Mannymania - Page 4

moose · 10-29-2002, 09:03 PM

bottom line, players that self-promote to the media (sosa, schilling) will often get more recognition than those who don't (ramirez)

VNV Nation · 10-30-2002, 11:35 AM

gyb13 · 10-30-2002, 11:43 AM

i think we've established that VNV is in fact, Curt Schilling's e-nomme de plume

VNV Nation · 10-30-2002, 11:46 AM

Nah I think it would be something like Argandrival Silvercloud, 39th-level bladesinger of Evermeet.

Skip · 10-30-2002, 11:50 AM

[sarcasm] Manny? Anyone remember Manny? Ramirez? Red Sox? Yoo hoo? [/sarcasm]

VNV Nation · 10-30-2002, 11:56 AM

Sorry.

Manny's Urizekel Bondobar 30th-level barbarian from the frozen north. he gets -2 penalty to all DEX checks.

moose · 10-30-2002, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by VNV Nation

are you splatting because you disagree that self-promoters get more recognition, or just because of my attaching a negative connotation to an ex-phillie who plays everquest

Skip · 10-30-2002, 01:22 PM

Topic. Topic. Topic.

soxfan121 · 10-30-2002, 01:28 PM

Manny Ramirez is both an airhead and a Latin player who might be underrated because of his lack of self-promotion. Discuss.

10-30-2002, 01:36 PM

This thread has the feel of the 7th hour of television coverage of the "Dog chasing tail competition."

VNV Nation · 10-30-2002, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by soxfan121
Manny Ramirez is both an airhead and a Latin player who might be underrated because of his lack of self-promotion. Discuss.

Perceptions and labels can often change. Ted Williams was reviled, Pete Rose was worshiped and Joe DiMaggio was first a greedy punk and then a national icon and then...

All of these perceptions changed over time. I suspect that Manny will go down as one of the most beloved Red Sox by the end of his career (if he stays there). in 20 years, the only thing people will talk about are his 1,900 RBIs and his .406 career OBP.

soxfan121 · 10-30-2002, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VNV Nation
Perceptions and labels can often change. Ted Williams was reviled, Pete Rose was worshiped and Joe DiMaggio was first a greedy punk and then a national icon and then...

All of these perceptions changed over time. I suspect that Manny will go down as one of the most beloved Red Sox by the end of his career (if he stays there). in 20 years, the only thing people will talk about are his 1,900 RBIs and his .406 career OBP.

I tend to agree. I also think that Manny Ramirez will leave behind little to no "leagacy" beyond his numbers. He just isn't the sort to inspire poets and lyricists.

However, he will become revered among the "stathead cogniscenti" (is that right, VNV?) for his abilities. If he stays in the 'Top 10' OPS leaders of all time, he'll be the most anonymous and least-storied of all those names. This can and will be attributed to his reputation as "an airhead" and his lack of traditional charisma (ever seen a Manny interview? painful...)

VNV Nation · 10-30-2002, 02:23 PM

cognoscenti? cognescente?

i dunno, it's some foreign word

Skip · 10-30-2002, 02:36 PM

I'd tell you, but I'm on spelling probation.

VNV Nation · 10-30-2002, 02:43 PM

every once in a while we all need to live outside of our instincts and prejudices lest we become caricatures of ourselves.

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10-29-2002, 09:03 PM	#46
moose Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Socs Posts: 3,400	bottom line, players that self-promote to the media (sosa, schilling) will often get more recognition than those who don't (ramirez)

10-30-2002, 11:35 AM	#47
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10-30-2002, 11:46 AM	#49
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	Nah I think it would be something like Argandrival Silvercloud, 39th-level bladesinger of Evermeet.

10-30-2002, 11:50 AM	#50
Skip NetShrine Vagabond Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Louisville Posts: 7,866	[sarcasm] Manny? Anyone remember Manny? Ramirez? Red Sox? Yoo hoo? [/sarcasm]

10-30-2002, 11:56 AM	#51
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	Sorry. Manny's Urizekel Bondobar 30th-level barbarian from the frozen north. he gets -2 penalty to all DEX checks.

10-30-2002, 01:22 PM	#53
Skip NetShrine Vagabond Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Louisville Posts: 7,866	Topic. Topic. Topic.

10-30-2002, 01:28 PM	#54
soxfan121 Renounced Membership 7/9/03 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Live Free Or Die, USA Posts: 1,335	Manny Ramirez is both an airhead and a Latin player who might be underrated because of his lack of self-promotion. Discuss.

10-30-2002, 01:36 PM	#55
CpUltravox Posts: n/a	This thread has the feel of the 7th hour of television coverage of the "Dog chasing tail competition."

10-30-2002, 02:23 PM	#58
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	cognoscenti? cognescente? i dunno, it's some foreign word

10-30-2002, 02:36 PM	#59
Skip NetShrine Vagabond Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Louisville Posts: 7,866	I'd tell you, but I'm on spelling probation.

10-30-2002, 02:43 PM	#60
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	every once in a while we all need to live outside of our instincts and prejudices lest we become caricatures of ourselves.

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