Yankees, money, etc. (from News)

This is the new thread, requested by Netshrine, to continue the Yankees, money, competitive advantage, and what-not discussion from the draft rules thread.

I'll be ducking out once the game starts but please explain why you didn't like George and some of the Yankees. Was it getting Reggie and Catfish from the A's, the present Yankees, something from the winless 80s?

Originally posted by Throwback
Also, on the subject of New York players given a preferential shot at the hall of fame, how about NY Giant Ross Youngs?

I hate saying it, but since many Mets fans felt they carried the torch from the Giants and Dodgers players, inheriting their old fans, would you hate the Mets for this purpose?

I'm not trying to pass blame along, but the Giants were an NL team and like Dodgers fans, they did very much hate the Yankees for their winning ways. Even the 51 WS, after the Shot, the Yankees still won that.

[BuzzBuzzard]

Originally posted by Yogi#8Fan
I hate saying it, but since many Mets fans felt they carried the torch from the Giants and Dodgers players, inheriting their old fans, would you hate the Mets for this purpose?

I'm not trying to pass blame along, but the Giants were an NL team and like Dodgers fans, they did very much hate the Yankees for their winning ways. Even the 51 WS, after the Shot, the Yankees still won that.

This has nothing to do with the Mets perspective I bring, but I have absolutely no idea what your point is. Can you elaborate?

Originally posted by BuzzBuzzard
This has nothing to do with the Mets perspective I bring, but I have absolutely no idea what your point is. Can you elaborate?

I wasn't in any way implying yourself and/or your wife, the only Mets fans here I know of, were saying this. I was referring to the various Mets fans I'd known who'd said that the Mets, as an NL team, inherited the torch or at least the fan base from both the Giants and Dodgers.

If saying that DiM got the 41 MVP over Teddy, that's Yankees. But why would anything about the MLB NY Giants lead to hating the Yankees? That would seem NY baseball teams in general, but not the Yankees.

Remember, I'm _not_ saying that the Mets should be hated for this reason. Just saying that there's no reason to hate the Yankees for a decision concerning a team whose fans obviously weren't Yankee fans. Since Mets took inherited those same fans, I was asking Throwback if he'd also hated the Mets for the decision which worked in the Giants' favor.

Make sense now?

[BuzzBuzzard]

I am really not following, but that is ok. Could be I am tired this morning.

Although I do hate the Mets, it is for no rational reason, it's just a function of a rivalry between the them and the Cards. I take exception any time a New York player is given preferential treatment for any sort of award because New York is the media capital of the world. The only thing I meant by the NY Giants/Ross Youngs reference was that the New York media carries too much weight in voting for recognition like MVP and HOF. I don't hate the historical Giants for this, much less the current Mets, I'm just making a blanket statement about the disproportionate attention and partial treatment that NY teams get from its media. For example, New York writers don't like Carl Mays, and though very deserving, he is not in the Hall despite being eligible since the very first election. Conversely, Youngs can hardly be said to be a Hall of Fame player, but he's an old NY player, and has been in for quite some time.

I must say, it's interesting that Giants fans hated the Yankees for their winning ways. Their memory is very short, considering that before the Yankees started winning championships, it was the Giants themselves who more or less purchased WS rings (or watches, in some cases).

I hope I have answered your questions adequately.

Originally posted by Throwback
[b]Although I do hate the Mets, it is for no rational reason, it's just a function of a rivalry between the them and the Cards. I take exception any time a New York player is given preferential treatment for any sort of award because New York is the media capital of the world.

In the current situation, the Fox announcers seemed to be hoping that Seattle still has a chance. They'd mentioned some possible game 6 or 7 and it seemed to me that this is what they were hoping for. Last year's Subway Series in October drew very low ratings outside of the NY/NJ/CT tristate area and fresh blood (SEA/ARI) would seem to bolster a larger viewing audience. Even a non sports site I contribute to, someone in upstate NY said that a SEA/STL WS would've been much more interesting than an NYY/NYM series, which explained the low audience turnout.

The media may be often in NYC, but they look at ratings. MLB itself has offices in NYC but that doesn't mean they look upon the Yanks any better, especially with the fines levied against Yankees (not referring to the $50k fine Clemens paid against Piazza).

The only thing I meant by the NY Giants/Ross Youngs reference was that the New York media carries too much weight in voting for recognition like MVP and HOF. I don't hate the historical Giants for this, much less the current Mets, I'm just making a blanket statement about the disproportionate attention and partial treatment that NY teams get from its media.

I may need to follow more MVP and HOF voting some more. One recent inductee was Winfield, who'd played in the 70s for the Padres and in the 80s for the Yanks. Do you believe the NY media influenced this decision? I'm just trying to pick your brain so forgive me for asking a few questions. Thanks.

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Sorry for being so vague. When I said media, I should have specified writers, and I'm not necessarily talking about the way the teams are portrayed to the rest of the country, either. It simply doesn't make sense for someone who is not already a Yankees partisan to want the Yankees to win. Seattle was clearly the better team this year, so the vast majority of objective observers (if such observers exist), would tend to hope the M's win, because the better team winning is a basic principal of competition. Sports tend to do what they can to favor the better team, with things like home field advantage and seeded matchups, all because it is a given that the best team should usually win. Unfortunately, we're seeing the third best NL team and, if the Yankees hold on, the third best AL team as well. That's really not how anyone besides Yankee and D-Back partisans would like to see it. My objection to the media situation is mainly focused on awards and recognition, not success. The Yankees are going to do what they're going to do on the field, no matter what people in the media say. It's just that how their achievements are evaluated is seriously slanted by a favorable media.

In response to your second idea, I wouldn't suggest paying more attention to this voting. I wish I didn't know anything about it. I'd be a lot more content.

Lastly, I can see where Winfield may have been influenced a little by media bias. I certainly think he could have waited a few more years to go in and I don't think he was the best choice out there, but once you get 3000 hits, it's going to take a ban to keep you out of the hall, no matter where you play. So, ultimately, it probably didn't make much difference in his case.

I was speaking to a Tribe fan awhile ago and we both agreed that the Yankees are an October team, not an April->September team. Look at 2000, Yanks barely limped into the playoffs, barely beat the A's, a team which nobody expected to be even there, much less force a 5th game.

After Yanks beat M's, they were still many Mets fans who'd felt the Yanks were ready to be dethroned. Nothing against them or any other team the Yanks have faced in Octobers past, but the Yankees simply know how to win in October. Just like beating Pedro, they seem to step it up a notch when they absolutely have to. That they'd come back from 2-0 down against Oakland and swept the next three games against the same A's, but this time the heavily favored A's shows to me they can take advantage of their opponents mistakes, either with the bat, glove or whatever else it takes to win.

I'll give all respect to the various teams the Yanks have or will face in October, but I just feel that the Yankees have a very strong way of winning, since they've been there so frequently and with much of the same staff that it's a team effort where everyone contributes and no one person is expected to do it all. To me, that would be part of the Yankee tradition, if I may say so w/o disrespecting any other team, the Diamondbacks (Rattlesnakes?) being no exception.

I believe we would do a lot better by going by record as to who makes it to the World Series. It's archaic, I know, but I would've liked it better back in the days of 1 division and the best team in each league goes to the WS. The two division format wasn't bad either, comparitively. I just think it's a rarity, especially nowadays, that there are four teams worthy of the postseason in either league, and the saddest thing is, these teams sometimes win the championship, anyway (Marlins '97, Yankees '01?). It seems rather absurd that over the course of 162 games, the league championship should not even be narrowed down two two teams. It makes sense for Football, with Strength of Schedule concerns and only 16 games, and to a lesser extent for hockey and basketball, but baseball has been, and in my opinon should remain, as much about the first 162 games as the last 4-19. This is made painfully obvious when a team that has far and away been the best team in baseball does not even pose an LCS challenge.