Marlins' Offseason: If it's broke, don't let Loria near it.

sweaver · 11-23-2002, 10:18 AM

The Marlins were the middlemen in the big trade so far, handing off Mike Hampton to the Braves in return for shedding the contracts of Charles Johnson and Preston Wilson, picking up Juan Pierre and Tim Spooneybarger. With Castillo and Pierre taking up the top of the order, is this a return the the late 70s Pirates Moreno-Tavarez order? If so, where are Dave Parker and Willie Stargell?

Max Power · 11-23-2002, 11:25 PM

A.J. Burnett, Brad Penny, and Josh Beckett just might be Mulder, Zito and Hudson of the south some day............but, Mike Lowell and Andy Fox are not exactly Tejada and Chavez.........

Marlins just may score less than 3.8 runs per game this year........

SmedIndy · 11-23-2002, 11:32 PM

A lot of two hoppers to the shortstop where the runner is just OUT at first. My what a close play there....

sweaver · 11-24-2002, 01:46 PM

So, the Marlins are basically down to Lowell and Derrek Lee in the middle of the order? I wouldn't want to be counting on Juan Encarnacion as an RBI guy. Oh, and Kevin Millar, but they've been trying to trade him. Maybe not now, with Wilson gone?

Fuzzy Bear · 11-24-2002, 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by sweaver
So, the Marlins are basically down to Lowell and Derrek Lee in the middle of the order? I wouldn't want to be counting on Juan Encarnacion as an RBI guy. Oh, and Kevin Millar, but they've been trying to trade him. Maybe not now, with Wilson gone?

One thing the Marlins need is a return to form from Alex Gonzalez, who has regressed steadily. He has the talent, but he seems to be regressing. I'm sure that the organizational tumult over the past few years hasn't helped.

Power on the left end of the defensive spectrum can often be increased by developing platoon combinations at 1B or LF, even RF. It amazes me that the Marlins haven't tried this as a solution.

gyb13 · 11-26-2002, 04:26 PM

C Redmond
1B Lee
2B Castillo
SS Fox
3B Lowell
LF Millar
CF Pierre
RF Encarnacion
C Castro
IF Gonzalez, Mordecai, Banks
OF Owens, Nunez, Raines (FA-retired)
SP Burnett, Penny, Beckett, Tavarez (FA), Tejera, Pavano
RP Nunez, Looper, Lloyd (FA), Almanza, Spooneybarger

WiredTiger · 11-26-2002, 05:03 PM

Try to replace as many positional players as possible. I don't think Pierre is the answer in CF, Encarcion is average at best.

Keep developing your young pitching. The pitching staff actually looks pretty decent. A good group of young starters and some options in the bullpen.

sweaver · 12-14-2002, 12:21 PM

The Marlins' 40-man roster, as of the start of the Winter Meetings:
Pitchers (20)
Almanza, Armando
Anderson, Wes
Beckett, Josh
Bump, Nate
Burnett, A.J.
Cueto, Jose
Goetz, Geoff
Knotts, Gary
Looper, Braden
Mairena, Ozwaldo
Neal, Blaine
Nunez, Vladimir
Olsen, Kevin
Pavano, Carl
Penny, Brad
Robertson, Nate
Snare, Ryan
Spooneybarger, Tim
Tejera, Michael
Wayne, Justin

Catchers (2)
Castro, Ramon
Redmond, Mike

Infielders (12)
Banks, Brian
Castillo, Luis
Fox, Andy
Gonzalez, Alex
Hooper, Kevin
Lee, Derrek
Lowell, Mike
Medrano, Jesus
Mordecai, Mike
Valdez, Wilson
Willingham, Josh
Wilson, Josh

Outfielders (6)
Ambres, Chip
Encarnacion, Juan
Millar, Kevin
Nunez, Abraham
Pierre, Juan
Owens, Eric

gyb13 · 12-18-2002, 06:11 PM

they may non-tender eric owens

sweaver · 12-26-2002, 04:21 PM

Lineup: Castillo, 2B; Pierre, CF; Millar, LF; Lowell, 3B; Lee, 1B; Encarnacion, RF; Fox, SS; Redmond, C

Rotation: Burnett, Penny, Beckett, Pavano, Tejara
Bullpen: Nunez, Looper, Spooneybarger, Almanza, Raker

Bench: Gonzalez, Mordecai, Nunez, ?

I see them slipping further and further into the abyss.

gyb13 · 12-29-2002, 07:31 PM

now there's a team with no punch

TimmyB · 12-29-2002, 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by sweaver
I see them slipping further and further into the abyss.

Just wait 'til trading deadline-day 2003 and then just wave goodbye...

gyb13 · 01-08-2003, 01:52 PM

the Fish have added to their collection of mediocre outfielders by signing Todd Hollandsworth. There are whispers that this may lead to the trading of Kevin Millar. If that happens, their outfield (Hollandsworth, Pierre, Encarnacion) will rival the Mets' for worst in the majors

TimmyB · 01-08-2003, 02:39 PM

Loria is Selig's "Plumber".

sweaver · 01-08-2003, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by gyb13
If that happens, their outfield (Hollandsworth, Pierre, Encarnacion) will rival the Mets' for worst in the majors

Considering they started last season with Millar, Preston Wilson, and Cliff Floyd, that's a long way to fall.

11-23-2002, 10:18 AM	#1
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Marlins' Offseason: If it's broke, don't let Loria near it. The Marlins were the middlemen in the big trade so far, handing off Mike Hampton to the Braves in return for shedding the contracts of Charles Johnson and Preston Wilson, picking up Juan Pierre and Tim Spooneybarger. With Castillo and Pierre taking up the top of the order, is this a return the the late 70s Pirates Moreno-Tavarez order? If so, where are Dave Parker and Willie Stargell?

11-23-2002, 11:25 PM	#2
Max Power NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: May 2002 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 5,548	A.J. Burnett, Brad Penny, and Josh Beckett just might be Mulder, Zito and Hudson of the south some day............but, Mike Lowell and Andy Fox are not exactly Tejada and Chavez......... Marlins just may score less than 3.8 runs per game this year........ __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator "They come and they go, Hobbs. They come and they go." That's why there's NetShrine.com

11-26-2002, 04:26 PM	#6
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	at the end of 2002 + hampton trade C Redmond 1B Lee 2B Castillo SS Fox 3B Lowell LF Millar CF Pierre RF Encarnacion C Castro IF Gonzalez, Mordecai, Banks OF Owens, Nunez, Raines (FA-retired) SP Burnett, Penny, Beckett, Tavarez (FA), Tejera, Pavano RP Nunez, Looper, Lloyd (FA), Almanza, Spooneybarger __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

12-18-2002, 06:11 PM	#9
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	they may non-tender eric owens __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

12-26-2002, 04:21 PM	#10
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Re: at the end of 2002 + hampton trade Lineup: Castillo, 2B; Pierre, CF; Millar, LF; Lowell, 3B; Lee, 1B; Encarnacion, RF; Fox, SS; Redmond, C Rotation: Burnett, Penny, Beckett, Pavano, Tejara Bullpen: Nunez, Looper, Spooneybarger, Almanza, Raker Bench: Gonzalez, Mordecai, Nunez, ? I see them slipping further and further into the abyss.

11-23-2002, 11:32 PM	#3
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	A lot of two hoppers to the shortstop where the runner is just OUT at first. My what a close play there....

11-24-2002, 01:46 PM	#4
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	So, the Marlins are basically down to Lowell and Derrek Lee in the middle of the order? I wouldn't want to be counting on Juan Encarnacion as an RBI guy. Oh, and Kevin Millar, but they've been trying to trade him. Maybe not now, with Wilson gone?

11-26-2002, 05:03 PM	#7
WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	Try to replace as many positional players as possible. I don't think Pierre is the answer in CF, Encarcion is average at best. Keep developing your young pitching. The pitching staff actually looks pretty decent. A good group of young starters and some options in the bullpen.

12-14-2002, 12:21 PM	#8
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	The Marlins' 40-man roster, as of the start of the Winter Meetings: Pitchers (20) Almanza, Armando Anderson, Wes Beckett, Josh Bump, Nate Burnett, A.J. Cueto, Jose Goetz, Geoff Knotts, Gary Looper, Braden Mairena, Ozwaldo Neal, Blaine Nunez, Vladimir Olsen, Kevin Pavano, Carl Penny, Brad Robertson, Nate Snare, Ryan Spooneybarger, Tim Tejera, Michael Wayne, Justin Catchers (2) Castro, Ramon Redmond, Mike Infielders (12) Banks, Brian Castillo, Luis Fox, Andy Gonzalez, Alex Hooper, Kevin Lee, Derrek Lowell, Mike Medrano, Jesus Mordecai, Mike Valdez, Wilson Willingham, Josh Wilson, Josh Outfielders (6) Ambres, Chip Encarnacion, Juan Millar, Kevin Nunez, Abraham Pierre, Juan Owens, Eric

12-29-2002, 07:31 PM	#11
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	now there's a team with no punch __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

01-08-2003, 01:52 PM	#13
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	the Fish have added to their collection of mediocre outfielders by signing Todd Hollandsworth. There are whispers that this may lead to the trading of Kevin Millar. If that happens, their outfield (Hollandsworth, Pierre, Encarnacion) will rival the Mets' for worst in the majors __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

01-08-2003, 02:39 PM	#14
TimmyB NetShrine's Magic 8-Ball Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Where the cops speak slow and the air is nice Posts: 2,591	Loria is Selig's "Plumber".

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