BCS/Fiesta Bowl matchup

sweaver · 11-03-2002, 06:48 PM

Since Skip's "hate ND" thread keeps trying to morph into a BCS discussion, I thought we should have a place for such a thing. The number of unbeatens has seriously decreased this weekend, so what does that do to the likely Bowl pairings?

LeGrandOrange · 11-03-2002, 07:16 PM

It basically makes Miami and Oklahoma the front runners...and it's a damn shame because I wanted the Irish in the championship game, I'm tired of the Canes, and the Sooners aren't making me all that interested either.
But I don't care about that matchup, I only care about the Rose Bowl...my Cougs might be there this year...

Craig S. · 11-03-2002, 07:46 PM

I always want the 2 best teams in the championship. To me, that would be Miami and Oklahoma.

Miami's offense is high-octane, but that Sooner defense has speed to burn. And I'm a little worried about Miami's shaky run defense stopping Griffin. At least he's a speed back, and not a power guy like Suggs, so they should be able to handle him.

If Miami loses during the next few weeks - and they have a killer schedule - then Ohio State would likely move in by default unless they lose to Michigan.

JamesI · 11-03-2002, 09:07 PM

I think we'll see a lot of agreement here. Miami Oklahoma in the fiesta bowl. I don't think either will lose until that day.

pwdennis · 11-03-2002, 10:05 PM

Miami has some pretty decent teams left to play Tennessee, Pittsburgh & Virginia Tech - it is by no means a given that Miami will emerge unscathed.

Oklahoma's schedule is easier but not pantywaist, and they still need to emerge with the Big 12 Championship

Ohio State vs Bowling Green for the National Championship ?

11-03-2002, 10:24 PM

Forget Miami.. Forget Oklahoma.. Forget Ohio State... Forget even Bowling Green.

Because on the outskirts of Indianapolis, they won another game to remain undefeated and earn a bid into the division 3 playoffs, and with an upcoing clash with winless Hiram, the prospect of Wabash clinching their first outright NCAC title looks certain.

Anyone else find it amusing that they broadcast on W(i)NDY?

In all seriousness, because of the difficulty of the upcoming schedule for Miami and Oklahoma, I think it's likely one of the two will fall, and (hopefully) face Ohio State in the Fiesta.

Craig S. · 11-05-2002, 10:30 AM

With Ohio State now ahead of Miami in the BCS rankings, what happens if they run the table? Do you think Miami would still have a chance to gain on them?

My take is that Miami's strength of schedule points should jump when they play Tennesse, Pitt and VT. The Buckeyes still have Michigan, but I don't think they'll gain much more in strength. I also think Miami has a chance to retake the top spot in the coaches' poll if they look good in winning their last 4 games.

I also think Miami has the greater chance to gain in the "quality wins" category. They have wins against the 12-13 teams, and if either can sneak into the top 10, it would give the 'Canes some help. Ohio State is getting a 0.6 deduction for beating Washington State earlier, so any WSU loss would also help Miami.

This is too close to call right now. I think Oklahoma is the team least likely to lose, although Texas A&M is no slouch, and the Big 12 championship could bring an interesting rematch against Colorado. Miami has a killer schedule, and any of Tennessee, Pitt or VTU could beat them if they play like they have the last 2 weeks. The Buckeyes have what I think are 2 tough games left - Michigan to finish up, and Purdue this weekend. I know Purdue has a losing record, but they barely lost to both Iowa and Michigan.

I'll still go with Miami-Oklahoma, but the good 'Canes better be ready to go at 3:30 this Saturday.

sweaver · 11-05-2002, 11:36 AM

Oklahoma looks to have the clearest path to the Fiesta, with Miami probably rising to the #2 spot if they can win out. Ohio State will have to keep winning and hope one of the others lose.

rcartman28 · 11-05-2002, 11:53 AM

I'll stick to my previous guess of Miami and Oklahoma playing in Tempe and Ohio State making it only if one of those two slip during the next month. I think the Buckeyes will run the table, but I wouldn't bet the house about both Miami and Oklahoma doing it, too.

I am rooting strongly for Tennessee on Saturday against Miami, though......go Vols !!

KCBOOMER · 11-05-2002, 12:03 PM

Right now it is down to Oklahoma, Ohio State, and Miami with Oklahoma and Miami having the edge due to games they have already won (Oklahoma) or games to be played (Miami).

The problem Oklahoma has, and it is no little thing, is the B1g 12 has one of those goofy "conference championship" games. Right now the odds are they will play Colorado who they just beat last Saturday. The Big 12 has a 50% kill rate in this game for the better team getting beat.

soxfan121 · 11-05-2002, 12:14 PM

If Miami wins out and DOESN't end up in the National Championship, the BCS will be laughed out of town. Miami hasn't lost in over 2 years, is the reigning National Champ, and SHOULD BE, come hell or highwater, in the game again this season (again, assuming they win out).

As for the other team, as long as it isn't the Bucketheads from OSU, I'll be happy.

moose · 11-05-2002, 12:57 PM

espn claimed that if everyone wins out, it will be miami v. okla.

it's stupid for a computer to disagree with the AP poll so obviously. the coaches poll is silly, since most coaches don't even (a) really know or (b) participate.

11-05-2002, 01:09 PM

Neither do most of the writers.

moose · 11-05-2002, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by CpUltravox
Neither do most of the writers.

at least the writers are actually watching the games...

Craig S. · 11-05-2002, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by moose
at least the writers are actually watching the games...

I think that's the writers' advantage. Coaches usually focus only on teams in their conference, or on that particular year's non-conference opponents. It's tough to watch many games when your whole Saturday is spent coaching.

Not that writers are perfect - they often have heavy biases - but they at least take a more global view of the college game.

And I would take coaches or the media over the computers.

11-03-2002, 06:48 PM	#1
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	BCS/Fiesta Bowl matchup Since Skip's "hate ND" thread keeps trying to morph into a BCS discussion, I thought we should have a place for such a thing. The number of unbeatens has seriously decreased this weekend, so what does that do to the likely Bowl pairings?

11-03-2002, 10:05 PM	#5
pwdennis NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 2,503	Miami has some pretty decent teams left to play Tennessee, Pittsburgh & Virginia Tech - it is by no means a given that Miami will emerge unscathed. Oklahoma's schedule is easier but not pantywaist, and they still need to emerge with the Big 12 Championship Ohio State vs Bowling Green for the National Championship ? __________________ "I would submit that if the world survives for a million years, perhaps its finest hour may be that in the last half of the 20th century, when the power to blow up the world rested in the hands of a few men in two very unsophisticated and suspicious countries, we didn't do it, and one American, Richard Nixon, moved the cold war away from permanent confrontation toward victory. How could any wrong that he did compare with that?" - John Sears

11-05-2002, 11:53 AM	#9
rcartman28 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hudson, WI Posts: 1,408	I'll stick to my previous guess of Miami and Oklahoma playing in Tempe and Ohio State making it only if one of those two slip during the next month. I think the Buckeyes will run the table, but I wouldn't bet the house about both Miami and Oklahoma doing it, too. I am rooting strongly for Tennessee on Saturday against Miami, though......go Vols !! __________________ I would have looked out for the water main. But that's just me..... Brett Favre

11-05-2002, 12:03 PM	#10
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	Right now it is down to Oklahoma, Ohio State, and Miami with Oklahoma and Miami having the edge due to games they have already won (Oklahoma) or games to be played (Miami). The problem Oklahoma has, and it is no little thing, is the B1g 12 has one of those goofy "conference championship" games. Right now the odds are they will play Colorado who they just beat last Saturday. The Big 12 has a 50% kill rate in this game for the better team getting beat. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

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11-03-2002, 07:16 PM	#2
LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	It basically makes Miami and Oklahoma the front runners...and it's a damn shame because I wanted the Irish in the championship game, I'm tired of the Canes, and the Sooners aren't making me all that interested either. But I don't care about that matchup, I only care about the Rose Bowl...my Cougs might be there this year...

11-03-2002, 07:46 PM	#3
Craig S. Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,330	I always want the 2 best teams in the championship. To me, that would be Miami and Oklahoma. Miami's offense is high-octane, but that Sooner defense has speed to burn. And I'm a little worried about Miami's shaky run defense stopping Griffin. At least he's a speed back, and not a power guy like Suggs, so they should be able to handle him. If Miami loses during the next few weeks - and they have a killer schedule - then Ohio State would likely move in by default unless they lose to Michigan.

11-03-2002, 09:07 PM	#4
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	I think we'll see a lot of agreement here. Miami Oklahoma in the fiesta bowl. I don't think either will lose until that day.

11-03-2002, 10:24 PM	#6
CpUltravox Posts: n/a	Forget Miami.. Forget Oklahoma.. Forget Ohio State... Forget even Bowling Green. Because on the outskirts of Indianapolis, they won another game to remain undefeated and earn a bid into the division 3 playoffs, and with an upcoing clash with winless Hiram, the prospect of Wabash clinching their first outright NCAC title looks certain. Anyone else find it amusing that they broadcast on W(i)NDY? In all seriousness, because of the difficulty of the upcoming schedule for Miami and Oklahoma, I think it's likely one of the two will fall, and (hopefully) face Ohio State in the Fiesta.

11-05-2002, 10:30 AM	#7
Craig S. Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,330	With Ohio State now ahead of Miami in the BCS rankings, what happens if they run the table? Do you think Miami would still have a chance to gain on them? My take is that Miami's strength of schedule points should jump when they play Tennesse, Pitt and VT. The Buckeyes still have Michigan, but I don't think they'll gain much more in strength. I also think Miami has a chance to retake the top spot in the coaches' poll if they look good in winning their last 4 games. I also think Miami has the greater chance to gain in the "quality wins" category. They have wins against the 12-13 teams, and if either can sneak into the top 10, it would give the 'Canes some help. Ohio State is getting a 0.6 deduction for beating Washington State earlier, so any WSU loss would also help Miami. This is too close to call right now. I think Oklahoma is the team least likely to lose, although Texas A&M is no slouch, and the Big 12 championship could bring an interesting rematch against Colorado. Miami has a killer schedule, and any of Tennessee, Pitt or VTU could beat them if they play like they have the last 2 weeks. The Buckeyes have what I think are 2 tough games left - Michigan to finish up, and Purdue this weekend. I know Purdue has a losing record, but they barely lost to both Iowa and Michigan. I'll still go with Miami-Oklahoma, but the good 'Canes better be ready to go at 3:30 this Saturday.

11-05-2002, 11:36 AM	#8
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Oklahoma looks to have the clearest path to the Fiesta, with Miami probably rising to the #2 spot if they can win out. Ohio State will have to keep winning and hope one of the others lose.

11-05-2002, 12:14 PM	#11
soxfan121 Renounced Membership 7/9/03 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Live Free Or Die, USA Posts: 1,335	If Miami wins out and DOESN't end up in the National Championship, the BCS will be laughed out of town. Miami hasn't lost in over 2 years, is the reigning National Champ, and SHOULD BE, come hell or highwater, in the game again this season (again, assuming they win out). As for the other team, as long as it isn't the Bucketheads from OSU, I'll be happy.

11-05-2002, 12:57 PM	#12
moose Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Socs Posts: 3,400	espn claimed that if everyone wins out, it will be miami v. okla. it's stupid for a computer to disagree with the AP poll so obviously. the coaches poll is silly, since most coaches don't even (a) really know or (b) participate.

11-05-2002, 01:09 PM	#13
CpUltravox Posts: n/a	Neither do most of the writers.

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