Who is the greatest Tribe thirdbaseman?

Ytown Tribe fan · 09-15-2002, 02:21 PM

All of these All-Stars played third base for the Tribe at some point in their careers.

Which is the greatest?

JamesI · 09-15-2002, 02:27 PM

Before I vote, I want clarification. Is this who was the best third baseman for Cleveland (which elminates Thome as mostly a first baseman) or is this who is the greatest player that also played third in Cleveland at some point (in which case Thome wins my vote)?

Fuzzy Bear · 09-15-2002, 02:44 PM

Al Rosen.

I started a thread some months ago advocating his selection for the HOF. Rosen had a peak value comparable to Schmidt and Mathews. His career was shortened by the war and by being trapped in the minors behind Keltner, and by a back injury at the end, but he was a truly great player, and his peak, in my opinion, was so great that I believe he should be enshrined in Cooperstown.

sweaver · 09-15-2002, 09:58 PM

Thome is the best player on this list, but I will reject him because of the "3B" qualifier, as he was not really a third baseman.

I choose Keltner over Rosen in a close race, with Keltner having the advantages of longevity and defense, and Rosen with the offensive advantage.

JamesI · 09-15-2002, 10:07 PM

I've decided on Keltner. Thome would win had he remained a third baseman.

VNV Nation · 09-16-2002, 12:30 AM

NDF polls have definitely jumped the shark.

pwdennis · 09-16-2002, 02:05 AM

Al Rosen by a nose over Ken Keltner & Matt Williams. I know he briefly played 3B but Jim Thome is a 1B.

Max Power · 09-16-2002, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fuzzy Bear
............had a peak value comparable to Schmidt and Mathews...........career was shortened.............by a back injury at the end, but he was a truly great player, and his peak, in my opinion, was so great that I believe he should be enshrined in Cooperstown.

Smells like Ken Caminiti a little there, no?

Ytown Tribe fan · 09-16-2002, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by VNV Nation
NDF polls have definitely jumped the shark.

Not just yet. We haven't determined who the greatest left-handed setup reliever in Expos history was. Not yet, anyway.

09-16-2002, 11:18 AM

At his best Rosen performed at a higher level than any of these other guys. Not much of a contest in my book.

pathogan · 09-16-2002, 12:03 PM

a very very underrated player...Nettles best years were with the Yankees,Thome at first

KCBOOMER · 09-16-2002, 02:04 PM

Rosen.

Thome's a 1B, Nettles a Yankee, Williams a DL wizard, and the others were journeyman.

Fuzzy Bear · 09-18-2002, 03:58 PM

I re-thought my choice of Rosen, but I'm sticking with it. Buddy Bell had a better career, but the years that made him a HOF longshot (as opposed to a good journeyman) were his years with Texas. He also played most of his career in Texas, though he tends to be associated more with Cleveland for some reason.

NCFella19 · 09-18-2002, 08:19 PM

Rosen's the obvious choice, but I voted for Bell just because I was overcome with a fit of youthful nostalgia.

09-24-2002, 11:47 AM

Rosen

Quick aside on Thome at third - The old joke in Cleveland was that if you wanted to catch a baseball in cleveland, just forget the foul ball. You shelled out the extra bucks, and got seats in the 10th row behind first base, where most of Thome's throws across the infield landed.

View Poll Results: Who is the greatest Tribe thirdbaseman?
Ken Keltner	4	18.18%
Al Rosen	14	63.64%
Max Alvis	1	4.55%
Graig Nettles	0	0%
Buddy Bell	2	9.09%
Toby Harrah	0	0%
Jim Thome	1	4.55%
Matt Williams	0	0%
Travis Fryman	0	0%
other	0	0%
Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll

09-15-2002, 02:21 PM	#1
Ytown Tribe fan Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Scrappers territory Posts: 2,515	Who is the greatest Tribe thirdbaseman? All of these All-Stars played third base for the Tribe at some point in their careers. Which is the greatest?

09-16-2002, 02:05 AM	#7
pwdennis NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 2,503	Al Rosen by a nose over Ken Keltner & Matt Williams. I know he briefly played 3B but Jim Thome is a 1B. __________________ "I would submit that if the world survives for a million years, perhaps its finest hour may be that in the last half of the 20th century, when the power to blow up the world rested in the hands of a few men in two very unsophisticated and suspicious countries, we didn't do it, and one American, Richard Nixon, moved the cold war away from permanent confrontation toward victory. How could any wrong that he did compare with that?" - John Sears

09-16-2002, 12:03 PM	#11
pathogan william Blake's Innkeeper Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 2,828	Rosen a very very underrated player...Nettles best years were with the Yankees,Thome at first

09-16-2002, 02:04 PM	#12
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	Rosen. Thome's a 1B, Nettles a Yankee, Williams a DL wizard, and the others were journeyman. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

09-15-2002, 02:27 PM	#2
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	Before I vote, I want clarification. Is this who was the best third baseman for Cleveland (which elminates Thome as mostly a first baseman) or is this who is the greatest player that also played third in Cleveland at some point (in which case Thome wins my vote)?

09-15-2002, 02:44 PM	#3
Fuzzy Bear NetShrine's Evangelist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Living by faith, and not by sight! Posts: 2,194	Al Rosen. I started a thread some months ago advocating his selection for the HOF. Rosen had a peak value comparable to Schmidt and Mathews. His career was shortened by the war and by being trapped in the minors behind Keltner, and by a back injury at the end, but he was a truly great player, and his peak, in my opinion, was so great that I believe he should be enshrined in Cooperstown.

09-15-2002, 09:58 PM	#4
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Thome is the best player on this list, but I will reject him because of the "3B" qualifier, as he was not really a third baseman. I choose Keltner over Rosen in a close race, with Keltner having the advantages of longevity and defense, and Rosen with the offensive advantage.

09-15-2002, 10:07 PM	#5
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	I've decided on Keltner. Thome would win had he remained a third baseman.

09-16-2002, 12:30 AM	#6
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	NDF polls have definitely jumped the shark.

09-16-2002, 11:18 AM	#10
BigKlu Posts: n/a	At his best Rosen performed at a higher level than any of these other guys. Not much of a contest in my book.

09-18-2002, 03:58 PM	#13
Fuzzy Bear NetShrine's Evangelist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Living by faith, and not by sight! Posts: 2,194	I re-thought my choice of Rosen, but I'm sticking with it. Buddy Bell had a better career, but the years that made him a HOF longshot (as opposed to a good journeyman) were his years with Texas. He also played most of his career in Texas, though he tends to be associated more with Cleveland for some reason.

09-18-2002, 08:19 PM	#14
NCFella19 All-NetShrine Team Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 417	Rosen's the obvious choice, but I voted for Bell just because I was overcome with a fit of youthful nostalgia. __________________ "It's not the high price of stardom that bothers me, it's the high price of mediocrity." -- Bill Veeck

09-24-2002, 11:47 AM	#15
CpUltravox Posts: n/a	Rosen Quick aside on Thome at third - The old joke in Cleveland was that if you wanted to catch a baseball in cleveland, just forget the foul ball. You shelled out the extra bucks, and got seats in the 10th row behind first base, where most of Thome's throws across the infield landed.

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