Offseason stat package--OUTS AVOIDED

nyy26wc · 12-22-2002, 11:09 AM

Definition--OUTS AVOIDED is the league average for outs minus the player's outs total. NOrmally, the league averages are computed prorated to the amount of outs the player made, but for the sake stat, that comparision won't work. So, the league average is computed based on the number of PA.

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CAREER OUT AVOIDED LEADERS

OUTS                            DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE   
1    Ted Williams               1410     5291     6701   
2    Babe Ruth                  1285     5759     7044   
3    Ty Cobb                    1124     7753     8877   
4    Stan Musial                1064     7704     8768   
5    Barry Bonds                1009     6230     7239   
6    Mickey Mantle              1005     5899     6904   
7    Tris Speaker                986     7120     8106   
8    Wade Boggs                  942     6566     7508   
9    Mel Ott                     902     6773     7675   
10   Rogers Hornsby              857     5526     6383   
11   Lou Gehrig                  841     5489     6330   
T12  Pete Rose                   835    10328    11163   
T12  Eddie Collins               835     7320     8155   
14   Rickey Henderson            811     8453     9264   
15   Billy Hamilton              807     4157     4964   
16   Joe Morgan                  783     7174     7957   
17   Carl Yastrzemski            758     9126     9884   
18   Dan Brouthers               740     4435     5175   
T19  Frank Robinson              737     7528     8265   
T19  Cap Anson                   737     6140     6877   
21   Frank Thomas                731     4459     5190   
22   Honus Wagner                723     7259     7982   
23   Jesse Burkett               713     5661     6374   
24   Willie Mays                 688     8056     8744   
25   Edgar Martinez              686     4521     5207   
26   Jimmie Foxx                 682     5700     6382   
27   Hank Aaron                  642     9136     9778   
28   Paul Waner                  636     6609     7245   
29   Richie Ashburn              624     6096     6720   
30   Roger Connor                620     5336     5956   
31   Rod Carew                   613     6857     7470   
T32  Arky Vaughan                581     4711     5292   
T32  Jeff Bagwell                581     4898     5479   
34   Tim Raines                  576     6670     7246   
35   Eddie Mathews               575     6478     7053   
36   Mike Schmidt                570     6490     7060   
37   Nap Lajoie                  558     6589     7147   
38   Willie McCovey              551     6259     6810   
39   Stan Hack                   548     5278     5826   
40   John McGraw                 547     2662     3209   
41   Roy Thomas                  540     3925     4465   
42   Ed Delahanty                538     4962     5500   
T43  John Olerud                 528     4822     5350   
T43  Al Kaline                   528     7594     8122   
45   George Brett                525     7673     8198   
46   Mark McGwire                523     4797     5320   
47   Harmon Killebrew            521     6399     6920   
48   Keith Hernandez             514     5493     6007   
T49  Will Clark                  503     5259     5762   
T49  Harry Heilmann              503     5468     5971   
T51  Eddie Yost                  499     5798     6297   
T51  Ken Singleton               499     5533     6032   
53   Dwight Evans                495     6965     7460   
54   Jim Thome                   489     3452     3941   
55   Mark Grace                  488     5855     6343   
56   Johnny Mize                 484     4553     5037   
57   Tony Gwynn                  481     6662     7143   
58   Joe Jackson                 479     3399     3878   
59   Mike Hargrove               478     4252     4730   
60   Fred McGriff                475     6314     6789   
61   Paul Molitor                467     8040     8507   
62   Charlie Gehringer           463     6278     6741   
63   Darrell Evans               462     7075     7537   
64   George Gore                 460     3745     4205   
65   Rafael Palmeiro             457     6710     7167   
66   Fred Clarke                 453     6118     6571   
67   Norm Cash                   450     5126     5576   
68   Billy Williams              445     6969     7414   
T69  Joe Kelley                  443     4926     5369   
T69  Pete Browning               443     3174     3617   
71   Gary Sheffield              442     4653     5095   
T72  Luke Appling                441     6419     6860   
T72  Brian Downing               441     6125     6566   
T74  Sam Crawford                432     6882     7314   
T74  Jack Clark                  432     5348     5780   
T74  Willie Keeler               432     6025     6457   
77   Enos Slaughter              429     5800     6229   
78   Cupid Childs                423     3988     4411   
T79  Eddie Murray                418     8570     8988   
T79  Augie Galan                 418     4373     4791   
81   Elmer Flick                 417     3963     4380   
T82  Willie Stargell             414     5938     6352   
T82  Larry Walker                414     4283     4697   
84   Rusty Staub                 410     7509     7919   
85   Reggie Jackson              409     7659     8068   
T86  Lou Whitaker                407     6599     7006   
T86  Craig Biggio                407     6021     6428   
T88  Topsy Hartsel               399     3604     4003   
T88  Dick Allen                  399     4772     5171   
90   Eddie Stanky                394     3322     3716   
91   Willie Randolph             389     6283     6672   
92   Gene Tenace                 388     3509     3897   
93   Max Bishop                  384     3426     3810   
T94  Jason Giambi                383     2901     3284   
T94  Joe DiMaggio                383     4760     5143   
T94  Dolph Camilli               383     3976     4359   
T97  Tony Phillips               380     5967     6347   
T97  Ralph Kiner                 380     3898     4278   
99   King Kelly                  379     4081     4460   
100  Roy Cullenbine              373     2932     3305

nyy26wc · 12-22-2002, 11:12 AM

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CAREER OUTS AVOIDED LEADERS

OUTS                            DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE   
1    Barry Bonds                1009     6230     7239   
2    Rickey Henderson            811     8453     9264   
3    Frank Thomas                731     4459     5190   
4    Edgar Martinez              686     4521     5207   
5    Jeff Bagwell                581     4898     5479   
6    John Olerud                 528     4822     5350   
7    Jim Thome                   489     3452     3941   
8    Mark Grace                  488     5855     6343   
9    Fred McGriff                475     6314     6789   
10   Rafael Palmeiro             457     6710     7167   
11   Gary Sheffield              442     4653     5095   
12   Larry Walker                414     4283     4697   
13   Craig Biggio                407     6021     6428   
14   Jason Giambi                383     2901     3284   
15   Manny Ramirez               370     3230     3600   
16   Ken Griffey Jr.             368     5149     5517   
17   Tim Salmon                  355     3755     4110   
18   Chipper Jones               332     3387     3719   
19   Bernie Williams             328     4415     4743   
20   David Justice               321     4256     4577

nyy26wc · 12-22-2002, 11:13 AM

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2002 OUTS AVOIDED LEADERS

AL                              DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE   
1    Jim Thome                    80      347      427   
2    Jason Giambi                 71      409      480   
3    Manny Ramirez                63      298      361   
4    Carlos Delgado               57      381      438   
5    Bernie Williams              55      432      487   
T6   Rafael Palmeiro              48      414      462   
T6   John Olerud                  48      418      466   
T8   Alex Rodriguez               46      459      505   
T8   Mike Sweeney                 46      334      380   
10   Ichiro Suzuki                37      470      507   
11   Tim Salmon                   35      361      396   
12   Edgar Martinez               34      250      284   
13   Derek Jeter                  33      476      509   
14   Scott Hatteberg              32      364      396   
15   Bobby Kielty                 31      212      243   
T16  Eric Hinske                  27      426      453   
T16  Frank Thomas                 27      411      438   
18   Johnny Damon                 26      463      489   
T19  Magglio Ordonez              25      430      455   
T19  Doug Mientkiewicz            25      361      386   
T19  Shannon Stewart              25      422      447   
22   Carlos Lee                   23      378      401   
23   Robin Ventura                22      370      392   
T24  Ray Durham                   21      438      459   
T24  David Justice                21      307      328   
T24  Randy Winn                   21      449      470   
27   Scott Spiezio                19      379      398   
T28  Eric Chavez                  18      437      455   
T28  Paul Konerko                 18      421      439   
T28  Troy Glaus                   18      450      468   
T31  David Eckstein               17      472      489   
T31  Ellis Burks                  17      380      397   
T31  Jorge Posada                 17      400      417   
T31  Mark McLemore                17      267      284   
35   Brad Fullmer                 16      318      334   
T36  Nomar Garciaparra            15      468      483   
T36  Mark Ellis                   15      267      282   
38   Miguel Tejada                13      485      498   
T39  Corey Koskie                 12      389      401   
T39  Jeremy Giambi                12      118      130   
T39  Aubrey Huff                  12      332      344   
T39  Brian Daubach                12      341      353   
T39  Trot Nixon                   12      415      427   
T44  Carlos Beltran               11      492      503   
T44  Ben Grieve                   11      380      391   
T44  Adam Kennedy                 11      344      355   
T47  Mike Lamb                    10      237      247   
T47  Josh Phelps                  10      190      200   
T47  David Ortiz                  10      315      325   
T47  Rickey Henderson             10      145      155   

NL                              DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE   
1    Barry Bonds                 161      262      423   
2    Brian Giles                  75      370      445   
3    Todd Helton                  69      392      461   
4    Chipper Jones                64      394      458   
T5   Lance Berkman                52      426      478   
T5   Jim Edmonds                  52      346      398   
T7   Larry Walker                 49      333      382   
T7   Bobby Abreu                  49      425      474   
9    Sammy Sosa                   46      414      460   
10   Jeff Bagwell                 45      433      478   
T11  Adam Dunn                    44      423      467   
T11  Luis Gonzalez                44      394      438   
13   Edgardo Alfonzo              41      347      388   
14   Ryan Klesko                  40      392      432   
T15  Gary Sheffield               37      363      400   
T15  Vladimir Guerrero            37      453      490   
T17  Junior Spivey                34      399      433   
T17  Albert Pujols                34      433      467   
19   Cliff Floyd                  31      259      290   
T20  Pat Burrell                  30      443      473   
T20  Jose Vidro                   30      441      471   
22   Austin Kearns                29      272      301   
23   Derrek Lee                   25      451      476   
24   Jeremy Giambi                24      121      145   
25   Mark Bellhorn                23      343      366   
T26  Brad Wilkerson               22      395      417   
T26  Erubiel Durazo               22      169      191   
T26  Shawn Green                  22      452      474   
T29  Steve Finley                 21      378      399   
T29  Andruw Jones                 21      435      456   
T31  Jeff Kent                    19      452      471   
T31  Richie Sexson                19      432      451   
T33  Geoff Blum                   16      275      291   
T33  Todd Pratt                   16       78       94   
35   Matt Franco                  15      146      161   
T36  Luis Castillo                14      448      462   
T36  Todd Walker                  14      453      467   
T38  Mark Loretta                 13      214      227   
T38  J.D. Drew                    13      330      343   
T38  Mark Kotsay                  13      434      447   
T38  Alex Cora                    13      190      203   
42   Quinton McCracken            12      265      277   
T43  Mike Redmond                 11      189      200   
T43  Fred McGriff                 11      400      411   
T43  Kevin Millar                 11      327      338   
T46  Troy O'Leary                 10      207      217   
T46  Mark Grace                   10      231      241   
T48  Mike Kinkade                  8       33       41   
T48  Dave Roberts                  8      323      331   
T48  Greg Colbrunn                 8      120      128

It was the 8th time Bonds led the NL. He also led in 1991-93, 1995-97 and 2001.

nyy26wc · 12-22-2002, 11:13 AM

OUTS AVOIDED LEADERS--LAST 3-10 YEARS

LAST 3 YEARS (SINCE 2000)
MAJORS--Barry Bonds, 351
AL--Jason Giambi, 265
NL--Barry Bonds, 351

It was the 2nd time Bonds led the majors and the 2nd consecutive time and 9th time he led the NL.

Bonds's 351 OUTS AVOIDED broke the major league record of 335, by Ted Williams, from 1946-48. The NL record was 248, by Arky Vaughan, from 1934-36.

It was the 2nd consecutive time Giambi led the AL.

LAST 4 YEARS (SINCE 1999)
MAJORS--Barry Bonds, 373
AL--Jason Giambi, 326
NL--Barry Bonds, 373

It was the 2nd consecutive time and 9th time Bonds led the NL.

Bonds's 373 OUTS AVOIDED broke the NL record of 301, by Rogers Hornsby, from 1922-25.

It was the 2nd consecutive time Giambi led the AL.

LAST 5 YEARS (SINCE 1998)
MAJORS--Barry Bonds, 435
AL--Jason Giambi, 355
NL--Barry Bonds, 435

It was the 2nd consecutive time and 3rd time Bonds led the majors and the 2nd consecutive time and 9th time he led the NL.

Bonds's 435 OUTS AVOIDED broke the NL record of 374, by Rogers Hornsby, from 1921-25.

LAST 6 YEARS (SINCE 1997)
MAJORS--Barry Bonds, 508
AL--Jason Giambi, 373
NL--Barry Bonds, 508

It was the 2nd consecutive time and 3rd time Bonds led the majors and the 3rd consecutive time and 9th time he led the NL.

Bonds's 508 OUTS AVOIDED broke the NL record of 442, by Rogers Hornsby, from 1920-25.

LAST 7 YEARS (SINCE 1996)
MAJORS--Barry Bonds, 592
AL--Jim Thome, 428
NL--Barry Bonds, 592

It was the 2nd consecutive time and 3rd time Bonds led the majors and the 10th consecutive time he led the NL. Bonds became the 7th player to lead his league at least 10 times, joining Ted Williams (16), Babe Ruth and Stan Musial (12) and Ty Cobb, Mickey Mantle and Rogers Hornsby (11) (they each did it consecutively).

Bonds's 592 OUTS AVOIDED ranked 2nd all time, behind Wade Boggs's 602, from 1983-89. Bonds broke his own NL record of 487, from 1995-2001. Prior to Bonds, the record was 483, by Stan Musial, from 1948-54.

LAST 8 YEARS (SINCE 1995)
MAJORS--Barry Bonds, 648
AL--Edgar Martinez, 517
NL--Barry Bonds, 648

It was the 2nd consecutive time Bonds led the majors and the 10th consecutive time he led the NL. Bonds became the 9th player to lead his league at least 10 times, joining Ted Williams (17 consecutive), Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth and Rogers Hornsby (12 consecutive), Stan Musial (11 consecutive), Mickey Mantle and Wade Boggs (10 consecutive) and Mel Ott (10 times--twice 5 consecutive).

Bonds's 648 OUTS AVOIDED broke the NL record of 545, by Rogers Hornsby, from 1921-28.

It was the 2nd consecutive time Martinez led the AL.

LAST 9 YEARS (SINCE 1994)
MAJORS--Barry Bonds, 691
AL--Edgar Martinez, 540
NL--Barry Bonds, 691

It was the 2nd consecutive time and 3rd time Bonds led the majors and the 10th consecutive time he led the NL. Bonds became the 8th player to lead his league at least 10 times, joining Ted Williams (16 consecutive), Stan Musial (12 consecutive), Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle and Rogers Hornsby (11 consecutive), Wade Boggs (10 consecutive) and Ty Cobb (10 times--8 consecutive).

Bonds's 691 OUTS AVOIDED broke the NL record of 613, by Rogers Hornsby, from 1920-28.

It was the 2nd consecutive time Martinez led the AL.

LAST 10 YEARS (SINCE 1993)
MAJORS--Barry Bonds, 771
AL--Edgar Martinez, 546
NL--Barry Bonds, 771

It was the 2nd consecutive time and 4th time Bonds led the majors and the 10th consecutive time he led the NL. Bonds became the 8th player to lead his league at least 10 times, joining Ted Williams (16), Babe Ruth, Rogers Hornsby and Stan Musial (12) and Mickey Mantle, Wade Boggs and Mel Ott (10) (they each did it consecutively).

The only player with higher figures than Bonds was Babe Ruth--6 times, record of 828, from 1919-28. Bonds broke his own NL record of 693, from 1992-2001. Prior to Bonds, the record was 675, by Rogers Hornsby, from 1920-29.

Max Power · 12-22-2002, 11:25 AM

I would have to think that, the better a player's OA, the better his OWP - - without even looking.

How about a team? Any way to study a team's hitter's OA and pitcher's negative OA and a team's actual record?

nyy26wc · 12-22-2002, 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by Max Power
I would have to think that, the better a player's OA, the better his OWP - - without even looking.

There would be good correlation between OA and OWP, but not an automatic one. OA mixes quality with quantity, while OWP is strictly a rate stat. Meanwhile, OWP also takes power into account, while OA is strictly an on base stat.

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How about a team? Any way to study a team's hitter's OA and pitcher's negative OA and a team's actual record?

At the team level, OA would coordinate almost perfectily with OBA. And since there's a great relationship between OBA and runs, the same thing could be said about OA.

hmrsf · 12-22-2002, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by nyy26wc
Definition--OUTS AVOIDED is the league average for outs minus the player's outs total. NOrmally, the league averages are computed prorated to the amount of outs the player made, but for the sake stat, that comparision won't work. So, the league average is computed based on the number of PA.

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CAREER OUT AVOIDED LEADERS OUTS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE 1 Ted Williams 1410 5291 6701 2 Babe Ruth 1285 5759 7044 3 Ty Cobb 1124 7753 8877 4 Stan Musial 1064 7704 8768 5 Barry Bonds 1009 6230 7239 6 Mickey Mantle 1005 5899 6904 7 Tris Speaker 986 7120 8106 8 Wade Boggs 942 6566 7508 9 Mel Ott 902 6773 7675 10 Rogers Hornsby 857 5526 6383 11 Lou Gehrig 841 5489 6330 T12 Pete Rose 835 10328 11163 T12 Eddie Collins 835 7320 8155 14 Rickey Henderson 811 8453 9264 15 Billy Hamilton 807 4157 4964 16 Joe Morgan 783 7174 7957 17 Carl Yastrzemski 758 9126 9884 18 Dan Brouthers 740 4435 5175 T19 Frank Robinson 737 7528 8265 T19 Cap Anson 737 6140 6877 21 Frank Thomas 731 4459 5190 22 Honus Wagner 723 7259 7982 23 Jesse Burkett 713 5661 6374 24 Willie Mays 688 8056 8744 25 Edgar Martinez 686 4521 5207 26 Jimmie Foxx 682 5700 6382 27 Hank Aaron 642 9136 9778 28 Paul Waner 636 6609 7245 29 Richie Ashburn 624 6096 6720 30 Roger Connor 620 5336 5956 31 Rod Carew 613 6857 7470 T32 Arky Vaughan 581 4711 5292 T32 Jeff Bagwell 581 4898 5479 34 Tim Raines 576 6670 7246 35 Eddie Mathews 575 6478 7053 36 Mike Schmidt 570 6490 7060 37 Nap Lajoie 558 6589 7147 38 Willie McCovey 551 6259 6810 39 Stan Hack 548 5278 5826 40 John McGraw 547 2662 3209 41 Roy Thomas 540 3925 4465 42 Ed Delahanty 538 4962 5500 T43 John Olerud 528 4822 5350 T43 Al Kaline 528 7594 8122 45 George Brett 525 7673 8198 46 Mark McGwire 523 4797 5320 47 Harmon Killebrew 521 6399 6920 53 Dwight Evans 495 6965 7460 48 Keith Hernandez 514 5493 6007 T49 Will Clark 503 5259 5762 T49 Harry Heilmann 503 5468 5971 T51 Eddie Yost 499 5798 6297 T51 Ken Singleton 499 5533 6032 54 Jim Thome 489 3452 3941 55 Mark Grace 488 5855 6343 56 Johnny Mize 484 4553 5037 57 Tony Gwynn 481 6662 7143 58 Joe Jackson 479 3399 3878 59 Mike Hargrove 478 4252 4730 60 Fred McGriff 475 6314 6789 61 Paul Molitor 467 8040 8507 62 Charlie Gehringer 463 6278 6741 63 Darrell Evans 462 7075 7537 64 George Gore 460 3745 4205 65 Rafael Palmeiro 457 6710 7167 66 Fred Clarke 453 6118 6571 67 Norm Cash 450 5126 5576 68 Billy Williams 445 6969 7414 T69 Joe Kelley 443 4926 5369 T69 Pete Browning 443 3174 3617 71 Gary Sheffield 442 4653 5095 T72 Luke Appling 441 6419 6860 T72 Brian Downing 441 6125 6566 T74 Sam Crawford 432 6882 7314 T74 Jack Clark 432 5348 5780 T74 Willie Keeler 432 6025 6457 77 Enos Slaughter 429 5800 6229 78 Cupid Childs 423 3988 4411 T79 Eddie Murray 418 8570 8988 T79 Augie Galan 418 4373 4791 81 Elmer Flick 417 3963 4380 T82 Willie Stargell 414 5938 6352 T82 Larry Walker 414 4283 4697 84 Rusty Staub 410 7509 7919 85 Reggie Jackson 409 7659 8068 T86 Lou Whitaker 407 6599 7006 T86 Craig Biggio 407 6021 6428 T88 Topsy Hartsel 399 3604 4003 T88 Dick Allen 399 4772 5171 90 Eddie Stanky 394 3322 3716 91 Willie Randolph 389 6283 6672 92 Gene Tenace 388 3509 3897 93 Max Bishop 384 3426 3810 T94 Jason Giambi 383 2901 3284 T94 Joe DiMaggio 383 4760 5143 T94 Dolph Camilli 383 3976 4359 T97 Tony Phillips 380 5967 6347 T97 Ralph Kiner 380 3898 4278 99 King Kelly 379 4081 4460 100 Roy Cullenbine 373 2932 3305

53 Dwight Evans 495 6965 7460

Look who keeps appearing on these handy dandy Lee lists! My faovite nonHOFer! Runs are precoius in the game of baseball, but outs are equally as important. Advoiding outs, makes you the master of the game. To think that only 53 men have done it better than Dewey blows me away. Add that to 8 gold gloves and the dominance of the right field corner in one of the toughest parks in the leauge........you have a HOF.

Boys and girls, it is time to retire 24 in Fenway for Dewey.

Max Power · 12-22-2002, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by nyy26wc
There would be good correlation between OA and OWP, but not an automatic one. OA mixes quality with quantity, while OWP is strictly a rate stat. Meanwhile, OWP also takes power into account, while OA is strictly an on base stat.

At the team level, OA would coordinate almost perfectily with OBA. And since there's a great relationship between OBA and runs, the same thing could be said about OA.

Makes sense - - the better you are at not burning your 27 outs, the better the chance that you will never lose...........

satchel · 12-23-2002, 03:05 PM

Lee - does an individual's outs avoided in a season tell you anything that their OBP doesn't tell you? I can see that it's a counting stat rather than an average, so it gives you a more absolute measure (i.e., a guy who played 150 games with a .380 OBP avoided more outs than a guy who player 20 games with a .450 OBP). Is that the only difference?

nyy26wc · 12-23-2002, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by satchel
Lee - does an individual's outs avoided in a season tell you anything that their OBP doesn't tell you? I can see that it's a counting stat rather than an average, so it gives you a more absolute measure (i.e., a guy who played 150 games with a .380 OBP avoided more outs than a guy who player 20 games with a .450 OBP). Is that the only difference?

That is the only difference.

The other difference is I constantly give players OBA figures and have no plans to make OA be a part of the standard player comment.

12-22-2002, 11:13 AM	#4
nyy26wc NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 14,584	OUTS AVOIDED LEADERS--LAST 3-10 YEARS LAST 3 YEARS (SINCE 2000) MAJORS--Barry Bonds, 351 AL--Jason Giambi, 265 NL--Barry Bonds, 351 It was the 2nd time Bonds led the majors and the 2nd consecutive time and 9th time he led the NL. Bonds's 351 OUTS AVOIDED broke the major league record of 335, by Ted Williams, from 1946-48. The NL record was 248, by Arky Vaughan, from 1934-36. It was the 2nd consecutive time Giambi led the AL. LAST 4 YEARS (SINCE 1999) MAJORS--Barry Bonds, 373 AL--Jason Giambi, 326 NL--Barry Bonds, 373 It was the 2nd consecutive time and 9th time Bonds led the NL. Bonds's 373 OUTS AVOIDED broke the NL record of 301, by Rogers Hornsby, from 1922-25. It was the 2nd consecutive time Giambi led the AL. LAST 5 YEARS (SINCE 1998) MAJORS--Barry Bonds, 435 AL--Jason Giambi, 355 NL--Barry Bonds, 435 It was the 2nd consecutive time and 3rd time Bonds led the majors and the 2nd consecutive time and 9th time he led the NL. Bonds's 435 OUTS AVOIDED broke the NL record of 374, by Rogers Hornsby, from 1921-25. LAST 6 YEARS (SINCE 1997) MAJORS--Barry Bonds, 508 AL--Jason Giambi, 373 NL--Barry Bonds, 508 It was the 2nd consecutive time and 3rd time Bonds led the majors and the 3rd consecutive time and 9th time he led the NL. Bonds's 508 OUTS AVOIDED broke the NL record of 442, by Rogers Hornsby, from 1920-25. LAST 7 YEARS (SINCE 1996) MAJORS--Barry Bonds, 592 AL--Jim Thome, 428 NL--Barry Bonds, 592 It was the 2nd consecutive time and 3rd time Bonds led the majors and the 10th consecutive time he led the NL. Bonds became the 7th player to lead his league at least 10 times, joining Ted Williams (16), Babe Ruth and Stan Musial (12) and Ty Cobb, Mickey Mantle and Rogers Hornsby (11) (they each did it consecutively). Bonds's 592 OUTS AVOIDED ranked 2nd all time, behind Wade Boggs's 602, from 1983-89. Bonds broke his own NL record of 487, from 1995-2001. Prior to Bonds, the record was 483, by Stan Musial, from 1948-54. LAST 8 YEARS (SINCE 1995) MAJORS--Barry Bonds, 648 AL--Edgar Martinez, 517 NL--Barry Bonds, 648 It was the 2nd consecutive time Bonds led the majors and the 10th consecutive time he led the NL. Bonds became the 9th player to lead his league at least 10 times, joining Ted Williams (17 consecutive), Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth and Rogers Hornsby (12 consecutive), Stan Musial (11 consecutive), Mickey Mantle and Wade Boggs (10 consecutive) and Mel Ott (10 times--twice 5 consecutive). Bonds's 648 OUTS AVOIDED broke the NL record of 545, by Rogers Hornsby, from 1921-28. It was the 2nd consecutive time Martinez led the AL. LAST 9 YEARS (SINCE 1994) MAJORS--Barry Bonds, 691 AL--Edgar Martinez, 540 NL--Barry Bonds, 691 It was the 2nd consecutive time and 3rd time Bonds led the majors and the 10th consecutive time he led the NL. Bonds became the 8th player to lead his league at least 10 times, joining Ted Williams (16 consecutive), Stan Musial (12 consecutive), Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle and Rogers Hornsby (11 consecutive), Wade Boggs (10 consecutive) and Ty Cobb (10 times--8 consecutive). Bonds's 691 OUTS AVOIDED broke the NL record of 613, by Rogers Hornsby, from 1920-28. It was the 2nd consecutive time Martinez led the AL. LAST 10 YEARS (SINCE 1993) MAJORS--Barry Bonds, 771 AL--Edgar Martinez, 546 NL--Barry Bonds, 771 It was the 2nd consecutive time and 4th time Bonds led the majors and the 10th consecutive time he led the NL. Bonds became the 8th player to lead his league at least 10 times, joining Ted Williams (16), Babe Ruth, Rogers Hornsby and Stan Musial (12) and Mickey Mantle, Wade Boggs and Mel Ott (10) (they each did it consecutively). The only player with higher figures than Bonds was Babe Ruth--6 times, record of 828, from 1919-28. Bonds broke his own NL record of 693, from 1992-2001. Prior to Bonds, the record was 675, by Rogers Hornsby, from 1920-29. __________________ Lee Creator, Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. It's powerful, yet extremely easy to use. Features extensive sorting and stat display options. The CBE has many features that are not available in online and printed sources. Has 2006 stats and daily update service for 2007.

12-22-2002, 11:25 AM	#5
Max Power NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: May 2002 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 5,548	I would have to think that, the better a player's OA, the better his OWP - - without even looking. How about a team? Any way to study a team's hitter's OA and pitcher's negative OA and a team's actual record? __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator "They come and they go, Hobbs. They come and they go." That's why there's NetShrine.com

12-23-2002, 03:05 PM	#9
satchel NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 2,601	Lee - does an individual's outs avoided in a season tell you anything that their OBP doesn't tell you? I can see that it's a counting stat rather than an average, so it gives you a more absolute measure (i.e., a guy who played 150 games with a .380 OBP avoided more outs than a guy who player 20 games with a .450 OBP). Is that the only difference? __________________ Rare mold, old vomit - An anagram rejected by Tom Riddle

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