Clemens declines his option

nyy26wc · 10-31-2002, 01:24 PM

1) Yankees P Roger Clemens declined his option to remain with the Yankees. Clemens gets $10.3 million for next year, in addition to whatever he gets as a free agent.

After 3.70 ERA/32 RSAA and 3.51 ERA/24 RSAA seasons, Clemens had a 4.35 ERA/0 RSAA in 29 starts. He has a 3.15 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.38, and 603 RSAA in 574 games.

Clemens ranks 5th all time in career RSAA--

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1    Cy Young                    815   
2    Kid Nichols                 679   
3    Lefty Grove                 668   
4    Walter Johnson              643   
5    Roger Clemens               603   
6    Greg Maddux                 535   
7    Grover C Alexander          523   
8    John Clarkson               510   
9    Randy Johnson               456   
10   Christy Mathewson           409

2) The BlueJays signed Ps Doug Linton and Trever Miller to minor league contracts and invited them to spring training.

Linton had a 5.86 ERA/-39 RSAA in 105 games with 5 teams, from 1992-96 and 1999.

Miller had a 5.44 ERA/-16 RSAA in 105 games with 4 teams, from 1996-2000 (minus 1997).

3) The Indians have a meeting today with Jim Thome and they are expected to make a big offer to him, to try to keep him, although he admit they don't expect to be the highest bidders.

Meanwhile, the Phillies contacted him and his agent as soon as he filed for free agency. Other teams are permitted to contact free agents as soon as they file, but only his team is allowed to discuss contract terms until the players hit the open market.

4) Dodgers LF Brian Jordan officially exercised his right to demand a trade.

5) The Cubs signed P Mike Sirotka to a minor league contract and invited him to spring training.

Sirotka missed the past 2 years, after having surgery on a torn labrum and rotator cuff in April 2001 and another surgery last July. He has a 4.31 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.81, and 40 RSAA in 125 games.

6) The Cardinals declined their option on P Dave Veres.

After 2.85 ERA/15 RSAA and 3.70 ERA/4 RSAA seasons, Veres had a 3.48 ERA/4 RSAA in 71 games. He has a 3.38 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.31, and 86 RSAA in 574 games.

Veres has pitched in exactly 71 games in each of the past 3 years. But, that's not a record for the most games by a pitcher had the same figure for 3 years in a row.

Code:

1    Scott Sullivan      1999-01  79
2    Dave Veres          2000-02  71
3    Buddy Groom         2000-02  70
4    Gene Nelson         1986-88  54
5    Phil Niekro         1977-79  44
6    Joe Hatten          1946-48  42
T7   Ted Lyons           1926-28  39
T7   Warren Spahn        1954-57  39  (4 year streak)
T7   Claude Osteen       1966-68  39
T7   Rick Mahler         1985-88  39  (4 year streak)

7) The Phillies declined their option on P Ricky Bottalico.

After 4.83 ERA/2 RSAA and 3.90 ERA/3 RSAA seasons, Bottalico had a 4.61 ERA/-3 RSAA in 30 games, before having season ending shoulder surgery on June 28. He has a 4.03 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.38, and 24 RSAA in 460 games.

8) According to the LA Daily News, the Dodgers are close to selling P Kevin Beirne to a Japanese team.

9) According to the Washington Post, MLB is working on a deal that would have the Expos play 18-20 games in Puerto Rico next year, for $300,000 a game.

10) According to the NY Times, the Yankees could deal C Jorge Posada, as part of their payroll cutting plan.

hmrsf · 10-31-2002, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by nyy26wc
1) Yankees P Roger Clemens declined his option to remain with the Yankees. Clemens gets $10.3 million for next year, in addition to whatever he gets as a free agent.

After 3.70 ERA/32 RSAA and 3.51 ERA/24 RSAA seasons, Clemens had a 4.35 ERA/0 RSAA in 29 starts. He has a 3.15 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.38, and 603 RSAA in 574 games.

Clemens ranks 5th all time in career RSAA--

Dare I even think it. It would be a dream come come true. Could Roger be coming home......or am I getting my hopes up?

Skip · 10-31-2002, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by hmrsf
Dare I even think it. It would be a dream come come true. Could Roger be coming home......or am I getting my hopes up?

Bill Simmons, for one, would call your dream a NIGHTMARE.

KCBOOMER · 10-31-2002, 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by nyy26wc
1) Yankees P Roger Clemens declined his option to remain with the Yankees. Clemens gets $10.3 million for next year, in addition to whatever he gets as a free agent.

Must be nice to be able to afford to pay a guy $10.3M so he can play elsewhere. Sure am relieved to know that having money is no factor in a team's success.

hmrsf · 10-31-2002, 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by Skip
Bill Simmons, for one, would call your dream a NIGHTMARE.

Excuse me, but I don't know what Bill Simmon has invested in the Boston Red Sox. I have only invested my whole life. I have followed Roger since I was 14 years old. I have patiently waited for him to return back to Boston. If he chooses to come back, I will be one happy gal. Sorry if it will keep up the good Mr Simmons.

10-31-2002, 04:19 PM

You know... You were 14 when you started watching Clemens... isn't your daughter 14? Would that complete a Circle of good Karma?

hmrsf · 10-31-2002, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by CpUltravox
You know... You were 14 when you started watching Clemens... isn't your daughter 14? Would that complete a Circle of good Karma?

That would won't it!

The last time he autographed for me.......he said " I have autographed for you before." I turned red and said "countless times" or something like that. I wonder if he was being nice or remembered me from the charity event or from way back to minor league days. In a way, we kinda grew up together.

Ball players as a rule are very nice people if they are treated nice. I have hundreads of stories like this.

I don't want to get my hopes up but Roger did say a WS ring did not mean all that much as bring it to Boston (way back when). Does he still dream that dream? The guys who bring the championship to Boston will be immortal.

moose · 10-31-2002, 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by KCBOOMER
Must be nice to be able to afford to pay a guy $10.3M so he can play elsewhere. Sure am relieved to know that having money is no factor in a team's success.

they're not paying him to play elsewhere. they took a 2 year, $30 million dollar deal and made it a 3 year deal for cap purposes. he already played the games that earned him the $30 million dollars. so in essence, they're just paying now for what they got last season.

VNV Nation · 10-31-2002, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by moose
they're not paying him to play elsewhere. they took a 2 year, $30 million dollar deal and made it a 3 year deal for cap purposes. he already played the games that earned him the $30 million dollars. so in essence, they're just paying now for what they got last season.

Thank you. I've heard a lot of Yankee fans (not on NDF) complain that Clemens is somehow greedy because he wants more money on top of the $10 million to stay. The $10 million is just a late installment of his 2002 contract.

moose · 10-31-2002, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by VNV Nation
Thank you. I've heard a lot of Yankee fans (not on NDF) complain that Clemens is somehow greedy because he wants more money on top of the $10 million to stay. The $10 million is just a late installment of his 2002 contract.

you're welcome.

gyb13 · 10-31-2002, 06:26 PM

george's option was looking bad the last two years or looking bad now.

soxfan121 · 10-31-2002, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by hmrsf
Excuse me, but I don't know what Bill Simmon has invested in the Boston Red Sox. I have only invested my whole life. I have followed Roger since I was 14 years old. I have patiently waited for him to return back to Boston. If he chooses to come back, I will be one happy gal. Sorry if it will keep up the good Mr Simmons.

Let's just say that there are a some Red Sox fans who would welcome Roger back, and some would not. It doesn't matter how long they've rooted or been invested. Irrelevant.

Here is the link to Mr. Simmons "nightmare": http://espn.go.com/page2/s/simmons/021010.html

Count me in as one of the Red Sox fans who would NOT want the Texas Con Man back in Boston. For a multitude of reasons, I've grown to despise Clemens. Suffice to say, I think Roger Clemens is one of the greatest pitchers in baseball history. But I could never root for him again. He is, to me, one of the three or four worst people in baseball (and yes, I've met him on a few occaisons). I could never cheer for Roger Clemens again. Ever.

Besides, if Clemens actually signs with Boston, not only will I eat my NetShrine hat, but I'll eat the mug as well. There is no way Steinbrenner allows Clemens to get #300 in a Red Sox uniform. There is no way the Red Sox pay him $25+ million over 2 or 3 years. If Clemens leaves, he'll do it because of the money - and he'll end up in Texas, pitching for the Rangers. It's always been about the money for Roger - and that's the biggest reason I hate him.

soxfan121 · 10-31-2002, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by moose
they're not paying him to play elsewhere. they took a 2 year, $30 million dollar deal and made it a 3 year deal for cap purposes. he already played the games that earned him the $30 million dollars. so in essence, they're just paying now for what they got last season.

Cap purposes? Whaaaa?

If anything, the creative accounting was designed to make it look like the NYY club did not spend $170 million on that team last season. It's an accounting trick designed to make it look like, to quote KCBoomer, "... that having money is no factor in a team's success."

moose · 10-31-2002, 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by soxfan121
Cap purposes? Whaaaa?

If anything, the creative accounting was designed to make it look like the NYY club did not spend $170 million on that team last season. It's an accounting trick designed to make it look like, to quote KCBoomer, "... that having money is no factor in a team's success."

george doesn't care how his spending looks. george, like most people, enjoys having money in the pocket rather than money in someone else's pocket.

it's accounting trick used to give george more resources in the past two years, not hide the amount he spends. the entire diamondbacks team will be "paid for not playing" for several years to come.... if the team still exists.

soxfan121 · 10-31-2002, 06:56 PM

Well, it certainly bit him in the behind, as the $10 mil will count towards the NYY luxury tax figure for 2003. Maybe the creative accounting seemed smart at some point, but it sure looks dumb now. If Clemens goes elsewhere, the $10 mil will cost the NYY club an additional $1.75 in luxury tax contributions. Hope it was invested and not in George's pocket.

10-31-2002, 01:24 PM	#1
nyy26wc NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 14,584	Clemens declines his option 1) Yankees P Roger Clemens declined his option to remain with the Yankees. Clemens gets $10.3 million for next year, in addition to whatever he gets as a free agent. After 3.70 ERA/32 RSAA and 3.51 ERA/24 RSAA seasons, Clemens had a 4.35 ERA/0 RSAA in 29 starts. He has a 3.15 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.38, and 603 RSAA in 574 games. Clemens ranks 5th all time in career RSAA-- Code: 1 Cy Young 815 2 Kid Nichols 679 3 Lefty Grove 668 4 Walter Johnson 643 5 Roger Clemens 603 6 Greg Maddux 535 7 Grover C Alexander 523 8 John Clarkson 510 9 Randy Johnson 456 10 Christy Mathewson 409 2) The BlueJays signed Ps Doug Linton and Trever Miller to minor league contracts and invited them to spring training. Linton had a 5.86 ERA/-39 RSAA in 105 games with 5 teams, from 1992-96 and 1999. Miller had a 5.44 ERA/-16 RSAA in 105 games with 4 teams, from 1996-2000 (minus 1997). 3) The Indians have a meeting today with Jim Thome and they are expected to make a big offer to him, to try to keep him, although he admit they don't expect to be the highest bidders. Meanwhile, the Phillies contacted him and his agent as soon as he filed for free agency. Other teams are permitted to contact free agents as soon as they file, but only his team is allowed to discuss contract terms until the players hit the open market. 4) Dodgers LF Brian Jordan officially exercised his right to demand a trade. 5) The Cubs signed P Mike Sirotka to a minor league contract and invited him to spring training. Sirotka missed the past 2 years, after having surgery on a torn labrum and rotator cuff in April 2001 and another surgery last July. He has a 4.31 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.81, and 40 RSAA in 125 games. 6) The Cardinals declined their option on P Dave Veres. After 2.85 ERA/15 RSAA and 3.70 ERA/4 RSAA seasons, Veres had a 3.48 ERA/4 RSAA in 71 games. He has a 3.38 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.31, and 86 RSAA in 574 games. Veres has pitched in exactly 71 games in each of the past 3 years. But, that's not a record for the most games by a pitcher had the same figure for 3 years in a row. Code: 1 Scott Sullivan 1999-01 79 2 Dave Veres 2000-02 71 3 Buddy Groom 2000-02 70 4 Gene Nelson 1986-88 54 5 Phil Niekro 1977-79 44 6 Joe Hatten 1946-48 42 T7 Ted Lyons 1926-28 39 T7 Warren Spahn 1954-57 39 (4 year streak) T7 Claude Osteen 1966-68 39 T7 Rick Mahler 1985-88 39 (4 year streak) 7) The Phillies declined their option on P Ricky Bottalico. After 4.83 ERA/2 RSAA and 3.90 ERA/3 RSAA seasons, Bottalico had a 4.61 ERA/-3 RSAA in 30 games, before having season ending shoulder surgery on June 28. He has a 4.03 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.38, and 24 RSAA in 460 games. 8) According to the LA Daily News, the Dodgers are close to selling P Kevin Beirne to a Japanese team. 9) According to the Washington Post, MLB is working on a deal that would have the Expos play 18-20 games in Puerto Rico next year, for $300,000 a game. 10) According to the NY Times, the Yankees could deal C Jorge Posada, as part of their payroll cutting plan. __________________ Lee Creator, Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. It's powerful, yet extremely easy to use. Features extensive sorting and stat display options. The CBE has many features that are not available in online and printed sources. Has 2006 stats and daily update service for 2007.

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CpUltravox Posts: n/a	You know... You were 14 when you started watching Clemens... isn't your daughter 14? Would that complete a Circle of good Karma?

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soxfan121 Renounced Membership 7/9/03 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Live Free Or Die, USA Posts: 1,335	Well, it certainly bit him in the behind, as the $10 mil will count towards the NYY luxury tax figure for 2003. Maybe the creative accounting seemed smart at some point, but it sure looks dumb now. If Clemens goes elsewhere, the $10 mil will cost the NYY club an additional $1.75 in luxury tax contributions. Hope it was invested and not in George's pocket.

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