Rockies' offseason: If it's broke, fix it.

sweaver · 11-10-2002, 10:05 PM

Lots of talk from the Rocks' camp this offseason, mostly about dumping. What should they do?

JamesI · 11-10-2002, 11:17 PM

Try to find someone, anyone to take Hampton and Nagle. Cut payroll and prepare for the future. I'd hold on to Walker unless its the only way to get rid of one of the pitchers.

WiredTiger · 11-11-2002, 09:01 AM

I think it's going to be awfully tough to dump Hampton and Neagle without taking on salaries back. It's obvious that they both are having trouble pitching in Coors. I would try to trade them for the best deal that you can get.

I would also trade Larry Walker if I could get some prospects for him. He's getting older and Colorado is in bad shape.

11-11-2002, 09:18 AM

We can't talk of this in terms of other teams lining up for Hampton or Neagle - espcially Neagle. I'd keep Hampton... but I'm not sure there's a real way for the Rox to make a few moves and get back to prominence. They seem to be setting themselves up for a several year long run of teams within 4 or 5 games of 75 wins.

sweaver · 11-11-2002, 09:53 AM

It seems that both Neagle and Hampton have been psyched out by the altitude, and will have to move on to get back any semblance of effectiveness. I would take either of them, especially Neagle, but not at those prices. Therein lies the rub.

gyb13 · 11-13-2002, 05:12 PM

C Alomar (FA), Bennett, Estalella, Petrick
1B Helton
2B Butler
SS Uribe
3B Zeile (FA-resigned?)
LF Kapler
CF Pierre
RF Walker
IF Norton, Ortiz, Shumpert (FA)
OF Payton, Agbayani, Cust
SP Hampton (player option), Neagle, Jennings, Stark, Chacon, Santos, Harnisch (FA)
RP Jimenez, Jones (team option), Speier, Mercker (FA), White, Reyes, Fuentes

shortstop · 11-13-2002, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by gyb13

OF Payton, Agbayani, Cust

gyb, what website are you using for your rosters? Agbayani is on the Red Sox.

fwiw, Yahoo! MLB seems up-to-date roster-wise w/respect to end of season transactions.

gyb13 · 11-14-2002, 02:28 PM

i was mostly doing it off the top of my head...maybe i should start checking now...

shortstop · 11-14-2002, 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by gyb13
i was mostly doing it off the top of my head...maybe i should start checking now...

Off the top off your head?!? That's pretty darn impressive. That'll teach me to assume.

gyb13 · 11-14-2002, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shortstop
Off the top off your head?!?

yeah, except for the 'who's a free agent' part of it

sweaver · 11-23-2002, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gyb13
C Alomar (FA), Bennett, Estalella, Petrick
1B Helton
2B Butler
SS Uribe
3B Zeile (FA-resigned?)
LF Kapler
CF Pierre
RF Walker
IF Norton, Ortiz, Shumpert (FA)
OF Payton, Cust
SP Hampton (player option), Neagle, Jennings, Stark, Chacon, Santos, Harnisch (FA)
RP Jimenez, Jones (team option), Speier, Mercker (FA), White, Reyes, Fuentes

Given the recent trade, Hampton is out, C. Johnson is in to catch, Preston Wilson replaces Juan Pierre, and they add Darensbourg as a LH RP and Ozuna in the 2B mix. Ortiz was released. Looks to me like they need a SS for sure, could use Norton as 3B.

sweaver · 12-14-2002, 12:24 PM

The Rockies' 40-man roster as of the start of the Winter Meetings:
Pitchers (12)
Cameron, Ryan
Chacon, Shawn
Cook, Aaron
Elarton, Scott
Fuentes, Brian
Jennings, Jason
Jimenez, Jose
Jones, Todd
Neagle, Denny
Speier, Justin
Stark, Dennis
Vance, Cory

Catchers (5)
Bennett, Gary
Closser, J.D.
Estalella, Bobby
Johnson, Charles
Petrick, Ben

Infielders (10)
Atkins, Garrett
Baker, Jeff
Barmes, Clint
Butler, Brent
Hawpe, Brad
Helton, Todd
Norton, Greg
Ozuna, Pablo
Romano, Jason
Uribe, Juan

Outfielders (8)
Cust, Jack
Freeman, Choo
Holliday, Matt
Kapler, Gabe
Payton, Jay
Reyes, Rene
Walker, Larry
Wilson, Preston

sweaver · 12-26-2002, 08:02 PM

Let's play around a bit with the Rockies' lineup, which has changed some over the offseason.
Lineup: Butler, 2B; Kapler/Payton, LF; Walker, RF; Helton, 1B; Wilson, CF; Norton, 3B; Johnson, C; Uribe, SS

Rotation: Jennings, Neagle, Stark, Chacon, Santos
Bullpen: Jiminez, Jones, White, Speier, Reyes, Fuentes

Bench: Estalella, Petrick, Cust, ?

gyb13 · 12-29-2002, 07:36 PM

bennett is in SD now

gyb13 · 01-03-2003, 05:51 PM

The Rockies are looking for any body to man third: http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,...970%7E,00.html

it seems they might sign Chris Stynes, luring him for just 500K with the promise of a starting job (other teams - why? - have offered 1 million for him to be a utility).

otherwise, they could go the more expensive route (hernandez) or find another crappy converted 3B (jay bell, tyler houston)

11-10-2002, 10:05 PM	#1
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Rockies' offseason: If it's broke, fix it. Lots of talk from the Rocks' camp this offseason, mostly about dumping. What should they do?

11-13-2002, 05:12 PM	#6
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	C Alomar (FA), Bennett, Estalella, Petrick 1B Helton 2B Butler SS Uribe 3B Zeile (FA-resigned?) LF Kapler CF Pierre RF Walker IF Norton, Ortiz, Shumpert (FA) OF Payton, Agbayani, Cust SP Hampton (player option), Neagle, Jennings, Stark, Chacon, Santos, Harnisch (FA) RP Jimenez, Jones (team option), Speier, Mercker (FA), White, Reyes, Fuentes __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

11-14-2002, 02:28 PM	#8
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	i was mostly doing it off the top of my head...maybe i should start checking now... __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

12-29-2002, 07:36 PM	#14
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	bennett is in SD now __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

01-03-2003, 05:51 PM	#15
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	The Rockies are looking for any body to man third: http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,...970%7E,00.html it seems they might sign Chris Stynes, luring him for just 500K with the promise of a starting job (other teams - why? - have offered 1 million for him to be a utility). otherwise, they could go the more expensive route (hernandez) or find another crappy converted 3B (jay bell, tyler houston) __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

11-10-2002, 11:17 PM	#2
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	Try to find someone, anyone to take Hampton and Nagle. Cut payroll and prepare for the future. I'd hold on to Walker unless its the only way to get rid of one of the pitchers.

11-11-2002, 09:01 AM	#3
WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	I think it's going to be awfully tough to dump Hampton and Neagle without taking on salaries back. It's obvious that they both are having trouble pitching in Coors. I would try to trade them for the best deal that you can get. I would also trade Larry Walker if I could get some prospects for him. He's getting older and Colorado is in bad shape.

11-11-2002, 09:18 AM	#4
CpUltravox Posts: n/a	We can't talk of this in terms of other teams lining up for Hampton or Neagle - espcially Neagle. I'd keep Hampton... but I'm not sure there's a real way for the Rox to make a few moves and get back to prominence. They seem to be setting themselves up for a several year long run of teams within 4 or 5 games of 75 wins.

11-11-2002, 09:53 AM	#5
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	It seems that both Neagle and Hampton have been psyched out by the altitude, and will have to move on to get back any semblance of effectiveness. I would take either of them, especially Neagle, but not at those prices. Therein lies the rub.

12-14-2002, 12:24 PM	#12
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	The Rockies' 40-man roster as of the start of the Winter Meetings: Pitchers (12) Cameron, Ryan Chacon, Shawn Cook, Aaron Elarton, Scott Fuentes, Brian Jennings, Jason Jimenez, Jose Jones, Todd Neagle, Denny Speier, Justin Stark, Dennis Vance, Cory Catchers (5) Bennett, Gary Closser, J.D. Estalella, Bobby Johnson, Charles Petrick, Ben Infielders (10) Atkins, Garrett Baker, Jeff Barmes, Clint Butler, Brent Hawpe, Brad Helton, Todd Norton, Greg Ozuna, Pablo Romano, Jason Uribe, Juan Outfielders (8) Cust, Jack Freeman, Choo Holliday, Matt Kapler, Gabe Payton, Jay Reyes, Rene Walker, Larry Wilson, Preston

12-26-2002, 08:02 PM	#13
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Let's play around a bit with the Rockies' lineup, which has changed some over the offseason. Lineup: Butler, 2B; Kapler/Payton, LF; Walker, RF; Helton, 1B; Wilson, CF; Norton, 3B; Johnson, C; Uribe, SS Rotation: Jennings, Neagle, Stark, Chacon, Santos Bullpen: Jiminez, Jones, White, Speier, Reyes, Fuentes Bench: Estalella, Petrick, Cust, ?

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