Number Two in Royal Blue

Ytown Tribe fan · 02-05-2003, 08:01 AM

Thirty-four seasons. Seven Division Titles. Two AL Championships. One Ring. One Hall-of-Famer.

Who was the second greatest Royal of all time?

I wish I had room to include other fine players, such as Paul Splittorff, Jeff Montgomery, Bret Saberhagen and Freddie Patek. There were so many really good players in the franchise's short history.

WiredTiger · 02-05-2003, 08:30 AM

I think the Quis was second best. He was one of the best relievers ever.

rcartman28 · 02-05-2003, 09:14 AM

I think Otis was the best everyday player, but I voted for Quiz anyway......

pwdennis · 02-05-2003, 09:16 AM

I opted for Dennis Leonard, the only pitcher in Royals history to put together a string of seven good seasons (1975-1981), and who won 20 games three times.

followed by:

Frank White
Dan Quisenberry

TGwynn19 · 02-05-2003, 09:25 AM

What about Kevin "Alka" Seitzer??

KCBOOMER · 02-05-2003, 09:44 AM

I know Hal McRae isn't the second best player and he isn't the second most loved player but he is the second most important player in franchise history. He is the guy with his mental toughness and drive to win that got the Royals out of their "we're an axpansion team" mentally and into a winning frame of mind. Brett attributes much of his success to learning the game from McRae.

Max Power · 02-05-2003, 10:49 AM

I look at this list and say - who on the list would have a shot at Cooperstown?

The name that comes up is Frank White. If Bill Maz is in, that White should be in too. So, I voted for White.

To run up the defensive numbers that White did, playing on turf, is very impressive - - just as good as Maz, IMHO.

And, yes, I say this even 'tho he was a "ah" hitter.

JamesI · 02-05-2003, 11:46 AM

Hard to say. I'll take Saberhagen.

sweaver · 02-05-2003, 01:37 PM

It's A.O. A long and excellent career, almost all of it in the Royal Blue.

Win Shares as a Royal:
Brett 432
Otis 284
Wilson 219
McRae 214
White 211
Quiz 149
Appier 147
Gubicza 141
Splittorff 140
Mayberry and Montgomery 134 each
Leonard 133
Saberhagen 131
Patek 122

LeGrandOrange · 02-05-2003, 02:03 PM

Hal McRae was both an underrated player (not to mention the guy who popularized the much maligned DH) and a decent manager who should've never been let go by management...his firing might be the reason the Royals struggle now...9 years later...oy.

But never the less, the dual success gives him the intangible edge in this poll...because it is a CLOSE, CLOSE race between them for #2.

Rinkster · 02-05-2003, 04:35 PM

I had to vote for A.O., although I have to admit I considered both Mark Davis and Neifi Perez.

TimmyB · 02-05-2003, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KCBOOMER
I know Hal McRae isn't the second best player and he isn't the second most loved player but he is the second most important player in franchise history. He is the guy with his mental toughness and drive to win that got the Royals out of their "we're an axpansion team" mentally and into a winning frame of mind. Brett attributes much of his success to learning the game from McRae.

What he said.

pathogan · 02-06-2003, 09:06 AM

...with my head, quiz with my heart{though actually saberhagen might be #2,still had the best stuff i have ever seen

02-10-2003, 04:05 PM

Mike Sweeney will have to be on this list in a couple of years.

For now, though, I vote for Frank White, just a little bit ahead of Leonard and Quiz. Freddie Patek was always my favorite though.

Fuzzy Bear · 02-10-2003, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by digger
Mike Sweeney will have to be on this list in a couple of years.

For now, though, I vote for Frank White, just a little bit ahead of Leonard and Quiz. Freddie Patek was always my favorite though.

I voted for Sweeney right now. Until Sweeney came along, it would have been Frank White. However, Sweeney has high enough peak value, and appears consistent enough to give him my vote right now.

View Poll Results: Who's Number 2 in Royal Blue?
Kevin Appier	1	4.55%
Mark Gubicza	0	0%
Dennis Leonard	1	4.55%
John Mayberry	0	0%
Hal McRae	3	13.64%
Amos Otis	6	27.27%
Dan Quisenberry	6	27.27%
Frank White	3	13.64%
Willie Wilson	0	0%
Other - please specify	2	9.09%
Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll

02-05-2003, 08:01 AM	#1
Ytown Tribe fan Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Scrappers territory Posts: 2,515	Number Two in Royal Blue Thirty-four seasons. Seven Division Titles. Two AL Championships. One Ring. One Hall-of-Famer. Who was the second greatest Royal of all time? I wish I had room to include other fine players, such as Paul Splittorff, Jeff Montgomery, Bret Saberhagen and Freddie Patek. There were so many really good players in the franchise's short history. Last edited by Ytown Tribe fan : 02-05-2003 at 08:08 AM.

02-05-2003, 09:14 AM	#3
rcartman28 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hudson, WI Posts: 1,408	I think Otis was the best everyday player, but I voted for Quiz anyway...... __________________ I would have looked out for the water main. But that's just me..... Brett Favre

02-05-2003, 09:16 AM	#4
pwdennis NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 2,503	I opted for Dennis Leonard, the only pitcher in Royals history to put together a string of seven good seasons (1975-1981), and who won 20 games three times. followed by: Frank White Dan Quisenberry __________________ "I would submit that if the world survives for a million years, perhaps its finest hour may be that in the last half of the 20th century, when the power to blow up the world rested in the hands of a few men in two very unsophisticated and suspicious countries, we didn't do it, and one American, Richard Nixon, moved the cold war away from permanent confrontation toward victory. How could any wrong that he did compare with that?" - John Sears

02-05-2003, 09:44 AM	#6
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	I know Hal McRae isn't the second best player and he isn't the second most loved player but he is the second most important player in franchise history. He is the guy with his mental toughness and drive to win that got the Royals out of their "we're an axpansion team" mentally and into a winning frame of mind. Brett attributes much of his success to learning the game from McRae. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

02-05-2003, 08:30 AM	#2
WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	I think the Quis was second best. He was one of the best relievers ever.

02-05-2003, 09:25 AM	#5
TGwynn19 Guest Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 2,087	What about Kevin "Alka" Seitzer??

02-05-2003, 10:49 AM	#7
Max Power NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: May 2002 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 5,548	I look at this list and say - who on the list would have a shot at Cooperstown? The name that comes up is Frank White. If Bill Maz is in, that White should be in too. So, I voted for White. To run up the defensive numbers that White did, playing on turf, is very impressive - - just as good as Maz, IMHO. And, yes, I say this even 'tho he was a "ah" hitter. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator "They come and they go, Hobbs. They come and they go." That's why there's NetShrine.com

02-05-2003, 11:46 AM	#8
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	Hard to say. I'll take Saberhagen.

02-05-2003, 01:37 PM	#9
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	It's A.O. A long and excellent career, almost all of it in the Royal Blue. Win Shares as a Royal: Brett 432 Otis 284 Wilson 219 McRae 214 White 211 Quiz 149 Appier 147 Gubicza 141 Splittorff 140 Mayberry and Montgomery 134 each Leonard 133 Saberhagen 131 Patek 122

02-05-2003, 02:03 PM	#10
LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	Hal McRae was both an underrated player (not to mention the guy who popularized the much maligned DH) and a decent manager who should've never been let go by management...his firing might be the reason the Royals struggle now...9 years later...oy. But never the less, the dual success gives him the intangible edge in this poll...because it is a CLOSE, CLOSE race between them for #2.

02-05-2003, 04:35 PM	#11
Rinkster NetShrine Fan Favorite Join Date: May 2002 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 78	I had to vote for A.O., although I have to admit I considered both Mark Davis and Neifi Perez. __________________ I live in the same town as Bill James and ESPN's John Sickels...wondering if they are hermits

02-06-2003, 09:06 AM	#13
pathogan william Blake's Innkeeper Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 2,828	Otis ...with my head, quiz with my heart{though actually saberhagen might be #2,still had the best stuff i have ever seen

02-10-2003, 04:05 PM	#14
digger Posts: n/a	Royal Greats Mike Sweeney will have to be on this list in a couple of years. For now, though, I vote for Frank White, just a little bit ahead of Leonard and Quiz. Freddie Patek was always my favorite though.

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