Hoffman

cubfan33 · 02-15-2003, 02:28 PM

Bad news on Hoffman - looks like his shoulder isnt getting any better. He's going to try and avoid surgery, but a decision will have to be made on surgery in the next two weeks so as not to endanger his 2004 campaign. The surgery he'll need to have doesn't have much track record within baseball. My guess is he'll need to have the surgery. I'll have a more in depth look on BP later.

mentos · 02-16-2003, 09:05 AM

Has anyone ever been able to work their way out of this sort of injury?

Max Power · 02-16-2003, 09:22 AM

It's the curse of 50 saves..............

..any pitcher who has saved 50 in a season sees his career end in about 4 to 5 years that follow.

Rivera, Smoltz and Gagne fans, beware.

JamesI · 02-16-2003, 02:42 PM

I'd say this hurts the Padres chances, but I don't believe that they had any chance in their division this year.

nyy26wc · 02-16-2003, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by Max Power
It's the curse of 50 saves..............

..any pitcher who has saved 50 in a season sees his career end in about 4 to 5 years that follow.

Rivera, Smoltz and Gagne fans, beware.

I disagree.

It's not a curse of 50 show ups in the 9th. It's the fact that players given that job description have short primes, whether their high is 50 shows up, 40 show ups, 30, ..., whatever.

Max Power · 02-16-2003, 06:14 PM

True, to have more than 25 saves a year in more than 10 seasons is very rare.

mentos · 02-17-2003, 11:29 PM

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True, to have more than 25 saves a year in more than 10 seasons is very rare.

Yeah, but how many pitchers put together more than 10 seasons of above average effectiveness, period?

What would be interesting is to see if somehow a closers usage pattern leads to more injuries as opposed to other relievers?
Perhaps the supposed advantage of knowing they only have one inning to pitch, and they can 'let it rip' does more damage in shortening thier career than it helps in their increase in effectiveness?

No idea how you'd go about quantifying something like that though.

nyy26wc · 02-18-2003, 12:17 AM

To throw in another teaser for the book, I've reproduced a 5 part series I wrote on Mariano Rivera and show up in the 9th inning pitchers in which I addressed longevity.

Max Power · 02-18-2003, 07:30 AM

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Originally posted by mentos
Yeah, but how many pitchers put together more than 10 seasons of above average effectiveness, period?

Statistically, since 1900, there have been 185 pitchers that have done it for 10 or more seasons. About 5 or 6 could join the list this year.

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cubfan33 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,359	Hoffman Bad news on Hoffman - looks like his shoulder isnt getting any better. He's going to try and avoid surgery, but a decision will have to be made on surgery in the next two weeks so as not to endanger his 2004 campaign. The surgery he'll need to have doesn't have much track record within baseball. My guess is he'll need to have the surgery. I'll have a more in depth look on BP later. __________________ UTK available only at www.baseballprospectus.com "I was pulling for Pete and agreeing with (commissioner) Bud Selig that Pete should be eligible for the Hall of Fame," said Giles, now chairman of the Phillies. "Bud was close to making him eligible right after his meeting with Pete (November 2002). Right after that, Pete got into tax trouble (in California), and that delayed the process." - Phillies Chairman Bill Giles in the Dayton Daily News, January 25th, 2004.

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Max Power NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: May 2002 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 5,548	It's the curse of 50 saves.............. ..any pitcher who has saved 50 in a season sees his career end in about 4 to 5 years that follow. Rivera, Smoltz and Gagne fans, beware. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator "They come and they go, Hobbs. They come and they go." That's why there's NetShrine.com

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Max Power NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: May 2002 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 5,548	True, to have more than 25 saves a year in more than 10 seasons is very rare. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator "They come and they go, Hobbs. They come and they go." That's why there's NetShrine.com

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nyy26wc NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 14,584	To throw in another teaser for the book, I've reproduced a 5 part series I wrote on Mariano Rivera and show up in the 9th inning pitchers in which I addressed longevity. __________________ Lee Creator, Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. It's powerful, yet extremely easy to use. Features extensive sorting and stat display options. The CBE has many features that are not available in online and printed sources. Has 2006 stats and daily update service for 2007.

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