Scenarios and MLB Logic

cubfan33 · 09-10-2003, 02:42 PM

Great frickin' article by the incomparable Christian Ruzich.

http://premium.baseballprospectus.co...articleid=2293

Yes, it's a BP Free Article.

hmrsf · 09-10-2003, 02:59 PM

Should have swept them damn Yankee.

Craig S. · 09-10-2003, 02:59 PM

If only MLB could explain it that easily.

gyb13 · 09-10-2003, 03:15 PM

if we do have crazy playoff matchups, i wonder whether they could end up making the difference in the determination of mvp and cya awards...

KCBOOMER · 09-10-2003, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gyb13

if we do have crazy playoff matchups, i wonder whether they could end up making the difference in the determination of mvp and cya awards...

If they have to have tie-breaker games those count toward regular season marks so I guess the answer is I guess.

Aren't the ballots for the various awards expected to be post marked on or by the last day of the regularly scheduled season?

clemente21 · 09-10-2003, 03:48 PM

AL East:

Quote:

If the Yankees and Red Sox finish tied, and with a better record than the Mariners, there would be no playoff, as both teams would make the postseason. The division title would go to the team who won the head-to-head season series, while the other team would be the Wild Card entry.

NL Central:

Quote:

If the three Central teams end up with a better record than the Phillies, they'd play the same two-game tournament, but the loser of the second game (Cubs vs. the winner of Astros/Cardinals) would be the Wild Card entry.

This seems inconsistent. Why do they have to play the second game in the NL Central example? You have two teams left and two slots, so the team with the better head-to-head record would be the Division winner and the winner between the other two teams is the wild card entry.

I personally want the example where there's a 5-way tie between the three NL east teams, the Phillies, and the Expos. In this case, an NL East team could win a game (division A vs. B), lose a game (vs. C), then win two more to make the playoffs as a wild card. Even better, as the road team in four different cities in four straight days!

gyb13 · 09-10-2003, 03:51 PM

it's not inconsistent. you're comparing a tie between TWO teams in the AL east with a tie among THREE teams in the NL central

Craig S. · 09-10-2003, 04:02 PM

They have to play the second game in the NL Central scenario, otherwise the Cubs would win the division based only on their divisional record. If that was the case, then why not give the team with the second-best divisional record the wildcard? That doesn't seem fair.

I think each team has to earn that top spot on the field.

SmedIndy · 09-10-2003, 04:08 PM

They seem to bending over backwards to avoid the disqualification of someone who tied for a division lead and also tied for the wild card to be eliminated based on a single playoff game. Which is the right thing to do, but 50 years from now it will look kind of funny in the record books.

cubfan33 · 09-10-2003, 04:15 PM

KC - note that MLB has changed the rules (without telling anyone - shocker, eh?) and that tiebreaker playoff games are NOT considered regular season. Christian makes note of this in a couple spots.

SmedIndy · 09-10-2003, 04:19 PM

In the past they were, so it was easy to assume this. What the heck category will they go in now? It's not "post season", is it? Or is it?

sweaver · 09-10-2003, 05:03 PM

I think that would be pre-post-season. Or something.

Actually, if I am remembering correctly, the playdown games would count in stats, but not in the records for the regular seasons. Yes? No?

Gosfgiants · 09-10-2003, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sweaver

I think that would be pre-post-season. Or something.

I had the exact same thought.

cubfan33 · 09-10-2003, 11:25 PM

They count neither in stats or in record. Consider them baseball in a vacuum.

gyb13 · 09-10-2003, 11:37 PM

i guess Bud doesn't like asterisks

09-10-2003, 02:42 PM	#1
cubfan33 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,359	Scenarios and MLB Logic Great frickin' article by the incomparable Christian Ruzich. http://premium.baseballprospectus.co...articleid=2293 Yes, it's a BP Free Article. __________________ UTK available only at www.baseballprospectus.com "I was pulling for Pete and agreeing with (commissioner) Bud Selig that Pete should be eligible for the Hall of Fame," said Giles, now chairman of the Phillies. "Bud was close to making him eligible right after his meeting with Pete (November 2002). Right after that, Pete got into tax trouble (in California), and that delayed the process." - Phillies Chairman Bill Giles in the Dayton Daily News, January 25th, 2004.

09-10-2003, 02:59 PM	#2
hmrsf forum mom Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: relocation Posts: 4,298	Should have swept them damn Yankee. __________________ NDF who shares good karma! Get a coaster! My cup is not only 1/2 full it is brimming! We don't need no stinking Arods!

09-10-2003, 03:15 PM	#4
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	if we do have crazy playoff matchups, i wonder whether they could end up making the difference in the determination of mvp and cya awards... __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

09-10-2003, 03:51 PM	#7
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	it's not inconsistent. you're comparing a tie between TWO teams in the AL east with a tie among THREE teams in the NL central __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

09-10-2003, 04:15 PM	#10
cubfan33 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,359	KC - note that MLB has changed the rules (without telling anyone - shocker, eh?) and that tiebreaker playoff games are NOT considered regular season. Christian makes note of this in a couple spots. __________________ UTK available only at www.baseballprospectus.com "I was pulling for Pete and agreeing with (commissioner) Bud Selig that Pete should be eligible for the Hall of Fame," said Giles, now chairman of the Phillies. "Bud was close to making him eligible right after his meeting with Pete (November 2002). Right after that, Pete got into tax trouble (in California), and that delayed the process." - Phillies Chairman Bill Giles in the Dayton Daily News, January 25th, 2004.

09-10-2003, 02:59 PM	#3
Craig S. Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,330	If only MLB could explain it that easily.

09-10-2003, 04:02 PM	#8
Craig S. Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,330	They have to play the second game in the NL Central scenario, otherwise the Cubs would win the division based only on their divisional record. If that was the case, then why not give the team with the second-best divisional record the wildcard? That doesn't seem fair. I think each team has to earn that top spot on the field.

09-10-2003, 04:08 PM	#9
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	They seem to bending over backwards to avoid the disqualification of someone who tied for a division lead and also tied for the wild card to be eliminated based on a single playoff game. Which is the right thing to do, but 50 years from now it will look kind of funny in the record books.

09-10-2003, 04:19 PM	#11
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	In the past they were, so it was easy to assume this. What the heck category will they go in now? It's not "post season", is it? Or is it?

09-10-2003, 05:03 PM	#12
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	I think that would be pre-post-season. Or something. Actually, if I am remembering correctly, the playdown games would count in stats, but not in the records for the regular seasons. Yes? No?

09-10-2003, 11:25 PM	#14
cubfan33 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,359	They count neither in stats or in record. Consider them baseball in a vacuum. __________________ UTK available only at www.baseballprospectus.com "I was pulling for Pete and agreeing with (commissioner) Bud Selig that Pete should be eligible for the Hall of Fame," said Giles, now chairman of the Phillies. "Bud was close to making him eligible right after his meeting with Pete (November 2002). Right after that, Pete got into tax trouble (in California), and that delayed the process." - Phillies Chairman Bill Giles in the Dayton Daily News, January 25th, 2004.

09-10-2003, 11:37 PM	#15
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	i guess Bud doesn't like asterisks __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Email this Page	Search this Thread: Advanced Search
Display Modes	Rate This Thread
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode	Rate This Thread: