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Old 12-23-2002, 11:19 AM   #1
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Default Offseason stat package--Worst OUTS AVOIDED

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WORST CAREER OUTS AVOIDED OUTS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE 1 Tommy Corcoran -518 6709 6191 2 Bill Bergen -416 2624 2208 3 Everett Scott -411 4717 4306 4 Ozzie Guillen -376 5345 4969 5 Aurelio Rodriguez -349 5355 5006 6 Pete Suder -344 4096 3752 7 Germany Smith -343 4982 4639 8 Bones Ely -341 3946 3605 9 Alfredo Griffin -337 5499 5162 10 Tim Foli -319 4932 4613 11 Hal Lanier -318 3103 2785 T12 Ski Melillo -309 3946 3637 T12 Hughie Critz -309 4577 4268 14 Tommy Thevenow -303 3288 2985 15 Ed Brinkman -301 4998 4697 16 Eddie Miller -299 4284 3985 17 Joe Quinn -293 5147 4854 18 Frank White -285 6258 5973 T19 Malachi Kittridge -282 3247 2965 T19 Leo Durocher -282 4225 3943 21 George McBride -274 4567 4293 T22 Jim Hegan -270 3908 3638 T22 Rabbit Maranville -270 7887 7617 T24 Shano Collins -267 5044 4777 T24 Bill Kuehne -267 3288 3021 T24 Billy Sullivan -267 3012 2745 27 Granny Hamner -265 4592 4327 T28 Larry Bowa -264 6647 6383 T28 Mickey Doolan -264 4010 3746 30 Bob Kennedy -263 3717 3454 31 Lou Bierbauer -262 4223 3961 32 Doug Flynn -261 3130 2869 33 Garry Templeton -258 6024 5766 34 Skeeter Newsome -254 3018 2764 35 Rabbit Warstler -253 3329 3076 36 Joe DeMaestri -250 2790 2540 37 Rollie Hemsley -248 3899 3651 38 Benito Santiago -247 5025 4778 39 Hobe Ferris -246 3781 3535 40 Gary Gaetti -245 7108 6863 41 Jimmy Bloodworth -242 2834 2592 T42 Gary DiSarcina -241 3025 2784 T42 Shawon Dunston -241 4615 4374 T44 Howard Shanks -239 4585 4346 T44 Tony Pena -239 5205 4966 46 Bobby Wine -237 2678 2441 T47 Eric McNair -232 3430 3198 T47 Greg Gagne -232 4566 4334 T47 Royce Clayton -232 4156 3924 T47 Ken Reitz -232 3788 3556 51 Bill Mazeroski -228 6113 5885 52 Ivy Olson -227 4770 4543 53 Kid Gleason -226 4830 4604 T54 Jack Ryan -223 1760 1537 T54 Don Kolloway -223 3128 2905 56 Luis Aparicio -222 8110 7888 57 John Bateman -221 2754 2533 58 Jack O'Connor -216 4031 3815 T59 Luke Sewell -215 4179 3964 T59 Bill Cissell -215 2855 2640 T61 Frank O'Rourke -214 3266 3052 T61 Tony Armas -214 4094 3880 63 Rafael Ramirez -210 4358 4148 64 Red Dooin -209 3137 2928 65 Jerry Adair -206 3246 3040 66 Paul Casanova -205 2281 2076 T67 Tommy Dowd -204 4072 3868 T67 Enos Cabell -204 4633 4429 69 Rey Ordonez -202 2413 2211 T70 Doc Lavan -199 3134 2935 T70 Gee Walker -199 4998 4799 T72 Hod Ford -197 3773 3576 T72 Joe Dugan -197 4100 3903 T74 Omar Moreno -196 4047 3851 T74 Skeeter Webb -196 1886 1690 T76 Eddie Miksis -194 2494 2300 T76 Bill Russell -194 5818 5624 78 George Cutshaw -193 4468 4275 79 Jackie Hayes -192 3120 2928 T80 Lee Tannehill -190 3099 2909 T80 Johnnie LeMaster -190 2661 2471 T80 Craig Paquette -190 2067 1877 T80 Bill Hallman -190 4507 4317 T84 Phil Todt -187 2676 2489 T84 Julian Javier -187 4538 4351 86 Frank Taveras -186 3268 3082 87 Wally Gerber -183 4057 3874 T88 Jack Boyle -182 3201 3019 T88 Chick Galloway -182 2825 2643 90 Pat Meares -181 2624 2443 T91 Buck Weaver -180 3800 3620 T91 Virgil Stallcup -180 1633 1453 T91 Deivi Cruz -180 2311 2131 T94 Bobby Richardson -179 4230 4051 T94 Zoilo Versalles -179 4114 3935 T94 Don Zimmer -179 2685 2506 T94 Alex Gonzalez -179 3069 2890 T94 Charles Comiskey -179 4269 4090 T99 Billy Jurges -178 4980 4802 T99 Billy Shindle -178 4321 4143
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WORST SINGLE SEASON OUTS AVOIDED OUTS YEAR DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE 1 Jim Levey 1933 -66 441 375 T2 Joe Mulligan 1921 -61 508 447 T2 Harvey McClellan 1923 -61 468 407 4 Sam Dente 1950 -59 496 437 T5 Bill Bergen 1909 -57 314 257 T5 Pete Suder 1941 -57 435 378 T5 Tony Armas 1983 -57 489 432 T5 Skeeter Newsome 1936 -57 380 323 T5 Andres Thomas 1989 -57 461 404 10 Todd Cruz 1982 -56 422 366 T11 Jackie Hayes 1937 -55 463 408 T11 Virgil Stallcup 1948 -55 439 384 T13 Hughie Critz 1930 -53 505 452 T13 Bill Hallman 1901 -53 407 354 T15 Bill Bergen 1906 -52 309 257 T15 Billy Hunter 1953 -52 467 415 T15 Hal Lanier 1968 -52 425 373 T18 Freddie Maguire 1931 -51 411 360 T18 Gary DiSarcina 1997 -51 453 402 T18 Ozzie Smith 1979 -51 504 453 T21 Jim Levey 1931 -50 407 357 T21 Hal Lanier 1967 -50 446 396 T21 Tommy Helms 1970 -50 468 418 T21 Buck Weaver 1912 -50 421 371 T21 Ski Melillo 1934 -50 433 383 T21 Everett Scott 1924 -50 436 386 T21 Rob Picciolo 1977 -50 364 314 T28 Todd Cruz 1983 -49 384 335 T28 Doc Farrell 1928 -49 398 349 T30 Hughie Critz 1934 -48 467 419 T30 Freddie Maguire 1929 -48 397 349 T30 Hod Ford 1930 -48 349 301 T30 Art Scharein 1933 -48 393 345 T30 Mario Mendoza 1979 -48 329 281 T35 Cesar Izturis 2002 -47 371 324 T35 Everett Scott 1923 -47 425 378 T35 Skeeter Webb 1944 -47 424 377 T35 Bobby Tolan 1973 -47 398 351 T35 Ski Melillo 1930 -47 454 407 T35 Fred Raymer 1905 -47 403 356 T35 Pee Wee Wanninger 1925 -47 326 279 T35 Alex Gonzalez 2000 -47 323 276 T35 Leo Durocher 1937 -47 402 355 T35 Garry Templeton 1982 -47 470 423 T45 Vinny Castilla 2002 -46 446 400 T45 Ernie Johnson 1922 -46 494 448 T45 Neifi Perez 2002 -46 454 408 T45 John Gochnauer 1902 -46 383 337 T45 Eli Marrero 1999 -46 279 233 T45 Ski Melillo 1932 -46 479 433 T45 Marquis Grissom 2001 -46 368 322 T52 Hal Lanier 1965 -45 439 394 T52 Jo-Jo Morrissey 1933 -45 444 399 T52 Bones Ely 1901 -45 337 292 T52 Dave Kingman 1986 -45 469 424 T56 Joe DeMaestri 1954 -44 439 395 T56 Joe Dugan 1918 -44 348 304 T56 Eddie Zimmerman 1911 -44 356 312 T56 Everett Scott 1918 -44 371 327 T56 Burgess Whitehead 1941 -44 339 295 T56 Doug Flynn 1982 -44 386 342 T56 Hobe Ferris 1909 -44 451 407 T56 Gil Torres 1945 -44 462 418 T56 Granny Hamner 1949 -44 521 477 T56 Roy Schalk 1944 -44 500 456 T56 Mike Bordick 1997 -44 430 386 T56 Jimmy Bloodworth 1940 -44 379 335 T56 Billy Gardner 1956 -44 425 381 T56 Rabbit Warstler 1932 -44 321 277 T56 Jimmy Bloodworth 1943 -44 409 365 T71 Mike Caruso 1999 -43 429 386 T71 Herman Long 1901 -43 421 378 T71 Dave Philley 1950 -43 499 456 T71 Alfredo Griffin 1980 -43 533 490 T71 Hal Lanier 1970 -43 363 320 T71 Jim Busby 1952 -43 451 408 T71 Bill Bergen 1910 -43 227 184 T71 Bill Cissell 1931 -43 329 286 T71 Cookie Rojas 1968 -43 511 468 T71 Everett Scott 1921 -43 451 408 T71 Ozzie Guillen 1996 -43 402 359 T71 Bill Bergen 1901 -43 263 220 T71 Pete Suder 1943 -43 392 349 T71 Andujar Cedeno 1996 -43 286 243 T71 Ozzie Guillen 1989 -43 485 442 T71 Granny Hamner 1957 -43 424 381 T87 Mike Kreevich 1940 -42 474 432 T87 Coco Laboy 1970 -42 371 329 T87 Babe Pinelli 1925 -42 406 364 T87 Boze Berger 1938 -42 378 336 T87 Phil Todt 1927 -42 420 378 T87 Ed Brinkman 1966 -42 489 447 T87 Royce Clayton 2000 -42 432 390 T87 Barry Foote 1975 -42 327 285 T87 Bob Lillis 1963 -42 396 354 T87 Travis Jackson 1936 -42 379 337 T87 Virgil Stallcup 1949 -42 443 401 T87 George Bell 1993 -42 345 303 T87 Larry Bowa 1970 -42 440 398 T87 Dave Campbell 1970 -42 480 438
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2002 WORST OUTS AVOIDED LEADERS AL DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE 1 Neifi Perez -46 454 408 T2 Geronimo Gil -35 349 314 T2 Cristian Guzman -35 492 457 4 Chris Truby -32 236 204 5 Einar Diaz -31 276 245 6 Bengie Molina -30 350 320 7 Craig Paquette -29 214 185 8 Terrence Long -26 472 446 9 Brandon Inge -23 268 245 T10 Tony Clark -22 230 208 T10 Michael Young -22 463 441 T10 Brent Abernathy -22 373 351 T13 Jeff Cirillo -21 402 381 T13 Rondell White -21 365 344 15 Ken Huckaby -20 217 197 T16 Chris Magruder -19 213 194 T16 Toby Hall -19 265 246 T18 Vernon Wells -18 470 452 T18 Wendell Magee -18 272 254 T18 Luis Rivas -18 259 241 21 Travis Fryman -17 323 306 T22 Mike Bordick -15 303 288 T22 Chris Singleton -15 365 350 T22 Chuck Knoblauch -15 249 234 T25 Raul Mondesi -14 458 444 T25 Jolbert Cabrera -14 69 55 T25 Shane Halter -14 333 319 T25 Felipe Lopez -14 229 215 T29 Aaron Rowand -13 244 231 T29 Royce Clayton -13 275 262 T29 Darrin Fletcher -13 107 94 T29 Eddie Perez -13 100 87 T29 Jose Offerman -13 240 227 T29 Tony Batista -13 488 475 T29 Jason Tyner -13 138 125 T36 Marty Cordova -12 370 358 T36 Enrique Wilson -12 95 83 T36 Donnie Sadler -12 88 76 T36 Greg Vaughn -12 219 207 T36 Chris Gomez -12 359 347 T36 Mike Rivera -12 108 96 T36 Felix Escalona -12 131 119 T43 Dewayne Wise -11 92 81 T43 Brent Mayne -11 269 258 T43 Luis Lopez -11 89 78 T43 Gabe Kapler -11 160 149 T43 John Flaherty -11 222 211 T43 Josh Bard -11 77 66 T49 Aaron Guiel -10 198 188 T49 Milton Bradley -10 260 250 T49 Ron Coomer -10 119 109 T49 John McDonald -10 211 201 T49 Carl Crawford -10 204 194 T49 Ruben Sierra -10 325 315 T49 Joe Lawrence -10 131 121 T49 Willie Harris -10 133 123 T49 Russ Branyan -10 135 125 NL DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE 1 Cesar Izturis -47 371 324 2 Vinny Castilla -46 446 400 3 Juan Uribe -35 462 427 4 Aramis Ramirez -34 428 394 T5 Rey Ordonez -32 377 345 T5 Deivi Cruz -32 410 378 7 Jimmy Rollins -31 518 487 8 Ron Belliard -30 249 219 9 Corey Patterson -28 462 434 10 Brad Ausmus -27 370 343 11 Adrian Beltre -26 465 439 12 Jose Guillen -24 203 179 T13 Mike Benjamin -23 113 90 T13 Mark Grudzielanek -23 414 391 T15 Brent Butler -21 275 254 T15 Barry Larkin -21 413 392 T15 Reggie Taylor -21 236 215 T18 Joe Girardi -20 197 177 T18 Javier Lopez -20 286 266 T18 Rich Aurilia -20 427 407 T18 Fernando Tatis -20 317 297 T22 Joe McEwing -19 167 148 T22 Benito Santiago -19 376 357 T24 Orlando Cabrera -18 451 433 T24 Henry Blanco -18 190 172 T24 Juan Encarnacion -18 463 445 T24 Adrian Brown -18 178 160 T28 Doug Glanville -17 335 318 T28 Jeromy Burnitz -17 397 380 T28 Preston Wilson -17 419 402 T31 Aaron Boone -16 490 474 T31 Eric Owens -16 310 294 T31 Rafael Furcal -16 495 479 T31 Jack Wilson -16 421 405 T31 Chad Hermansen -16 199 183 36 Keith Lockhart -15 244 229 37 Marlon Anderson -14 423 409 T38 Alex Gonzalez -13 406 393 T38 Keith Osik -13 90 77 T38 Wilton Guerrero -13 121 108 T38 Jose Macias -13 187 174 T38 Julius Matos -13 151 138 T38 Terry Shumpert -13 198 185 T44 Trenidad Hubbard -12 112 100 T44 Charles Johnson -12 206 194 T44 Wes Helms -12 172 160 T44 Tony Womack -12 463 451 T44 Kevin Young -12 375 363 T44 Gary Bennett -12 229 217 T44 Tsuyoshi Shinjo -12 287 275 T44 Eric Young -12 394 382 T44 Jorge Fabregas -12 62 50
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WORST ACTIVE OUTS AVOIDED LEADERS OUTS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE 1 Benito Santiago -247 5025 4778 2 Shawon Dunston -241 4615 4374 3 Royce Clayton -232 4156 3924 4 Rey Ordonez -202 2413 2211 5 Craig Paquette -190 2067 1877 6 Deivi Cruz -180 2311 2131 7 Alex Gonzalez -179 3069 2890 (Cubs version) 8 Marquis Grissom -168 5419 5251 9 John Flaherty -167 2405 2238 10 Rey Sanchez -163 3287 3124 11 Joe Girardi -162 3277 3115 12 Mike Bordick -152 4365 4213 13 Mike Matheny -147 2005 1858 T14 Matt Williams -144 5304 5160 T14 Pat Borders -144 2418 2274 T16 Neifi Perez -140 2710 2570 T16 Mike Benjamin -140 1603 1463 18 Sandy Alomar Jr. -135 3058 2923 T19 Jorge Fabregas -132 1501 1369 T19 Ron Coomer -132 2261 2129
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WORST OUTS AVOIDANCE--LAST 3-10 YEARS

LAST 3 YEARS (SINCE 2000)
MAJORS--Vinny Castilla, -108
AL--Royce Clayton, -76
NL--Marquis Grissom, -89

It was the 3rd consecutive time Grissom led the NL.

LAST 4 YEARS (SINCE 1999)
MAJORS--Vinny Castilla, -119
AL--Cristian Guzman, -101
NL--Marquis Grissom, -109

It was the 2nd consecutive time Grissom led the NL.

LAST 5 YEARS (SINCE 1998)
MAJORS--Deivi Cruz, -139
AL--Deivi Cruz, -107
NL--Rey Ordonez, -135

It was the 2nd consecutive time Cruz led the AL.

It was the 4th consecutive time Ordonez led the NL.

LAST 6 YEARS (SINCE 1997)
MAJORS--Deivi Cruz, -180
AL--Deivi Cruz, -148
NL--Rey Ordonez, -175

It was the 2nd consecutive time Cruz led the AL.

It was the 4th consecutive time Ordonez led the NL. Ordonez's -175 OUTS AVOIDANCE was the worst in the NL since Doug Glynn's -178, from 1977-82 (Andres Thomas also had -175, from 1985-90).

LAST 7 YEARS (SINCE 1996)
MAJORS--Rey Ordonez, -202
AL--Deivi Cruz, -148
NL--Rey Ordonez, -202

It was the 2nd consecutive time Ordonez led the majors and the 4th consecutive time he led the NL. Ordonez's -202 OUTS AVOIDANCE was the worst in the NL since Doug Flynn's -207, from 1977-83.

LAST 8 YEARS (SINCE 1995)
MAJORS--Rey Ordonez, -202
AL--Alex Gonzalez, -158
NL--Rey Ordonez, -202

It was the 2nd consecutive time Gonzalez led the AL.

It was the 3rd consecutive time Ordonez led the NL. Ordonez's -202 OUTS AVOIDANCE was the worst in the NL since Doug Flynn's -224, from 1977-84.

LAST 9 YEARS (SINCE 1994)
MAJORS--Rey Ordonez, -202
AL--Alex Gonzalez, -166
NL--Rey Ordonez, -202

It was the 2nd consecutive time Ordonez led the NL. Ordonez's -202 OUTS AVOIDANCE was the worst in the NL since Doug Flynn's -225, from 1977-85.

LAST 10 YEARS (SINCE 1993)
MAJORS--Royce Clayton, -207
AL--Gary DiSarcina, -199
NL--Rey Ordonez, -202

It was the 4th consecutive time DiSarcina led the AL.

It was the 2nd consecutive time Ordonez led the NL.
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This is an interesting stat - like most pitcher losses, or career GIDP totals, it's a negative stat, but the leaders have to be players who get lots of playing time. If you look at just the last three years, they are players most NDF'ers would agree do not deserve the playing time they get. But the all time leaders are a weirder story. You have to have a long career to rack up a high outs total.
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This is an interesting stat - like most pitcher losses, or career GIDP totals, it's a negative stat, but the leaders have to be players who get lots of playing time. If you look at just the last three years, they are players most NDF'ers would agree do not deserve the playing time they get. But the all time leaders are a weirder story. You have to have a long career to rack up a high outs total.


There is a big difference between a bad figure in this stat and a high L or GIDP total. You can run up a high L or GIDP total just by getting a lot of playing time.

But, in order to run up a high bad OA figure, you need to be lousy. Just getting a lot of playing time isn't going to do it.

In fact, if you're not lousy, getting a lot of playing time is going to sabotage your chances of being on the negative list. If you're good at avoiding outs, the playing time is going to help you run up a positive figure.
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WORST ACTIVE OUTS AVOIDED LEADERS OUTS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE 1 Benito Santiago -247 5025 4778 2 Shawon Dunston -241 4615 4374 3 Royce Clayton -232 4156 3924 8 Marquis Grissom -168 5419 5251 10 Rey Sanchez -163 3287 3124 T14 Matt Williams -144 5304 5160 T16 Neifi Perez -140 2710 2570 T16 Mike Benjamin -140 1603 1463
that's a lot of Giants, past and present... maybe it's an organizational enfatuation with the 'proven veteran'?
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