No More STATS Inc. Books

Max Power · 10-30-2002, 08:14 PM

STATS Inc. has all but suspended it's publishing operation. No more Handbooks as we know them - - the ones that come out in November. Those little red and green babies are history.

Instead, STATS will now beef up TSN's Register and Guide with additional information.

To be honest, with the SBE-CD, the Red Book was not needed anymore - - - I will miss the Green (Minor League) Book - - - the "Player Profiles" book, never did anything for me.

If STATS cancels the Scouting Notebooks, that would really bite. Still trying to confirm that........

pathogan · 10-31-2002, 12:36 PM

...they are becoming obsolete, though the scouting notebooks are fun[and fuill a void}

poorme · 10-31-2002, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by Max Power
If STATS cancels the Scouting Notebooks, that would really bite.

that would. i think i have every one of those since they started, 1988 I think. one year another company published it though.

RichG · 10-31-2002, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by poorme
that would. i think i have every one of those since they started, 1988 I think. one year another company published it though.

John Sickels has announced there'll be a minor league scouting book next year, though he doesn't have a publisher yet. He might end up publishing it himself.

His email address is JSBN01@AOL.COM

sweaver · 10-31-2002, 06:07 PM

Since Sickels is doing it, it'll be good.

VNV Nation · 10-31-2002, 07:58 PM

i know of someone who's working to publish a new statistical register. one with like insane splits like vs. L/R at home or w/RISP vs. L/R, etc.

well, it's supposed to be a secret or something, for some reason. but it's someone who's been in the business before and i assume he's looking for a publisher. i hope it does come out -- i know someone who was taping 10 games a night working for this guy.

SmedIndy · 10-31-2002, 10:16 PM

You know - I was always called a stat geek because I knew the basic stuff and understood James back in the 80's.

I'm glad I have a life now...I don't think I'd really want to read a book with all those damn splits. Where's the analysis? The comments? The way to put it all together?

10-31-2002, 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by SmedIndy
Where's the analysis? The comments? The way to put it all together?

Smed, I wouldn't expect to see this coming from you. I thought you were more of a "Draw your own conclusions" type of guy.

I for one, enjoy the statistical register. I trust my eyes and my analysis FAR more than others. It's one of the reasons I've grown to be so annoyed with BP. I was counting on those books this year, because I've sworn off the infernal Prospectus. It's why I like Lee's stats.

SmedIndy · 11-01-2002, 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by CpUltravox
Smed, I wouldn't expect to see this coming from you. I thought you were more of a "Draw your own conclusions" type of guy.

I for one, enjoy the statistical register. I trust my eyes and my analysis FAR more than others. It's one of the reasons I've grown to be so annoyed with BP. I was counting on those books this year, because I've sworn off the infernal Prospectus. It's why I like Lee's stats.

I've always liked analysis with the raw data - my favorite part of the James Abstracts were the player rankings and comments.

You can read the analysis and still draw your own conclusions. Much like reading the news.

Craig S. · 11-01-2002, 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by SmedIndy
I've always liked analysis with the raw data - my favorite part of the James Abstracts were the player rankings and comments.

You can read the analysis and still draw your own conclusions. Much like reading the news.

I'm with you on that one. I like some explanation or point of argument to go with the numbers.

poorme · 11-01-2002, 11:27 AM

Smed, it's a reference book. You don't sit down and READ it. You REFER to it.

All that data is still going to be available online. I think on the ESPN site. I personally find it sad that books are being replaced by the internet, but then again, I never bought one of them.

SmedIndy · 11-01-2002, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by poorme
Smed, it's a reference book. You don't sit down and READ it. You REFER to it.

So I was wrong in devouring the Macmillan start to finish when a new edition comes out????

Sorry, it have enough value add to me over traditional reference materials, and now that Lee has his gem, it's gone.

sweaver · 11-01-2002, 02:53 PM

Rob Neyer's column today was on the demise of the Major League Handbook. Here's the link: http://espn.go.com/mlb/columns/neyer_rob/1454225.html

pwdennis · 11-01-2002, 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by poorme
Smed, it's a reference book. You don't sit down and READ it. You REFER to it.

Speak for your self

Maybe you don't sit down and read it but I do !

I treasured the damn thing - couldn't wait to get it home and give it at least a decent once over, and if I picked it up on a weekend, I would spend several hours pouring over it

Max Power · 12-24-2002, 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by RichG
John Sickels has announced there'll be a minor league scouting book next year, though he doesn't have a publisher yet. He might end up publishing it himself.[/email]

FYI - John is doing it himself - - I just ordered a copy:

http://www.mastersball.com/sickels/

10-30-2002, 08:14 PM	#1
Max Power NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: May 2002 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 5,548	No More STATS Inc. Books STATS Inc. has all but suspended it's publishing operation. No more Handbooks as we know them - - the ones that come out in November. Those little red and green babies are history. Instead, STATS will now beef up TSN's Register and Guide with additional information. To be honest, with the SBE-CD, the Red Book was not needed anymore - - - I will miss the Green (Minor League) Book - - - the "Player Profiles" book, never did anything for me. If STATS cancels the Scouting Notebooks, that would really bite. Still trying to confirm that........ __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator "They come and they go, Hobbs. They come and they go." That's why there's NetShrine.com

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sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Since Sickels is doing it, it'll be good.

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VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	i know of someone who's working to publish a new statistical register. one with like insane splits like vs. L/R at home or w/RISP vs. L/R, etc. well, it's supposed to be a secret or something, for some reason. but it's someone who's been in the business before and i assume he's looking for a publisher. i hope it does come out -- i know someone who was taping 10 games a night working for this guy.

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SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	You know - I was always called a stat geek because I knew the basic stuff and understood James back in the 80's. I'm glad I have a life now...I don't think I'd really want to read a book with all those damn splits. Where's the analysis? The comments? The way to put it all together?

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poorme Guest Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: washington dc Posts: 2,625	Smed, it's a reference book. You don't sit down and READ it. You REFER to it. All that data is still going to be available online. I think on the ESPN site. I personally find it sad that books are being replaced by the internet, but then again, I never bought one of them.

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