Looking For Help On The Next Ballot

[Max Power]

Here's who is in the NetShrine Gallery so far:
http://www.netshrine.com/directory.html
Note that 22 were just added today.

Here's who is on the current ballot:
http://www.netshrine.com/ballot.html

Who else should be in NetShrine?
Any recently retired that should be in?

Please try and give a "why he should be in" with everyone that you suggest - thanks.

[LeGrandOrange]

Ah yes, I get to do my thing once again...I love this job. Give me a little bit...
*prays that I don't run out of guys to advocate candidacy for*

[LeGrandOrange]

I do figure that it would be respectful to throw Darryl Kile's name into this. I can't think of a mini-description for him...

[Alan Smithee]

hmm lets see. . . Bix mackey, dick lundy, chris torriente, bud fowler, frank grant.


if they are allowed then Oh, espino, buzz arlett, tony freitas.


wait did I go nuts? william hulbert is not in ? william Hulbert? he's a lot more important than dante bichette.
hugh fullerton too. if your going to put in arch ward lord where;s hugh fullerton?

[VNV Nation]

I'll vouch for Freitas if you go for Harry Krause.

among the new candidates...
Start with the easy stuff and knock out Billy Sunday, Tom Brown, Dante Bichette, Everett Scott. Really I'd knock out Dunlap, too, but he's sort of a novelty. I'm a big fan of Devon White but he's hardly immortal.

The best guys are Walter Alston, Tim Raines, Dave Cone.

I'm a big fan of the Curveless Wonder and the Nashville Narcissist, they were big winners on my rookie BJCB team, and of course they were good hitters, too. I'm ok with the others. Pfeffer, I don't know if he was the modern-day Frank White or Frank Bolling, but OK.

[JamesI]

Raines needs to be in. Canseco too since you have different levels. He deserves to at least be a Supernal or Icon.
Cone should be in, not a Apical but in.

I was searching, and couldn't find Dave McNally in. I think he deserves to be in as an Icon. His numbers are very similiar to Cuellar, who is in.


Off topic question. Why is Cal Ripken in the Free Agency Era and Tony Gwynn the Long Ball era?

[Max Power]

Guys - - I'm looking for help on the next ballot - not feedback on the current one............

James - Dave McNally is not in - - - perhaps he should be on the next ballot?

On the Ripken/Gwynn thing - - - - guys go in the era in which they had the most full seasons - - or the era in which they did more "damage."

[JamesI]

Ok, since your looking for suggestions for the next ballot, I will suggest Dave McNally. 184 wins, 4 20 win seasons, only pitcher to hit a world series grand slam.

[Jim Rice]

Amos Otis - I was surprised to find that he wasn't already enshrined. Ranks 22rd among all center fielders according to the admittedly biased Bill James, but he's still well worthy of the honor compared to some of the other CFs who are already in. Compare him to Lloyd Waner, Willie McGee, and Dom DiMaggio who are all in:

Otis Waner McGee DiMaggio
RC 1108 1103 1004 954
RCAA 187 34 29 120
RCAP 136 -93 -32 20
OWP .578 .515 .508 .560
ISO .149 .077 .101 .121
SEC .286 .140 .190 .261
BPA .486 .427 .437 .479

If Devon White rates a spot on the latest ballot, then A.O. clearly deserves a slot on the next one.

[LeGrandOrange]

Here's my ballot...these are all guys I have not suggested before...

1. Roger Peckinpaugh
Spent a decade as a top fielding SS. Decent hitter. Managed briefly in 1914, at 23 was youngest manager ever.

2. Ginger Beaumont
Swift turn-of-the-century leadoff hitter. Led NL in hits 4 times. Was the first player to bat in a World Series game.

3. Luke Easter
Legendary Negro League and minor league slugger. Hit at least 25 HR's in 3 seasons as a regular in the majors. Among the few to homer over the wall in CF at the Polo Grounds.

4. Pepper Martin
Fiery and colorful 3B/OF who led NL in SB 3 times. Hit .418 in World Series play, among best in history.

5. Steve O'Neill (as contributor)
Top AL catcher who became successful manager. In 14 seasons, never finished a year with a losing record.

6. Paul Blair
Talkative, rangy CF. Won 8 career Gold Gloves. Decent hitter until beaning in 1970.

7. Garry Maddox
Speedy CF with exceptional range, won 8 Gold Gloves. Solid hitter.

8. Rico Carty
Powerful and popular Dominican slugger. Made all-star team as a write-in candidate in 1970.

Obviously, commissioner can do better write-ups, this is why he's the commissioner and I'm merely part of the player's assocation.

If you've got a problem with any of my selections, you know where you can stick them. *g*
Now I need to figure out who else I've suggested that still deserves to be in...

[Max Power]

Thanks to all - this is all great stuff - keep 'em coming!

[Jim Rice]

Johnny Pesky, and not just because he was the same player as Cecil Travis, Johnny Temple, Billy Rogell and Glenn Beckert, who are all enshrined already. He also missed three prime years to WWII (as Travis did) and went on to spend another 40 years as a manager and coach. A classy ballplayer and man.

[JamesI]

Originally posted by LeGrandOrange
6. Paul Blair
Talkative, rangy CF. Won 8 career Gold Gloves. Decent hitter until beaning in 1970.

I'd endorse Blair. Could have been great, but his offensive skills deteriorated after that beaning.


Assuming no team is stupid enough to sign him again, how about Brady Anderson. Other than Bonds, he's the only player with a 50+ steals season and a 50+ homer season (although that was pure fluke). Was a pretty good defender too, until the end of his career.

[LeGrandOrange]

Since they're "popular" right now, I should give these guys my full endorsement:

1. Dusty Baker
Consistent power hitter for over a decade. Fairly quick and a good defender. Later managed.

2. Felipe Alou
Articulate Dominican with solid power. Hit well for average and led NL in hits twice. Later managed, spent 5 seasons managing his son.

I know both are active in the dugout, but if Torre is in as a player why not...

[Max Power]

How about the 4th Alou brother, Bob?