Offseason stat package--Worst RSAA

[nyy26wc]

CAREER WORST RSAA LEADERS

1    Kid Carsey                 -176
2    Herm Wehmeier              -161
3    John Coleman               -142
4    Bobby Witt                 -130
5    Mike Kekich                -127
6    Bert Cunningham            -122
7    Stump Wiedman              -121
T8   Jack Fisher                -118
T8   Phil Ortega                -118
10   Bill Hart                  -116
11   Jim Hughey                 -114
12   Jack Wadsworth             -112
T13  Mark Gardner               -110
T13  Harry McIntire             -110
T13  Leo Sweetland              -110
16   Jay Hook                   -109
T17  Jaime Navarro              -107
T17  Chick Fraser               -107
19   Pete Broberg               -105
T20  Bill Magee                 -103
T20  Alex Ferguson              -103
T22  Wade Blasingame            -102
T22  Vic Frasier                -102
T24  Si Johnson                 -101
T24  Elmer Myers                -101
T26  Randy Lerch                 -99
T26  Buck Ross                   -99
28   Kirtley Baker               -98
T29  Kevin Jarvis                -96
T29  Jesse Jefferson             -96
31   Claude Willoughby           -95
T32  Joe Oeschger                -94
T32  Casey Patten                -94
T34  Billy Champion              -93
T34  Andy Hawkins                -93
T34  George Keefe                -93
T34  Jim Walkup                  -93
38   Mike LaCoss                 -91
T39  Mike Sullivan               -90
T39  Jimmy Haynes                -90
T39  Jason Bere                  -90
T42  Tony Cloninger              -89
T42  Carl Scheib                 -89
T44  Tom Griffin                 -88
T44  Bill Kissinger              -88
T44  Bob Barr                    -88
47   Les German                  -87
T48  Jack Lynch                  -86
T48  Steve Arlin                 -86
T48  John Harkins                -86
T51  Bill Dietrich               -85
T51  Jack Neagle                 -85
T51  Kaiser Wilhelm              -85
T51  Todd Van Poppel             -85
T55  Willie Blair                -84
T55  Lev Shreve                  -84
T55  Davey Dunkle                -84
58   Chubby Dean                 -83
T59  Ross Grimsley               -82
T59  Lew Krausse                 -82
T61  Bert Inks                   -81
T61  Brian Williams              -81
T61  Shawn Boskie                -81
T61  Bob Harmon                  -81
T61  Don Black                   -81
66   Jose Lima                   -80
67   Bill Greif                  -79
T68  Herman Besse                -78
T68  Tim Leary                   -78
T70  Fred Mitchell               -77
T70  John D'Acquisto             -77
T70  Fred Talbot                 -77
T73  Blondie Purcell             -76
T73  Terry Mulholland            -76
T73  Blue Moon Odom              -76
T76  Russ Kemmerer               -75
T76  Bill Phillips               -75
T76  Jack Townsend               -75
T76  Lou Kretlow                 -75
T76  Joe Bowman                  -75
T76  Dick Drott                  -75
T82  Chris Knapp                 -74
T82  Jack Hamilton               -74
T82  Frank LaCorte               -74
T82  Scott Aldred                -74
T86  Jimmy Jones                 -73
T86  Boom-Boom Beck              -73
T86  Bennie Daniels              -73
T86  Dave Freisleben             -73
T86  Chris Codiroli              -73
91   Pat Mahomes                 -72
T92  Ike Pearson                 -71
T92  Sean Bergman                -71
T92  Russ Van Atta               -71
T92  Benny Frey                  -71
T92  Glenn Abbott                -71
T97  Pete Smith                  -70
T97  Gus Dorner                  -70
T97  Karl Drews                  -70
T97  Hal Gregg                   -70

[nyy26wc]

SINGLE SEASON WORST RSAA LEADERS

1    Steve Blass              1973      -64
2    Dan Griner               1913      -52
3    Pat Caraway              1931      -51
4    Andy Larkin              1998      -47
5    Johnny Babich            1935      -45
T6   Pol Perritt              1913      -44
T6   Javier Vazquez           1998      -44
T6   Snake Wiltse             1902      -44
T6   Todd Van Poppel          1996      -44
T6   George Caster            1940      -44
T11  Hub Pruett               1927      -43
T11  Bob Harmon               1910      -43
T13  Nels Potter              1939      -42
T13  Bill Phillips            1901      -42
T13  Kaiser Wilhelm           1905      -42
T13  Jim Walkup               1937      -42
T13  Irv Young                1907      -42
T13  Rube Bressler            1915      -42
T13  Roy Halladay             2000      -42
T20  Elmer Myers              1917      -41
T20  Jim Abbott               1996      -41
T20  Jason Bere               1995      -41
T20  Matt Keough              1982      -41
T20  Jack Lamabe              1964      -41
T25  Leo Sweetland            1930      -40
T25  Chubby Dean              1940      -40
T25  Vida Blue                1979      -40
T25  Benny Frey               1935      -40
T29  Mike Oquist              1998      -39
T29  Sloppy Thurston          1925      -39
T29  Clarence Wright          1903      -39
T29  Chick Fraser             1903      -39
T33  Cal McLish               1944      -38
T33  Mike Moore               1995      -38
T33  Rob Bell                 2001      -38
T33  Jim Deshaies             1994      -38
T33  Jim Bibby                1974      -38
T33  Jack Knight              1926      -38
T39  Jimmy Ring               1928      -37
T39  Andy Benes               2001      -37
T39  Herman Besse             1942      -37
T39  Bill Carrick             1902      -37
T39  Jeff Fassero             1999      -37
T39  Hal Gregg                1944      -37
T39  Jack Knott               1936      -37
T39  Frank Gabler             1938      -37
T39  Vic Frasier              1932      -37
T39  Tom Fisher               1904      -37
T49  Jose Lima                2000      -36
T49  Carl Scheib              1950      -36
T49  Dick Welteroth           1949      -36
T49  Art Decatur              1927      -36
T49  Si Johnson               1935      -36
T49  Mark Gardner             1999      -36
T49  Willie Fraser            1988      -36
T49  Steve Hargan             1969      -36
T49  Dave Lemanczyk           1978      -36
T58  Vive Lindaman            1907      -35
T58  Fred Mitchell            1903      -35
T58  Del Lundgren             1927      -35
T58  Camilo Pascual           1955      -35
T58  Chuck Stobbs             1957      -35
T58  Warren Spahn             1964      -35
T58  Mark Davis               1984      -35
T58  Karl Drews               1949      -35
T58  Doug Drabek              1998      -35
T58  Frank Baumann            1961      -35
T58  Harry Byrd               1953      -35
T58  Joe Genewich             1924      -35
T58  Shovel Hodge             1921      -35
T58  Vic Frasier              1933      -35
T58  Andy Hassler             1975      -35
T58  Bill Greif               1972      -35
T58  Jay Hook                 1963      -35
T58  Jimmy Haynes             1996      -35
T76  Jose Mercedes            2001      -34
T76  Marty Pattin             1969      -34
T76  Jack Townsend            1904      -34
T76  Ryan Rupe                2001      -34
T76  Dave Stewart             1991      -34
T76  Ernie Wingard            1927      -34
T76  Claude Willoughby        1930      -34
T76  Earl Whitehill           1937      -34
T76  Dick Barrett             1945      -34
T76  Max Butcher              1940      -34
T76  Scott Elarton            2001      -34
T76  King Cole                1912      -34
T76  Joe Coleman              1975      -34
T76  Jesse Jefferson          1976      -34
T76  Brad Havens              1983      -34
T76  Reggie Grabowski         1934      -34
T76  Ross Grimsley            1980      -34
T76  Stu Flythe               1936      -34
T94  Jack Powell              1900      -33
T94  Flint Rhem               1933      -33
T94  Al Orth                  1903      -33
T94  Jaime Navarro            1998      -33
T94  Rick Wise                1968      -33
T94  Bob Walk                 1993      -33
T94  Claude Willoughby        1926      -33
T94  Roger Wolff              1944      -33
T94  Herm Wehmeier            1950      -33
T94  Scott Erickson           2000      -33
T94  Jose Cabrera             2002      -33
T94  Gene Brabender           1970      -33
T94  Sean Bergman             2000      -33
T94  Frank Hoerst             1942      -33
T94  Wes Ferrell              1938      -33
T94  Ed Holley                1934      -33

[nyy26wc]

ACTIVE WORST RSAA LEADERS

1    Kevin Jarvis                -96
T2   Jimmy Haynes                -90
T2   Jason Bere                  -90
4    Todd Van Poppel             -85
5    Jose Lima                   -80
6    Terry Mulholland            -76
7    Pat Mahomes                 -72
8    Brian Meadows               -69
T9   Ruben Quevedo               -61
T9   Ryan Rupe                   -61
11   James Baldwin               -60
12   Sterling Hitchcock          -57
T13  Glendon Rusch               -56
T13  Dave Mlicki                 -56
15   Jesus Sanchez               -53
T16  Aaron Myette                -52
T16  Matt Perisho                -52
18   Ryan Dempster               -51
19   Rob Bell                    -50
20   Livan Hernandez             -49

[nyy26wc]

2002 WORST RSAA LEADERS

AL
1    Ryan Drese                  -31
2    Steve Sparks                -29
3    Jose Lima                   -28
4    Aaron Myette                -27
T5   Charles Nagy                -23
T5   Adam Bernero                -23
T5   Paul Abbott                 -23
T5   Jaret Wright                -23
9    Todd Ritchie                -22
T10  Scott Erickson              -21
T10  Esteban Loaiza              -21
T12  James Baldwin               -19
T12  Luke Prokopec               -19
T14  Jesus Colome                -18
T14  Tanyon Sturtze              -18
16   Jim Parque                  -15
T17  Brandon Lyon                -14
T17  Shawn Sedlacek              -14
T17  Blake Stein                 -14
T20  Steve Parris                -13
T20  Victor Zambrano             -13
T20  Jeff Farnsworth             -13
T20  Dan Wright                  -13
T24  Frank Castillo              -12
T24  Justin Miller               -12
T24  Jorge Sosa                  -12
T24  John Stephens               -12
T24  Rob Bell                    -12
T29  Joe Mays                    -11
T29  Ryan Rupe                   -11
T29  Josh Towers                 -11
T29  Jerrod Riggan               -11
T29  Luis de los Santos          -11
T29  Chan Ho Park                -11
T35  Aaron Sele                  -10
T35  Sean Douglass               -10
T35  Sun Woo Kim                 -10
T35  Bob Wells                   -10
T35  Travis Harper               -10
T40  Erik Hiljus                  -9
T40  Mike Smith                   -9
T40  Scott Cassidy                -9
T40  Travis Driskill              -9
T40  Brian Cooper                 -9
T40  Gary Glover                  -9
T40  Doug Creek                   -9
T40  Eric Milton                  -9
T40  Seth Greisinger              -9
T40  Jason Beverlin               -9
T40  Mac Suzuki                   -9

NL
1    Jose Cabrera                -33
2    Brandon Duckworth           -30
T3   Ryan Dempster               -28
T3   Ruben Quevedo               -28
5    Dennis Tankersley           -25
6    Julian Tavarez              -24
7    Mike Hampton                -22
8    Bobby Jones                 -21
T9   Travis Smith                -20
T9   Shawn Estes                 -20
T9   Jamey Wright                -20
12   Pedro Astacio               -19
T13  Brett Tomko                 -17
T13  Jimmy Anderson              -17
T13  Carl Pavano                 -17
T13  Glendon Rusch               -17
T13  Jeff D'Amico                -17
T13  Kyle Farnsworth             -17
T19  Bud Smith                   -16
T19  Kirk Saarloos               -16
T19  Victor Santos               -16
T19  Brian Tollberg              -16
T19  Eddie Oropesa               -16
T19  Robert Person               -16
T19  Jason Bere                  -16
T26  Steve Smyth                 -15
T26  Ron Villone                 -15
T26  Jose Santiago               -15
T29  Scott Sullivan              -14
T29  Livan Hernandez             -14
T31  Jeremy Fikac                -13
T31  Jason Boyd                  -13
T31  Ryan Jensen                 -13
T31  Terry Mulholland            -13
T35  Vic Darensbourg             -12
T35  Ben Diggins                 -12
T35  Jason Marquis               -12
T35  Sean Lowe                   -12
T39  Bruce Chen                  -11
T39  Nelson Figueroa             -11
T39  Joey Hamilton               -11
T42  Dave Mlicki                 -10
T42  Andrew Lorraine             -10
T42  Jeff Fassero                -10
T42  Rheal Cormier               -10
T42  Mark Corey                  -10
T42  Scott Chiasson              -10
T42  Brad Penny                  -10
T49  Kazuhisa Ishii               -9
T49  Terry Adams                  -9
T49  Randy Flores                 -9
T49  Jeff Williams                -9
T49  Shawn Chacon                 -9
T49  Tim Redding                  -9

[nyy26wc]

WORST RSAA LEADERS--LAST 3-10 YEARS

LAST 3 YEARS (SINCE 2000)
MAJORS--Jose Lima, -83
AL--Ryan Rupe, -65
NL--Ruben Quevedo, -61

Lima's -83 RSAA was the 3rd worst figure in history, behind Jamie Navarro's -89 (1997-99) and Elmer Myers's -84 (1916-18).

LAST 4 YEARS (SINCE 1999)
MAJORS--Bobby Jones RHP, -66
AL--Ryan Rupe, -61
NL--Bobby Jones RHP, -66

LAST 5 YEARS (SINCE 1998)
MAJORS--Jamie Navarro, -79
AL--Darren Oliver, -73
NL--Bobby Jones RHP, -64

It was the 3rd consecutive time Navarro led the majors. Navarro's -111 RSAA, from 1997-2001 set the major league record, breaking the mark of -110, by Leo Sweetland, from 1927-31 (even though Navarro only pitched in 1997-2000).

LAST 6 YEARS (SINCE 1997)
MAJORS--Jamie Navarro, -111
AL--Jamie Navarro, -94
NL--Ruben Quevedo/Brian Meadows, -61

It was the 5th consecutive time Navarro led the AL.

It was the 3rd consecutive time Meadows led the NL.

LAST 7 YEARS (SINCE 1996)
MAJORS--Jamie Navarro, -101
AL--Jamie Navarro, -94
NL--Bobby Jones RHP, -65

It was the 3rd time Navarro led the majors and the 5th consecutive time he led the AL.

LAST 8 YEARS (SINCE 1995)
MAJORS--Jason Bere, -115
AL--Jamie Navarro, -94
NL--Bobby Jones RHP, -70

It was the 4th consecutive time Navarro led the AL.

LAST 9 YEARS (SINCE 1994)
MAJORS--Jason Bere, -103
AL--Jamie Navarro, -109
NL--Mark Gardner/Kevin Jarvis, -70

It was the 5th consecutive time Navarro led the AL.

It was the 4th consecutive time Gardner led the NL.

LAST 10 YEARS (SINCE 1993)
MAJORS--Jamie Navarro, -120
AL--Jamie Navarro, -134
NL--Mark Gardner/Kevin Jarvis, -70

It was the 3rd consecutive time Navarro led the majors and the 4th consecutive time he led the AL.

It was the 4th consecutive time Gardner led the NL.

[poorme]

a player has to be pretty good to put up some of those numbers...

[hmrsf]

Originally posted by poorme
a player has to be pretty good to put up some of those numbers...

I think, Pepe (Gyb, I need a French accent thingie) would call them the cream of the crap!

[nyy26wc]

Originally posted by poorme
a player has to be pretty good to put up some of those numbers...

No he doesn't. A player has to be bad and in environment where either mediocrity isn't frowned upon or have a nice contract where the team would rather pay him and lose games than merely pay him and let his butt rot on the bench.

It's like saying a criminal has got to a pretty good guy to come up with some of his crimes. Neither comments make any sense.

[poorme]

you'd have to be pretty ignorant to say guys like haynes, baldwin, bere, mulholland, etc are among the worst pitchers out there. hell, i wouldn't mind having some of those guys on my team.

I admire anyone who can pitch a decade in the bigs and get 1500 innings. to compare them with someone like Andrew Lorraine (or a hundred other guys who've nibbled at the majors over the past few years) is absurd.

these stats are interesting as a curiosity.

[nyy26wc]

Originally posted by poorme
you'd have to be pretty ignorant to say guys like haynes, baldwin, bere, mulholland, etc are among the worst pitchers out there. hell, i wouldn't mind having some of those guys on my team.

If keeping runs off the scoreboard is a sign of ignorance, then ignorance wins pennants.

these stats are interesting as a curiosity.

If giving runs are a "curiosity", then last place must also just be a curiosity.

[gyb13]

call them the Sunk Cost All-Stars.


poorme - they're perceived to be good enough to hold a job, but among those holding jobs, they're the worst of the worst.

hmrsf - just for you: à á â ã ä å æ ç è é ê ë ì í î ï ñ ò ó ô õ ö ø ù ú û ü ý ÿ

[poorme]

well, yes, of those pitchers who pitch a lot of innings, you could say they are the worst.

many of these guys aren't sunk costs. i would say most of them are the year to year types. navarro was an obvious exception there - and yes, he IMO, was the worst pitcher of all time.

[gyb13]

excepting those players "being developed" (drese, quevedo), they represent mlb clubs' ignorance of the sunk costs principle.

ok, you've already paid a million to pat mahomes. he is stinking up the joint. there's no need to keep trotting him out there every 5 days. waive his sorry arse goodbye and try someone who could do better.