Rumored Mets-Rockies Deal

Max Power · 11-19-2002, 12:37 PM

Just heard on ESPN radio - I only got the tail end - that the Mets and Rockies are talking about Ordonez and Burnitz for Neagle.

Michael Kay of ESPN Radio in NY thought this would be a steal for the Mets.

He could be right.

hmrsf · 11-19-2002, 12:42 PM

I hope Kay has it right! I have my fingers crossed for Buzz, Patt, Mexi, and SS and all the Met fans out there! Help is coming!!!!!

KCBOOMER · 11-19-2002, 01:36 PM

Looks like a bad deal either way you cut it.

gyb13 · 11-19-2002, 04:52 PM

i guess it depends on how much of neagle's salary colorado would pick up. why would anyone want burnitz and ordonez, though? does o'dowd owe steve phillips for something?

Fatwater Fewl · 11-19-2002, 05:02 PM

Did I hear somewhere that the Mets are talking about bringing the fences in? I think I did. If so, this is a little scary for Mets fans, I'd think. Although Neagle should be able to scrape up 10 or 11 wins. Burnitz is probably a prototypical Coors hitter; big K numbers, capable of 40 HR's there and could drive in well over 100. Ordonez -- well, sure, take him as a defensive throw-in and go after Jose Hernandez.

I'd say the Rockies would win this deal on Burnitz alone.

Fuzzy Bear · 11-19-2002, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by Fatwater Fewl
I'd say the Rockies would win this deal on Burnitz alone.

I couldn't disagree more!

My disagreement is based on my negative opinion of Burnitz, who, in my opinion, is finished. He'll be garbage away from Coors, and he strikes out too much to maximize his usefulness at home in Coors. (Coors Field favors guys who can put the bat on the ball; if the Rox acquired Ichiro and Nomar, they may be the 1st team in history to have TWO .400 hitters in the history of modern baseball.)

I also think that Neagle's Coors numbers aren't awful. He will be a servicable pitcher in NY if he ends up there; he'll recover from the shellacking even Koufax would experience at Coors.

If you think Burnitz still has it, I might agree, but I think he's done, in much the same manner that Kevin McReynolds was at a similar age.

As for Ordonez, he can't hit, AND his glove is overrated. That's like having no personality AND no looks.

This may be the first intelligent thing Steve Phillips has done in a long time.

JamesI · 11-19-2002, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by KCBOOMER
Looks like a bad deal either way you cut it.

I agree, but Burnitz could succeed in Colorado, and Ordonez well he stinks anywhere. Neagle could be ok outside Denver, and allready survived NY media once.

SmedIndy · 11-19-2002, 11:31 PM

A deal concerning two teams no one will really care about in August and players descending down the slippery slope of ignomity.

Fatwater Fewl · 11-20-2002, 10:07 AM

Smed, happy accident or intentional, I think you've coined a great word in ignomity -- I'd define it as a combination of ignominy and anonymity.

shortstop · 11-20-2002, 10:21 AM

Heard on WFAN this morning that Wilpon vetoed the deal b/c he does not want Neagle.

gyb13 · 11-20-2002, 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by Fuzzy Bear
My disagreement is based on my negative opinion of Burnitz, who, in my opinion, is finished. He'll be garbage away from Coors, and he strikes out too much to maximize his usefulness at home in Coors.

on what kinds of pitches does Burnitz usually strikeout? if he has problems hitting breaking stuff, for example, his K numbers may go down in altitude

pathogan · 11-20-2002, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by gyb13
on what kinds of pitches does Burnitz usually strikeout? if he has problems hitting breaking stuff, for example, his K numbers may go down in altitude

he couldnt hit anything, though in Coors hed be better,,,neagle is a waste..Wilpon is turning into a enfant terrible compared to George,no?

satchel · 11-20-2002, 04:20 PM

Neagle probably has the most upside of the players in this trade, though at the price he's hardly worth it. Neagle himself will be the real winner if this goes through, because a fly-ball pitcher like him has no business pitching in Coors.

SmedIndy · 11-20-2002, 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by Fatwater Fewl
Smed, happy accident or intentional, I think you've coined a great word in ignomity -- I'd define it as a combination of ignominy and anonymity.

gyb13 · 11-21-2002, 11:24 AM

o'dowd has said that he realized that his latest idea for coors (speed and pitching) didn't work out....that speed only helps defensively up the middle and that they need power production from the corners. so he wants to trade away larry walker and trade for matt williams, rubi durazo, and jeromy burnitz?

11-19-2002, 12:37 PM	#1
Max Power NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: May 2002 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 5,548	Rumored Mets-Rockies Deal Just heard on ESPN radio - I only got the tail end - that the Mets and Rockies are talking about Ordonez and Burnitz for Neagle. Michael Kay of ESPN Radio in NY thought this would be a steal for the Mets. He could be right. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator "They come and they go, Hobbs. They come and they go." That's why there's NetShrine.com

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KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	Looks like a bad deal either way you cut it. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

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gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	i guess it depends on how much of neagle's salary colorado would pick up. why would anyone want burnitz and ordonez, though? does o'dowd owe steve phillips for something? __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

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satchel NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 2,601	Neagle probably has the most upside of the players in this trade, though at the price he's hardly worth it. Neagle himself will be the real winner if this goes through, because a fly-ball pitcher like him has no business pitching in Coors. __________________ Rare mold, old vomit - An anagram rejected by Tom Riddle

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Fatwater Fewl NetShrine MVP Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Charlottetown, PEI Posts: 261	Did I hear somewhere that the Mets are talking about bringing the fences in? I think I did. If so, this is a little scary for Mets fans, I'd think. Although Neagle should be able to scrape up 10 or 11 wins. Burnitz is probably a prototypical Coors hitter; big K numbers, capable of 40 HR's there and could drive in well over 100. Ordonez -- well, sure, take him as a defensive throw-in and go after Jose Hernandez. I'd say the Rockies would win this deal on Burnitz alone.

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SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	A deal concerning two teams no one will really care about in August and players descending down the slippery slope of ignomity.

11-20-2002, 10:07 AM	#9
Fatwater Fewl NetShrine MVP Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Charlottetown, PEI Posts: 261	Smed, happy accident or intentional, I think you've coined a great word in ignomity -- I'd define it as a combination of ignominy and anonymity.

11-20-2002, 10:21 AM	#10
shortstop NetShrine Hot Prospect Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 28	Heard on WFAN this morning that Wilpon vetoed the deal b/c he does not want Neagle.

11-21-2002, 11:24 AM	#15
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	o'dowd has said that he realized that his latest idea for coors (speed and pitching) didn't work out....that speed only helps defensively up the middle and that they need power production from the corners. so he wants to trade away larry walker and trade for matt williams, rubi durazo, and jeromy burnitz? __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

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