I don't think I'd consider him a Yankee, though

He's been doing their games on TV for the last 8 years.............

pathogan · 03-12-2003, 11:38 AM

...and has something to say, which would make his book well worth reading

pwdennis · 03-12-2003, 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by pathogan
...and has something to say, which would make his book well worth reading

Which is no doubt true

Bruce Markusen · 03-13-2003, 08:43 PM

I agree that Kaat is an excellent announcer, the best of the many "thousands" of broadcasters the Yankees seem to use throughout the season.

Kaat has a lot of interesting ideas about pitching, many of which run counter to either Sabermetric or current-day pitching philosophies. For example, he's not a big believer in pitch counts, at least not when they're talked about in a vacuum and with no context. He feels that on certain days--when a pitcher has good mechanics and is throwing smoothly--a pitcher can throw well into the 100s (number of pitches that is, not MPH) without risk of injury. On other days, a guy could be hurting himself at 60 or 70 pitches, if his mechanics are off and he's really laboring.

Kaat also believes that major league teams would be smart to consider a return to a four-man rotation, while carrying an extra reliever or two on the staff. When Kaat was a pitching coach with the Reds, he expressed a preference for the four-man rotation, but I'm guessing that his idea was vetoed by others in the organization.

SmedIndy · 03-13-2003, 09:17 PM

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Originally posted by Max Power
He's been doing their games on TV for the last 8 years.............

But how many games did he pitch for the Twins and White Sox. I could care less who he shills for - he is who he pitched for on the mound.

Max Power · 03-13-2003, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by SmedIndy
But how many games did he pitch for the Twins and White Sox. I could care less who he shills for - he is who he pitched for on the mound.

So, Steve Stone would be an O?

nyy26wc · 03-14-2003, 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by Max Power
So, Steve Stone would be an O?

Sure.

Just like no matter how much time he spends as a Yankee broadcaster, Ken Singleton's an Oriole.

It's no different from the fact that Robin Yount is a coach for the Diamondbacks, but there's no doubt that he's a Brewer.

Max Power · 03-14-2003, 07:33 AM

Guess I should clarirfy - - never meant to imply if Kaat gets Cooperstown that he should go in as a Yankee. More so, what I meant was that, NOW, given his long tenure with the organization - - - and lasting 8 years in the booth with Stein is long - - that the title "Another Book Out Of The Yankee Camp!" is applicable for this thread - - that's all.

rcartman28 · 03-14-2003, 09:16 AM

I have a bobblehead of Kaat at home, as a Twin, which is how I generally think of him.

SmedIndy · 03-14-2003, 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by Max Power
So, Steve Stone would be an O?

And a Cub, and a Giant, and a White Sox.

It could just as easily be a "book out of the Phillies history".

Max Power · 03-15-2003, 11:26 AM

Back to the book - - -
it's a very fast read - - like Sleeper Cars and Flannel Uniforms...........

but, it's a very interesting book. Insightful, and very honest.

I enjoyed it very much.

Just a tad - a very small amount - of "Today's players are bigger stronger, etc. but we played the game better......."

But, know what, that's probably true!

03-11-2003, 10:09 AM	#1
Max Power NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: May 2002 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 5,548	Another Book Out Of The Yankee Camp! It's Jim Kaat's Still Pitching: Musings from the Mound...... Just got it yesterday - - looks like a quick and insightful read - fun too. Will let you know for sure................. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator "They come and they go, Hobbs. They come and they go." That's why there's NetShrine.com

03-11-2003, 10:24 AM	#2
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	I would think Kaat could write an interesting book that might have some interesting insights to the game. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

03-11-2003, 10:47 AM	#3
Max Power NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: May 2002 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 5,548	I really enjoy him on the air - and do expect it to be a good book as a result. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator "They come and they go, Hobbs. They come and they go." That's why there's NetShrine.com

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pwdennis NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 2,503	Kaat is articulate and intelligent. I don't think I'd consider him a Yankee, though __________________ "I would submit that if the world survives for a million years, perhaps its finest hour may be that in the last half of the 20th century, when the power to blow up the world rested in the hands of a few men in two very unsophisticated and suspicious countries, we didn't do it, and one American, Richard Nixon, moved the cold war away from permanent confrontation toward victory. How could any wrong that he did compare with that?" - John Sears

03-12-2003, 11:38 AM	#6
pathogan william Blake's Innkeeper Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 2,828	Kaat is intelligent ...and has something to say, which would make his book well worth reading

03-13-2003, 08:43 PM	#8
Bruce Markusen NetShrine MVP Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Cooperstown, NY Posts: 213	I agree that Kaat is an excellent announcer, the best of the many "thousands" of broadcasters the Yankees seem to use throughout the season. Kaat has a lot of interesting ideas about pitching, many of which run counter to either Sabermetric or current-day pitching philosophies. For example, he's not a big believer in pitch counts, at least not when they're talked about in a vacuum and with no context. He feels that on certain days--when a pitcher has good mechanics and is throwing smoothly--a pitcher can throw well into the 100s (number of pitches that is, not MPH) without risk of injury. On other days, a guy could be hurting himself at 60 or 70 pitches, if his mechanics are off and he's really laboring. Kaat also believes that major league teams would be smart to consider a return to a four-man rotation, while carrying an extra reliever or two on the staff. When Kaat was a pitching coach with the Reds, he expressed a preference for the four-man rotation, but I'm guessing that his idea was vetoed by others in the organization. __________________ Author of the book, Tales From The Mets Dugout, available from Sports Publishing.

03-14-2003, 07:33 AM	#12
Max Power NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: May 2002 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 5,548	Guess I should clarirfy - - never meant to imply if Kaat gets Cooperstown that he should go in as a Yankee. More so, what I meant was that, NOW, given his long tenure with the organization - - - and lasting 8 years in the booth with Stein is long - - that the title "Another Book Out Of The Yankee Camp!" is applicable for this thread - - that's all. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator "They come and they go, Hobbs. They come and they go." That's why there's NetShrine.com

03-14-2003, 09:16 AM	#13
rcartman28 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hudson, WI Posts: 1,408	I have a bobblehead of Kaat at home, as a Twin, which is how I generally think of him. __________________ I would have looked out for the water main. But that's just me..... Brett Favre

03-15-2003, 11:26 AM	#15
Max Power NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: May 2002 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 5,548	Back to the book - - - it's a very fast read - - like Sleeper Cars and Flannel Uniforms........... but, it's a very interesting book. Insightful, and very honest. I enjoyed it very much. Just a tad - a very small amount - of "Today's players are bigger stronger, etc. but we played the game better......." But, know what, that's probably true! __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator "They come and they go, Hobbs. They come and they go." That's why there's NetShrine.com

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