New Draft Rules [Merged Threads]

poorme · 09-04-2002, 10:23 AM

I copied the following question from Baseball America. Jim Callis responds. Here's the link: http://www.baseballamerica.com/onlin...sts/askba.html

I wanted to know how the new labor deal will affect the draft. I know that the deal called for a draft suggestion committee, but I also heard that they ended the compensation round as well as gave teams corresponding picks in next year's draft if they fail to sign this year's picks. Are there any other implications?

Matthew Rhodes
Washington, D.C.

The agreement between the players and owners contains three provisions that will have an effect on the draft:

1. Both sides will form a committee that will try to finalize a worldwide draft for June 2003. Among the issues the committee will have to resolve are the number of rounds, which figures to fall between 20 (the players' proposal) and 38 (the owners' counter), down from the current 50 in the domestic draft. The committee also will decide whether teams should be permitted to trade draft picks and whether clubs' negotiating rights to different classes of players will change. As I discussed in the July 23 Ask BA, I believe a worldwide draft will cause more problems than it will solve. I'm for the trading of draft picks, though it will lead to agents blackmailing teams into dealing high-priced prospects to the larger-revenue teams unless mandatory bonus slotting is instituted.

2. Team that fail to sign their first-round pick no longer will get a supplemental first-round pick the following year. Instead, they will get a bonus first-round pick immediately following the overall selection corresponding to the player they failed to sign. In other words, should the Orioles not come to terms with 2002's No. 4 overall pick, Adam Loewen, they'll get an extra first-round pick following the fourth choice in 2003. This will allow teams to exert even more leverage when trying to sign first-rounders, an issue I tackled in the August 27 Ask BA. Teams are starting to hold their ground more than they have in the past, and this will help their cause.

3. The most important ramification for the draft is the elimination of compensation picks for the loss of quality (Type A, B or C) free agents. This means that once the joint committee resolves the issues mentioned above, the players could have no say in determining draft rules, which fall outside the Basic Agreement. This would allow owners to put in NBA-style mandatory bonus slotting without the union having to approve it. While the players as a whole would like to see draft bonuses reduced so more money would trickle up to them, they don't want to come out publicly in favor of restricting any kind of free market.

tortured angel · 09-04-2002, 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by poorme

As I discussed in the July 23 Ask BA, I believe a worldwide draft will cause more problems than it will solve.

Won't this kill any incentive the teams had to develop talent outside the US? A lot of teams have a lot of money invested in this just to see their players drafted elsewhere.

poorme · 09-04-2002, 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by tortured angel
Won't this kill any incentive the teams had to develop talent outside the US? A lot of teams have a lot of money invested in this just to see their players drafted elsewhere.

perhaps, but if the owners had any sense (ha, ha, ha, ha, oh, ach, <choke>, ahem) they would set up MLB academies throughout latin america, asia, etc.

VNV Nation · 09-04-2002, 12:33 PM

The players sold out Scott Boras.

poorme · 09-04-2002, 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by VNV Nation
The players sold out Scott Boras.

right. poor guy.

what a brilliant move by the owners. they are going to save TONS of dinero. could this somehow revive the minor leagues? what if a player says f.u. and plays independent ball for like 5 years. would he still be draft eligible or would he be a free agent?

VNV Nation · 09-04-2002, 01:07 PM

Hmm. No.

You think someone would pass up even $500,000 to play in an independent?

poorme · 09-04-2002, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by VNV Nation
Hmm. No.

You think someone would pass up even $500,000 to play in an independent?

yeah, if I thought I could make $10 million in a few years. I just don't know what the rules are.

what if mark prior didn't sign and played in the independent leagues? how long until he would be a free agent? ever? he could be 35 and would still have to be drafted?

VNV Nation · 09-04-2002, 01:39 PM

after five years in an independent league -- probably the equivalent of low A ball -- you wouldn't be good enough to be a prospect anymore.

SmedIndy · 09-04-2002, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by poorme
what if mark prior didn't sign and played in the independent leagues? how long until he would be a free agent? ever? he could be 35 and would still have to be drafted?

He'd have to go back into the draft each year (see Matt Harrington for an example) but I think if he's undrafted one year he's then a free agent.

poorme · 09-04-2002, 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by SmedIndy
He'd have to go back into the draft each year (see Matt Harrington for an example) but I think if he's undrafted one year he's then a free agent.

oh man. the teams have the players over a barrell now. i wonder if they have some legal recourse. i'm sure mr. boras is looking into it.

KCBOOMER · 09-04-2002, 02:54 PM

This is the deal about whose ox is being gored. The current players hate to see money spent/wasted on guys who haven't played a minute of ball. Naturally the draftees would like an open market. Slotting seems to be a reasonable compromise between the two.

Anything that screws Scott Boras I'm for.

poorme · 09-04-2002, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by KCBOOMER
Slotting seems to be a reasonable compromise between the two.

depends what numbers are plugged into the slots. what does a top five pick get nowadays? 1.5 - 2.0 million? the teams could start out at $500,000 and go down from there.

VNV Nation · 09-04-2002, 02:59 PM

So much for all that talk about free markets and future generations.

thomasstearns · 09-04-2002, 04:44 PM

http://espn.go.com/mlb/columns/neyer_rob/1427057.html

Neyer points out the somewhat obvious--The new no-free-agent-compensation-pick kills the A's (and other teams that can't sign their home grown stars).

He points out that the Durham done with the old rule in mind. I would add the Lilly deal to that list.

VNV Nation · 09-04-2002, 04:58 PM

a concession to the players who seek a totally unfettered free agent system.

09-04-2002, 10:23 AM	#1
poorme Guest Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: washington dc Posts: 2,625	Very Interesting Draft Ramifications I copied the following question from Baseball America. Jim Callis responds. Here's the link: http://www.baseballamerica.com/onlin...sts/askba.html I wanted to know how the new labor deal will affect the draft. I know that the deal called for a draft suggestion committee, but I also heard that they ended the compensation round as well as gave teams corresponding picks in next year's draft if they fail to sign this year's picks. Are there any other implications? Matthew Rhodes Washington, D.C. The agreement between the players and owners contains three provisions that will have an effect on the draft: 1. Both sides will form a committee that will try to finalize a worldwide draft for June 2003. Among the issues the committee will have to resolve are the number of rounds, which figures to fall between 20 (the players' proposal) and 38 (the owners' counter), down from the current 50 in the domestic draft. The committee also will decide whether teams should be permitted to trade draft picks and whether clubs' negotiating rights to different classes of players will change. As I discussed in the July 23 Ask BA, I believe a worldwide draft will cause more problems than it will solve. I'm for the trading of draft picks, though it will lead to agents blackmailing teams into dealing high-priced prospects to the larger-revenue teams unless mandatory bonus slotting is instituted. 2. Team that fail to sign their first-round pick no longer will get a supplemental first-round pick the following year. Instead, they will get a bonus first-round pick immediately following the overall selection corresponding to the player they failed to sign. In other words, should the Orioles not come to terms with 2002's No. 4 overall pick, Adam Loewen, they'll get an extra first-round pick following the fourth choice in 2003. This will allow teams to exert even more leverage when trying to sign first-rounders, an issue I tackled in the August 27 Ask BA. Teams are starting to hold their ground more than they have in the past, and this will help their cause. 3. The most important ramification for the draft is the elimination of compensation picks for the loss of quality (Type A, B or C) free agents. This means that once the joint committee resolves the issues mentioned above, the players could have no say in determining draft rules, which fall outside the Basic Agreement. This would allow owners to put in NBA-style mandatory bonus slotting without the union having to approve it. While the players as a whole would like to see draft bonuses reduced so more money would trickle up to them, they don't want to come out publicly in favor of restricting any kind of free market.

09-04-2002, 02:54 PM	#11
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	This is the deal about whose ox is being gored. The current players hate to see money spent/wasted on guys who haven't played a minute of ball. Naturally the draftees would like an open market. Slotting seems to be a reasonable compromise between the two. Anything that screws Scott Boras I'm for. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

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VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	The players sold out Scott Boras.

09-04-2002, 01:07 PM	#6
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	Hmm. No. You think someone would pass up even $500,000 to play in an independent?

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VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	after five years in an independent league -- probably the equivalent of low A ball -- you wouldn't be good enough to be a prospect anymore.

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VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	So much for all that talk about free markets and future generations.

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VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	a concession to the players who seek a totally unfettered free agent system.

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