AL Babe Ruth Award

nyy26wc · 10-23-2002, 12:06 AM

The votes are in and Jim Thome has unanimously been named the AL Babe Ruth Award winner, as Baseball Immortals version of the MVP. Thome was listed as #1 on all one of the ballots.

Thome led the AL in RCAA by a comfortable 88-75 edge over Jason Giambi. He also led the AL in OPS (1.122), RC (152--tied for the lead), HR/100 OUTS (14.99), HR/100 PA (8.48), HR/100 AB (10.83), BB (122), SLG (.677), OWP (.829), RC/G (11.83), ISO (.373), SEC (.625), TA (1.323) and BPA (.728), and finished 2nd in OBA (.445), HR (52) and IBB (18--tied).

The reigning winner, Jason Giambi (.598 SLG, .435 OBA, 1.034 OPS, 75 RCAA) was a strong candidate for the award before Thome pulled away in September and Manny Ramirez, the 1999 winner, could have been an excellent candidate if he hadn't missed 42 games (.647 SLG, .450 OBA, 1.097 OPS, 73 RCAA).

Alex Rodriguez had no shot at winning. Rodriguez tied Thome for the AL lead with 152 runs created, but Rodriguez used 117 more outs than Thome. Rodriguez also had 117 more PA, so that's the equivalent of Thome's performance plus an 0 for 117 streak ended in. Meanwhile, Rodriguez achieved his totals in an extremely friendly hitters park (126 park factor), while Cleveland was only slightly favorable to offense (103 park factor).

Thome became the 2nd Indians player in 4 years to win the award, joining Ramirez. Prior to them, the only other Indians to win were Nap Lajoie (1903), Elmer Flick (1905), Joe Jackson (1913), Tris Speaker (1916), Larry Doby (1950) and Al Rosen (1953).

AL BABE RUTH AWARD WINNERS

1901--Nap Lajoie
1902--Ed Delahanty
1903--Nap Lajoie
1904--Nap Lajoie
1905--Elmer Flick
1906--George Stone
1907--Ty Cobb
1908--Ty Cobb
1909--Ty Cobb
1910--Ty Cobb
1911--Ty Cobb
1912--Tris Speaker
1913--Joe Jackson
1914--Tris Speaker
1915--Ty Cobb
1916--Tris Speaker
1917--Ty Cobb
1918--Ty Cobb
1919--Babe Ruth
1920--Babe Ruth
1921--Babe Ruth
1922--George Sisler
1923--Babe Ruth
1924--Babe Ruth
1925--Harry Heilmann
1926--Babe Ruth
1927--Babe Ruth
1928--Babe Ruth
1929--Babe Ruth
1930--Babe Ruth
1931--Babe Ruth
1932--Jimmie Foxx
1933--Jimmie Foxx
1934--Lou Gehrig
1935--Jimmie Foxx
1936--Lou Gehrig
1937--Lou Gehrig
1938--Jimmie Foxx
1939--Joe DiMaggio
1940--Hank Greenberg
1941--Ted Williams
1942--Ted Williams
1943--Charlie Keller
1944--Bob Johnson
1945--Snuffy Stirnweiss
1946--Ted Williams
1947--Ted Williams
1948--Ted Williams
1949--Ted Williams
1950--Larry Doby
1951--Ted Williams
1952--Mickey Mantle
1953--Al Rosen
1954--Ted Williams
1955--Mickey Mantle
1956--Mickey Mantle
1957--Mickey Mantle
1958--Mickey Mantle
1959--Mickey Mantle
1960--Mickey Mantle
1961--Mickey Mantle
1962--Mickey Mantle
1963--Bob Allison
1964--Mickey Mantle
1965--Tony Oliva
1966--Frank Robinson
1967--Carl Yastrzemski
1968--Carl Yastrzemski
1969--Reggie Jackson
1970--Carl Yastrzemski
1971--Bobby Murcer
1972--Dick Allen
1973--Reggie Jackson
1974--Reggie Jackson
1975--John Mayberry
1976--George Brett
1977--Rod Carew
1978--Jim Rice
1979--Fred Lynn
1980--George Brett
1981--Dwight Evans
1982--Robin Yount
1983--Wade Boggs
1984--Eddie Murray
1985--George Brett
1986--Don Mattingly
1987--Wade Boggs
1988--Wade Boggs
1989--Fred McGriff
1990--Rickey Henderson
1991--Frank Thomas
1992--Frank Thomas
1993--John Olerud
1994--Frank Thomas
1995--Edgar Martinez
1996--Mark McGwire
1997--Frank Thomas
1998--Albert Belle
1999--Manny Ramirez
2000--Carlos Delgado
2001--Jason Giambi
2002--Jim Thome

hmrsf · 10-23-2002, 02:17 AM

Hehehehe! I so agree! I was thinking along the same lines.

Thome had an amazing season. Manny had a "what could been." Thanks Lee!

KCBOOMER · 10-23-2002, 10:52 AM

Really interesting since Thome has only a slightly better chance than I do of winning the MVP award. It's always good to stand back and look at the numbers rather than listen to the ESPN talking heads.

gyb13 · 10-23-2002, 12:48 PM

this award only rewards hitting prowess, right?

nyy26wc · 10-23-2002, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by gyb13
this award only rewards hitting prowess, right?

In the absolute closest of cases, fielding would get considered. But, I can't think of any examples in which that happened.

hmrsf · 10-24-2002, 11:14 AM

Correct me if I am wrong but the Dewey Evans year? He won one, no? Was fielding a factor?

nyy26wc · 10-24-2002, 12:22 PM

Evans won in 1981.

He had a comfortable lead in RCAA (7, but with 1/3 of the season wiped out, that's the equivalent of a double digit figure win). He had a comfortable lead in runs created, runs created/game, lead the league in OPS, had one of just 3 .400+ OBAs in the league.

Fielding could have put him over the top, if the race was closer, but there was enough there for him to not need that boost.

hmrsf · 10-24-2002, 12:38 PM

I know.....but I like to have someone else say it other than me.

Your Babe Ruth award also corrects some wrongs done by the MVP. Just like your baseball immortals corrects the HOF slights!! I call Lee and Steve the patron saints of the under appreciated baseball players.

nyy26wc · 10-25-2002, 12:03 AM

And I'm also the prosecutor of the overrated.

moose · 10-25-2002, 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by nyy26wc
And I'm also the prosecutor of the overrated.

always wanted to play prosecutor, didya?

nyy26wc · 10-25-2002, 12:47 AM

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Originally posted by moose
always wanted to play prosecutor, didya?

NO WAY!!!!!!!!!

I still have animosity towards prosecutors from my days as a Public Defender.

But, the evidence does show that I have become the prosecutor of the overrated.

I'm also definitely the prosecutor of the media and of the stupid. And those cases, I think I'd like to prosecute.

moose · 10-25-2002, 01:05 AM

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Originally posted by nyy26wc
I'm also definitely the prosecutor of the media and of the stupid. And those cases, I think I'd like to prosecute.

there's nothing like a slam dunk...

nyy26wc · 10-25-2002, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by moose
there's nothing like a slam dunk...

The problem is it's far from a slam dunk.

In the eyes of the public, the general wisdom is the truth. So, it has to constantly be drilled into people that was the media drills into them is wrong before people see the real truth.

VNV Nation · 10-28-2002, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by nyy26wc

Alex Rodriguez had no shot at winning. Rodriguez tied Thome for the AL lead with 152 runs created, but Rodriguez used 117 more outs than Thome. Rodriguez also had 117 more PA, so that's the equivalent of Thome's performance plus an 0 for 117 streak ended in.

there's a slight miscalcuation here. if you take Thome and add in a 0-for-117 then his RC total would drop far below A-Rod's total. A-Rod's A factor and B factor are both superior to Thome's, drastically so, and if you make the outs closer to even, then A-Rod would be dramatically ahead. (an 0-for-117 streak would drop Thome's OPS below 1000)

you're right about the park effects though.

10-23-2002, 02:17 AM	#2
hmrsf forum mom Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: relocation Posts: 4,298	Hehehehe! I so agree! I was thinking along the same lines. Thome had an amazing season. Manny had a "what could been." Thanks Lee! __________________ NDF who shares good karma! Get a coaster! My cup is not only 1/2 full it is brimming! We don't need no stinking Arods! Last edited by hmrsf : 10-23-2002 at 02:25 AM.

10-23-2002, 10:52 AM	#3
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	Really interesting since Thome has only a slightly better chance than I do of winning the MVP award. It's always good to stand back and look at the numbers rather than listen to the ESPN talking heads. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball* Last edited by KCBOOMER : 10-24-2002 at 01:45 PM.

10-23-2002, 12:48 PM	#4
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	this award only rewards hitting prowess, right? __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

10-24-2002, 11:14 AM	#6
hmrsf forum mom Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: relocation Posts: 4,298	Correct me if I am wrong but the Dewey Evans year? He won one, no? Was fielding a factor? __________________ NDF who shares good karma! Get a coaster! My cup is not only 1/2 full it is brimming! We don't need no stinking Arods!

10-24-2002, 12:22 PM	#7
nyy26wc NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 14,584	Evans won in 1981. He had a comfortable lead in RCAA (7, but with 1/3 of the season wiped out, that's the equivalent of a double digit figure win). He had a comfortable lead in runs created, runs created/game, lead the league in OPS, had one of just 3 .400+ OBAs in the league. Fielding could have put him over the top, if the race was closer, but there was enough there for him to not need that boost. __________________ Lee Creator, Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. It's powerful, yet extremely easy to use. Features extensive sorting and stat display options. The CBE has many features that are not available in online and printed sources. Has 2006 stats and daily update service for 2007.

10-23-2002, 12:06 AM	#1
nyy26wc NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 14,584	AL Babe Ruth Award The votes are in and Jim Thome has unanimously been named the AL Babe Ruth Award winner, as Baseball Immortals version of the MVP. Thome was listed as #1 on all one of the ballots. Thome led the AL in RCAA by a comfortable 88-75 edge over Jason Giambi. He also led the AL in OPS (1.122), RC (152--tied for the lead), HR/100 OUTS (14.99), HR/100 PA (8.48), HR/100 AB (10.83), BB (122), SLG (.677), OWP (.829), RC/G (11.83), ISO (.373), SEC (.625), TA (1.323) and BPA (.728), and finished 2nd in OBA (.445), HR (52) and IBB (18--tied). The reigning winner, Jason Giambi (.598 SLG, .435 OBA, 1.034 OPS, 75 RCAA) was a strong candidate for the award before Thome pulled away in September and Manny Ramirez, the 1999 winner, could have been an excellent candidate if he hadn't missed 42 games (.647 SLG, .450 OBA, 1.097 OPS, 73 RCAA). Alex Rodriguez had no shot at winning. Rodriguez tied Thome for the AL lead with 152 runs created, but Rodriguez used 117 more outs than Thome. Rodriguez also had 117 more PA, so that's the equivalent of Thome's performance plus an 0 for 117 streak ended in. Meanwhile, Rodriguez achieved his totals in an extremely friendly hitters park (126 park factor), while Cleveland was only slightly favorable to offense (103 park factor). Thome became the 2nd Indians player in 4 years to win the award, joining Ramirez. Prior to them, the only other Indians to win were Nap Lajoie (1903), Elmer Flick (1905), Joe Jackson (1913), Tris Speaker (1916), Larry Doby (1950) and Al Rosen (1953). AL BABE RUTH AWARD WINNERS 1901--Nap Lajoie 1902--Ed Delahanty 1903--Nap Lajoie 1904--Nap Lajoie 1905--Elmer Flick 1906--George Stone 1907--Ty Cobb 1908--Ty Cobb 1909--Ty Cobb 1910--Ty Cobb 1911--Ty Cobb 1912--Tris Speaker 1913--Joe Jackson 1914--Tris Speaker 1915--Ty Cobb 1916--Tris Speaker 1917--Ty Cobb 1918--Ty Cobb 1919--Babe Ruth 1920--Babe Ruth 1921--Babe Ruth 1922--George Sisler 1923--Babe Ruth 1924--Babe Ruth 1925--Harry Heilmann 1926--Babe Ruth 1927--Babe Ruth 1928--Babe Ruth 1929--Babe Ruth 1930--Babe Ruth 1931--Babe Ruth 1932--Jimmie Foxx 1933--Jimmie Foxx 1934--Lou Gehrig 1935--Jimmie Foxx 1936--Lou Gehrig 1937--Lou Gehrig 1938--Jimmie Foxx 1939--Joe DiMaggio 1940--Hank Greenberg 1941--Ted Williams 1942--Ted Williams 1943--Charlie Keller 1944--Bob Johnson 1945--Snuffy Stirnweiss 1946--Ted Williams 1947--Ted Williams 1948--Ted Williams 1949--Ted Williams 1950--Larry Doby 1951--Ted Williams 1952--Mickey Mantle 1953--Al Rosen 1954--Ted Williams 1955--Mickey Mantle 1956--Mickey Mantle 1957--Mickey Mantle 1958--Mickey Mantle 1959--Mickey Mantle 1960--Mickey Mantle 1961--Mickey Mantle 1962--Mickey Mantle 1963--Bob Allison 1964--Mickey Mantle 1965--Tony Oliva 1966--Frank Robinson 1967--Carl Yastrzemski 1968--Carl Yastrzemski 1969--Reggie Jackson 1970--Carl Yastrzemski 1971--Bobby Murcer 1972--Dick Allen 1973--Reggie Jackson 1974--Reggie Jackson 1975--John Mayberry 1976--George Brett 1977--Rod Carew 1978--Jim Rice 1979--Fred Lynn 1980--George Brett 1981--Dwight Evans 1982--Robin Yount 1983--Wade Boggs 1984--Eddie Murray 1985--George Brett 1986--Don Mattingly 1987--Wade Boggs 1988--Wade Boggs 1989--Fred McGriff 1990--Rickey Henderson 1991--Frank Thomas 1992--Frank Thomas 1993--John Olerud 1994--Frank Thomas 1995--Edgar Martinez 1996--Mark McGwire 1997--Frank Thomas 1998--Albert Belle 1999--Manny Ramirez 2000--Carlos Delgado 2001--Jason Giambi 2002--Jim Thome __________________ Lee Creator, Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. It's powerful, yet extremely easy to use. Features extensive sorting and stat display options. The CBE has many features that are not available in online and printed sources. Has 2006 stats and daily update service for 2007. Last edited by nyy26wc : 10-23-2002 at 12:12 AM.

10-24-2002, 12:38 PM	#8
hmrsf forum mom Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: relocation Posts: 4,298	I know.....but I like to have someone else say it other than me. Your Babe Ruth award also corrects some wrongs done by the MVP. Just like your baseball immortals corrects the HOF slights!! I call Lee and Steve the patron saints of the under appreciated baseball players. __________________ NDF who shares good karma! Get a coaster! My cup is not only 1/2 full it is brimming! We don't need no stinking Arods! Last edited by hmrsf : 10-24-2002 at 12:40 PM.

10-25-2002, 12:03 AM	#9
nyy26wc NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 14,584	And I'm also the prosecutor of the overrated. __________________ Lee Creator, Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. It's powerful, yet extremely easy to use. Features extensive sorting and stat display options. The CBE has many features that are not available in online and printed sources. Has 2006 stats and daily update service for 2007.

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