Orel for HOF?

qtlaw · 09-25-2002, 03:12 PM

I was watching Game 6 of the 1985 NLCS on Monday night on ESPN Classic and was wondering whether Orel is a HOFer. What do you think? I hated the Dodgers but got to thinking that maybe so. He had quite a run in the 80's but he only won 20 once (plus19-3 in 1985). However, that scoreless streak is astounding. I say almost but no.

Ytown Tribe fan · 09-25-2002, 03:19 PM

Hmm...

Nope.

rcartman28 · 09-25-2002, 03:34 PM

Close, but no cigar....

KCBOOMER · 09-25-2002, 03:57 PM

Not without purchasing a ticket.

poorme · 09-25-2002, 04:01 PM

what a shame it was when his arm blew out. damn was he a good pitcher for a few years. IMO he single handledly dragged the dodgers to a championship.

he might make the poorme HOF, but won't make the one in Cooperstown.

MDC · 09-25-2002, 04:32 PM

Nope. Always good to see a fan advocating the enshrinement of a favourite but Orel's case is flimsy in the extreme.

Barely 200 wins, one Cy Young does not a HOFer maketh.

SmedIndy · 09-25-2002, 04:37 PM

He'd be crowbar-able if he was inducted.

Be next to Jesse Haines on my list.

Skip · 09-25-2002, 05:16 PM

Orel was the only Dodger of the past thirty years I recall actually liking and rooting for. But he's not a HOFer.

09-25-2002, 05:17 PM

Orel was a nice guy and had one really great year. Not even close, though, to a Hall of Fame career.

LeGrandOrange · 09-25-2002, 06:21 PM

I like Orel, and the fact he's recognizable helps too.
You CAN make a case for him, but even in my expanded scope of the Hall, he's not in right now at the moment.

Fuzzy Bear · 09-25-2002, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LeGrandOrange
I like Orel, and the fact he's recognizable helps too.
You CAN make a case for him, but even in my expanded scope of the Hall, he's not in right now at the moment.

You CAN make a case for Orel! That needs to be said.

Orel's case is dependent on two things:

1. Peak value (needs no explaining).

2. Tough luck. In 1987 and 1989 Orel's ERA was WAY, WAY below league (3rd in the NL in '87, 2nd in '89), yet he was .500 both years. This indicates that Orel pitched in extended tough luck in two years where, with normal luck, he may have won
18-20 games.

Orel would not be the worst pitcher in the HOF. Not by a longshot.

But there is NO WAY that Orel will EVER be 1st or 2nd or 3rd in line for the HOF for pitchers. As soon as John, Kaat, and Blyleven go in, there will be other's to take their place. I personally rate Ron Guidry ahead of Orel. Cuellar and McNally had better ERAs vs. league, and, of course, won 20 games far more often.

So you CAN make a case for Orel. It won't be good enough, though, unless we can resurrect Frankie Frisch, put him back on the Vets Committee, and airbrush a Gas House Gang-era Cards uniform on all pictures of Orel.

Max Power · 09-25-2002, 08:09 PM

If he goes in, folks will start yapping about Frank Viola.

Duque · 09-25-2002, 08:18 PM

Or David Cone. Or Dwight Gooden.

LeGrandOrange · 09-25-2002, 08:29 PM

Hey, I'd put in Cone right now, and I'm on the right side of the fence with Gooden. Viola can't even make the fence IMO.

But that's just what I feel.

JamesI · 09-25-2002, 09:36 PM

While putting Orel in might feel good since he had that great year, and seems to be a likeable guy, he is not a hall of famer.

09-25-2002, 03:12 PM	#1
qtlaw Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: El Cerrito, CA Posts: 668	Orel for HOF? I was watching Game 6 of the 1985 NLCS on Monday night on ESPN Classic and was wondering whether Orel is a HOFer. What do you think? I hated the Dodgers but got to thinking that maybe so. He had quite a run in the 80's but he only won 20 once (plus19-3 in 1985). However, that scoreless streak is astounding. I say almost but no.

09-25-2002, 03:34 PM	#3
rcartman28 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hudson, WI Posts: 1,408	Close, but no cigar.... __________________ I would have looked out for the water main. But that's just me..... Brett Favre

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KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	Not without purchasing a ticket. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

09-25-2002, 04:32 PM	#6
MDC NetShrine Rookie Of The Year Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Glasgow, Scaaaaaaaatland Posts: 69	Nope. Always good to see a fan advocating the enshrinement of a favourite but Orel's case is flimsy in the extreme. Barely 200 wins, one Cy Young does not a HOFer maketh. __________________ A kilt is not a skirt.

09-25-2002, 08:09 PM	#12
Max Power NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: May 2002 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 5,548	If he goes in, folks will start yapping about Frank Viola. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator "They come and they go, Hobbs. They come and they go." That's why there's NetShrine.com

09-25-2002, 03:19 PM	#2
Ytown Tribe fan Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Scrappers territory Posts: 2,515	Hmm... Nope.

09-25-2002, 04:01 PM	#5
poorme Guest Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: washington dc Posts: 2,625	what a shame it was when his arm blew out. damn was he a good pitcher for a few years. IMO he single handledly dragged the dodgers to a championship. he might make the poorme HOF, but won't make the one in Cooperstown.

09-25-2002, 04:37 PM	#7
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	He'd be crowbar-able if he was inducted. Be next to Jesse Haines on my list.

09-25-2002, 05:16 PM	#8
Skip NetShrine Vagabond Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Louisville Posts: 7,866	Orel was the only Dodger of the past thirty years I recall actually liking and rooting for. But he's not a HOFer.

09-25-2002, 05:17 PM	#9
BigKlu Posts: n/a	Orel was a nice guy and had one really great year. Not even close, though, to a Hall of Fame career.

09-25-2002, 06:21 PM	#10
LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	I like Orel, and the fact he's recognizable helps too. You CAN make a case for him, but even in my expanded scope of the Hall, he's not in right now at the moment.

09-25-2002, 08:18 PM	#13
Duque NetShrine's Desperado Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Southern CA Posts: 2,638	Or David Cone. Or Dwight Gooden. __________________ Bad Andy It's such a fine line between stupid and clever.

09-25-2002, 08:29 PM	#14
LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	Hey, I'd put in Cone right now, and I'm on the right side of the fence with Gooden. Viola can't even make the fence IMO. But that's just what I feel.

09-25-2002, 09:36 PM	#15
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	While putting Orel in might feel good since he had that great year, and seems to be a likeable guy, he is not a hall of famer.

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