Trade talk: Cubs get Damian Miller

gyb13 · 11-13-2002, 05:04 PM

http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/1113/1460396.html
The cubs get someone who will defend better than girardi and hit better than hundley. He has been incredibly consistent over the past 4 seasons - about 100 games caught, 770 OPS

In return they gave up minor leaguers David Noyce (AA LH RP) and Gary Johnson (AA OF) - neither of them project as anything special.

The kicker - Miller got paid $2.7 million in 2002 and is eligible for arbitration.

KCBOOMER · 11-13-2002, 05:28 PM

The Cubbies do funny things. They spend money when most of us wouldn't and then they scrimp when they shouldn't.

ChicagoDave · 11-13-2002, 05:40 PM

Once again, the Cubs get someone who won't do much.

Whatever happened to Pat Cline?

ChicagoDave · 11-13-2002, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by gyb13
http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/1113/1460396.html
He has been incredibly consistent over the past 4 seasons - about 100 games caught, 770 OPS

Hundley had a .722 OPS for 2002 and Miller had a .775. Not much better if any.

Hundley had a RCAA of -7 and Miller had a -8. Both had an RCAP of 2.

I think we are just getting a younger player.

gyb13 · 11-13-2002, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by ChicagoDave
Whatever happened to Pat Cline?

she died in a plane crash and fell to pieces. oh, you meant Pat Cline. he's giving lectures on the dangers of hazardous waste to the environment - http://cnr.ifas.ufl.edu/conferen/abstractcline.htm ... oh, the other Pat Cline. I dunno....

gyb13 · 11-13-2002, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by ChicagoDave
I think we are just getting a younger player.

and cheaper. now you just gotta unload hundley's $6 mil in 03 (+ another 500K if he plays 100 gms) and $6.5 mil in 04 onto someone else

ChicagoDave · 11-13-2002, 05:54 PM

In reference to your information about Pat Cline.

SmedIndy · 11-14-2002, 09:36 AM

Hundley is a millstone. I'm not thrilled by Miller, but he can catch and throw a lot better than Hundley.

Joe G. should start another long career in baseball by managing a Rookie League team this year.

hmrsf · 11-14-2002, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by SmedIndy
Hundley is a millstone. I'm not thrilled by Miller, but he can catch and throw a lot better than Hundley.

Joe G. should start another long career in baseball by managing a Rookie League team this year.

Sounds like a Duquette special. Baltimore also specializes in those type of deals. Smed, there will always be owners and GM who will get excited about the Hundleys of the baseball world. *deep breaths*

Call it whatever you want......I have a feeling this will be the oddest offseason in baseball history.

WiredTiger · 11-14-2002, 10:11 AM

I think this isn't a bad trade for the Cubs. There is no way they could rely on Hundley to catch even a partial season. he's still a decent hitter as a C but I don't think he'll be able to spend enough time there to help the team. Miller will give the Cubs a good defensive catcher that can help their young pitchers.

ChicagoDave · 11-14-2002, 10:17 AM

I never said it was a bad trade. Just not much of an improvement. The more games he plays behind the plate the lower his batter average will be. He has never played in more than 123 games for a season.

VNV Nation · 11-14-2002, 10:51 AM

good job by the Cubbies! They've got the division nearly locked up.

ChicagoDave · 11-14-2002, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by VNV Nation
good job by the Cubbies! They've got the division nearly locked up.

moose · 11-14-2002, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by VNV Nation
good job by the Cubbies! They've got the division nearly locked up.

nothing like having an "all star" to lead the squad.

sweaver · 11-14-2002, 01:44 PM

Miller is an average player. The Cubs could use a couple more of those. He's a step up, and they didn't give up anything but AAA roster filler to get him. Cubs fans, you should be happy!

11-13-2002, 05:04 PM	#1
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	Trade talk: Cubs get Damian Miller http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/1113/1460396.html The cubs get someone who will defend better than girardi and hit better than hundley. He has been incredibly consistent over the past 4 seasons - about 100 games caught, 770 OPS In return they gave up minor leaguers David Noyce (AA LH RP) and Gary Johnson (AA OF) - neither of them project as anything special. The kicker - Miller got paid $2.7 million in 2002 and is eligible for arbitration. __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

11-13-2002, 05:28 PM	#2
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	The Cubbies do funny things. They spend money when most of us wouldn't and then they scrimp when they shouldn't. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

11-13-2002, 05:40 PM	#3
ChicagoDave NetShrine MVP Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Woodridge IL Posts: 219	Once again, the Cubs get someone who won't do much. Whatever happened to Pat Cline? __________________ Spring Training is always the most exciting time for a Cubs Fan. The Cubs still have a chance and next year is finally here. http://www.baseballyap.com/

11-13-2002, 05:54 PM	#7
ChicagoDave NetShrine MVP Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Woodridge IL Posts: 219	In reference to your information about Pat Cline. __________________ Spring Training is always the most exciting time for a Cubs Fan. The Cubs still have a chance and next year is finally here. http://www.baseballyap.com/

11-14-2002, 10:17 AM	#11
ChicagoDave NetShrine MVP Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Woodridge IL Posts: 219	I never said it was a bad trade. Just not much of an improvement. The more games he plays behind the plate the lower his batter average will be. He has never played in more than 123 games for a season. __________________ Spring Training is always the most exciting time for a Cubs Fan. The Cubs still have a chance and next year is finally here. http://www.baseballyap.com/

11-14-2002, 09:36 AM	#8
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	Hundley is a millstone. I'm not thrilled by Miller, but he can catch and throw a lot better than Hundley. Joe G. should start another long career in baseball by managing a Rookie League team this year.

11-14-2002, 10:11 AM	#10
WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	I think this isn't a bad trade for the Cubs. There is no way they could rely on Hundley to catch even a partial season. he's still a decent hitter as a C but I don't think he'll be able to spend enough time there to help the team. Miller will give the Cubs a good defensive catcher that can help their young pitchers.

11-14-2002, 10:51 AM	#12
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	good job by the Cubbies! They've got the division nearly locked up.

11-14-2002, 01:44 PM	#15
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Miller is an average player. The Cubs could use a couple more of those. He's a step up, and they didn't give up anything but AAA roster filler to get him. Cubs fans, you should be happy!

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