Diamond Legends team

VNV Nation · 09-03-2002, 11:51 AM

OK, so my latest Diamond Legends team just started.

DL is a computer simulation run by Stats (DL is a descendent of the Winter Game and Bill James Classic Baseball, but Bill sold his stock in the company and is no longer associated with it.)

The idea is you get $50 million and you buy a team of players from a pretty exhaustive catalog of players from the 1880s to recently retired players. The challenge is not necessarily to get the best players, but to find the best buys -- Babe Ruth is great but at $11 million, you're gonna have major holes somewhere else.
My league is a private league set up as a challenge league by one of the best owners in the game, John Menna, who holds impressive credentials as a fantasy baseball "expert."

My team, playing in current Yankee Stadium, looks like this:
C Mickey Tettleton/Johnny Romano
1B Eddie Murray
2B Billy Moran/Pedro Garcia (will upgrade later)
SS Joe Cronin
3B Eddie Mathews
LF George Foster
CF Jim Rivera/Cito Gaston
RF George Harper/Reggie Smith
DH Reggie Smith/Mickey Tettleton

SP Ted Lyons
SP Wilbur Cooper
SP Johnny Antonelli
SP Cliff Melton
SP Tommy Thomas
CL/SW Sandy Consuegra

Anyway, I was thinking we could do a league or something. Alan Smithee and TGwynn are also experienced owners.

poorme · 09-03-2002, 11:58 AM

2 questions: how are the salaries determined and when you pick a player, what year do you get or is it like a career average type thing.

JamesI · 09-03-2002, 12:16 PM

I'd play. NEver played Diamond legendsbut have tried some similiar sim leagues.

TGwynn19 · 09-03-2002, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by poorme
2 questions: how are the salaries determined and when you pick a player, what year do you get or is it like a career average type thing.

1) the salaries are determined 'by use' they change from year to year. The more a player is drafted his price will rise.

2) the player's performance in the sim is based on his career averages.

3) don't ask me for advice on how to win at the darn game...I played over 20 seasons with no WS appearances!!

pwdennis · 09-03-2002, 01:12 PM

Sandy Consuegra is a hugely underrated player. He got a very late start to his MLB career (an old baseball card I had had a picture that made him look very dark, although whether or not he was black, I'm uncertain). I suspect that his complexion had much to do with his late arrival

A very good choice

VNV Nation · 09-03-2002, 01:41 PM

Don't let Trevor fool ya, he held his own in several ultra-tough leagues.

For the most part, players are coded based on career averages, normalized to a 1990s setting...although there is some weird alchemy that takes into account peak value, durability, etc. Durability is based on length of career in context of the player's ability, that is, a guy who hit .220 but played 1,200 games will probably be more durable than Dick Allen.

WiredTiger · 09-03-2002, 01:41 PM

I found that ESPN was cheaper even though it was run by Stats and was basically the same game. ESPN didn't charge you transaction fees.

VNV Nation · 09-03-2002, 01:45 PM

That's true, it's the same game with minor tinkering.

poorme · 09-03-2002, 01:48 PM

so you get to pick from like 10,000 guys? how is the drafting conducted?

VNV Nation · 09-03-2002, 01:55 PM

If you purchase a team for a public league, you just pick your 30 guys. They place you in a league and determine draft order. Whoever goes first gets everyone they want. The next guy will get everyone they want, provided they aren't taken. This isn't as much of a handicap as it sounds, because there are dozens of viable replacements, you get a tiny cash bonus for each player you lose as well as for draft position, and you can tinker with your roster after the draft and before the season starts as much as you want.

If we have a private league then we can do the draft any way we want, including a snake draft. There's a web site some guy set up to handle snake drafts, as well as a database so you can see players' stats. It's free but there's a charge if you want to see accumulated averages and do advanced sorts on players. www.dlfans.com

Alan Smithee · 09-04-2002, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by VNV Nation
OK, so my latest Diamond Legends team just started.

DL is a computer simulation run by Stats (DL is a descendent of the Winter Game and Bill James Classic Baseball, but Bill sold his stock in the company and is no longer associated with it.)

The idea is you get $50 million and you buy a team of players from a pretty exhaustive catalog of players from the 1880s to recently retired players. The challenge is not necessarily to get the best players, but to find the best buys -- Babe Ruth is great but at $11 million, you're gonna have major holes somewhere else.
My league is a private league set up as a challenge league by one of the best owners in the game, John Menna, who holds impressive credentials as a fantasy baseball "expert."

My team, playing in current Yankee Stadium, looks like this:
C Mickey Tettleton/Johnny Romano
1B Eddie Murray
2B Billy Moran/Pedro Garcia (will upgrade later)
SS Joe Cronin
3B Eddie Mathews
LF George Foster
CF Jim Rivera/Cito Gaston
RF George Harper/Reggie Smith
DH Reggie Smith/Mickey Tettleton

SP Ted Lyons
SP Wilbur Cooper
SP Johnny Antonelli
SP Cliff Melton
SP Tommy Thomas
CL/SW Sandy Consuegra

Anyway, I was thinking we could do a league or something. Alan Smithee and TGwynn are also experienced owners.

Im in as always though I am also in the Dl open and am currently drafting an all latins team( catching is going to be weak.)
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as for your team VNV? good I like it. very impressive a few points:
I think cronin is a bit overpriced. thats just me but its what I think. I like Lu Appling better esp. since i think you need a leadoff hitter.
- Consegura is brilliant and I have seen him domanate as a closer but I have seen him get hurt. worth the gamble I guess but dont be shocked if he goes out for 30 games.
-tettlton is one of the games major bargains. He is on a pace to hit 35 homers for me in hilltop.
- Lyons is one of the most underated starters in the game. same with thomas and cooper ( perfect for yankee)

your gonna kick some texas tail. and I would love to play in a league with these guys.

VNV Nation · 09-04-2002, 01:23 AM

Alan:

I would have preferred Appling but he went before I could get him. Really though, I think they're about the same value. More or less of the same quality offensively and defensively, although, as you pointed out, Appling would be a better fit. Appling plays more games but Cronin's price went down a ton, $600,000 I think.

And actually my two favorite pitchers on the staff are Melton and Antonelli. Antonelli was dominant for me in a high-price theme league and did well in that stupid league everyone talks about.

VNV Nation · 09-04-2002, 01:24 AM

P.S. I would rather play DL than ESPN, as DL has the rookies and price changes...(if I see one more draft where Scott Sanderson is a high pick I'll barf).

VNV Nation · 09-04-2002, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alan Smithee
Im in as always though I am also in the Dl open and am currently drafting an all latins team( catching is going to be weak.)

Barry did this a while ago, won the WS. But that was in CG/CE. An all-Latin team there could do serious damage if you get Dihigo.

09-03-2002, 11:51 AM	#1
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	Diamond Legends team OK, so my latest Diamond Legends team just started. DL is a computer simulation run by Stats (DL is a descendent of the Winter Game and Bill James Classic Baseball, but Bill sold his stock in the company and is no longer associated with it.) The idea is you get $50 million and you buy a team of players from a pretty exhaustive catalog of players from the 1880s to recently retired players. The challenge is not necessarily to get the best players, but to find the best buys -- Babe Ruth is great but at $11 million, you're gonna have major holes somewhere else. My league is a private league set up as a challenge league by one of the best owners in the game, John Menna, who holds impressive credentials as a fantasy baseball "expert." My team, playing in current Yankee Stadium, looks like this: C Mickey Tettleton/Johnny Romano 1B Eddie Murray 2B Billy Moran/Pedro Garcia (will upgrade later) SS Joe Cronin 3B Eddie Mathews LF George Foster CF Jim Rivera/Cito Gaston RF George Harper/Reggie Smith DH Reggie Smith/Mickey Tettleton SP Ted Lyons SP Wilbur Cooper SP Johnny Antonelli SP Cliff Melton SP Tommy Thomas CL/SW Sandy Consuegra Anyway, I was thinking we could do a league or something. Alan Smithee and TGwynn are also experienced owners.

09-03-2002, 01:12 PM	#5
pwdennis NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 2,503	Sandy Consuegra is a hugely underrated player. He got a very late start to his MLB career (an old baseball card I had had a picture that made him look very dark, although whether or not he was black, I'm uncertain). I suspect that his complexion had much to do with his late arrival A very good choice __________________ "I would submit that if the world survives for a million years, perhaps its finest hour may be that in the last half of the 20th century, when the power to blow up the world rested in the hands of a few men in two very unsophisticated and suspicious countries, we didn't do it, and one American, Richard Nixon, moved the cold war away from permanent confrontation toward victory. How could any wrong that he did compare with that?" - John Sears

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poorme Guest Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: washington dc Posts: 2,625	2 questions: how are the salaries determined and when you pick a player, what year do you get or is it like a career average type thing.

09-03-2002, 12:16 PM	#3
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	I'd play. NEver played Diamond legendsbut have tried some similiar sim leagues.

09-03-2002, 01:41 PM	#6
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	Don't let Trevor fool ya, he held his own in several ultra-tough leagues. For the most part, players are coded based on career averages, normalized to a 1990s setting...although there is some weird alchemy that takes into account peak value, durability, etc. Durability is based on length of career in context of the player's ability, that is, a guy who hit .220 but played 1,200 games will probably be more durable than Dick Allen.

09-03-2002, 01:41 PM	#7
WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	I found that ESPN was cheaper even though it was run by Stats and was basically the same game. ESPN didn't charge you transaction fees.

09-03-2002, 01:45 PM	#8
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	That's true, it's the same game with minor tinkering.

09-03-2002, 01:48 PM	#9
poorme Guest Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: washington dc Posts: 2,625	so you get to pick from like 10,000 guys? how is the drafting conducted?

09-03-2002, 01:55 PM	#10
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	If you purchase a team for a public league, you just pick your 30 guys. They place you in a league and determine draft order. Whoever goes first gets everyone they want. The next guy will get everyone they want, provided they aren't taken. This isn't as much of a handicap as it sounds, because there are dozens of viable replacements, you get a tiny cash bonus for each player you lose as well as for draft position, and you can tinker with your roster after the draft and before the season starts as much as you want. If we have a private league then we can do the draft any way we want, including a snake draft. There's a web site some guy set up to handle snake drafts, as well as a database so you can see players' stats. It's free but there's a charge if you want to see accumulated averages and do advanced sorts on players. www.dlfans.com

09-04-2002, 01:23 AM	#12
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	Alan: I would have preferred Appling but he went before I could get him. Really though, I think they're about the same value. More or less of the same quality offensively and defensively, although, as you pointed out, Appling would be a better fit. Appling plays more games but Cronin's price went down a ton, $600,000 I think. And actually my two favorite pitchers on the staff are Melton and Antonelli. Antonelli was dominant for me in a high-price theme league and did well in that stupid league everyone talks about.

09-04-2002, 01:24 AM	#13
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	P.S. I would rather play DL than ESPN, as DL has the rookies and price changes...(if I see one more draft where Scott Sanderson is a high pick I'll barf).

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