ATM report--A's, Mets streaks continue; Kent, Thome, Finley feats

nyy26wc · 09-02-2002, 11:09 AM

1) Yesterday's games--

AL
Redsox 7, Indians 1
BlueJays 7, Yankees 6
Whitesox 7, Tigers 0
A's 7, Twins 5
Mariners 9, Royals 4
Angels 9, Orioles 3
Devil Rays 8, Rangers 3

NL
Brewers 4, Reds 2
Phillies 9, Mets 5
Marlins 8, Pirates 4
Braves 6, Expos 4
Cubs 5, Cardinals 4
Dodgers 2, Astros 1
Padres 9, Rockies 5
Diamondbacks 7, Giants 6

2) Standings--

Code:

AL EAST         WON  LOST  PCT  GB      HOME   ROAD   EAST  CENT  WEST STREAK
Yankees          84   51  .622   -     40-23  44-28  34-25 22-04 17-15 LOST 2
Redsox           76   58  .567   7 1/2 35-32  41-26  37-18 16-13 18-14 WON  1
Orioles          63   72  .467  21     32-32  31-40  23-32 18-14 13-17 LOST 9
BlueJays         60   76  .441  24 1/2 33-36  27-40  30-29 09-14 12-24 WON  2
e--Devil Rays    47   89  .346  37 1/2 25-40  22-49  18-38 13-19 09-21 WON  3

AL CENTRAL      WON  LOST  PCT  GB      HOME   ROAD   EAST  CENT  WEST STREAK
Twins            80   58  .580   -     45-24  35-34  15-17 38-19 17-14 LOST 4
Whitesox         66   70  .485  13     39-29  27-41  12-11 31-28 15-21 WON  5
Indians          59   76  .437  19 1/2 34-37  25-39  17-12 24-32 12-20 LOST 1
Royals           55   82  .401  24 1/2 33-35  22-47  10-22 26-30 14-17 LOST 1
e--Tigers        50   86  .368  29     30-38  20-48  10-16 25-35 09-23 LOST 4

AL WEST         WON  LOST  PCT  GB      HOME   ROAD   EAST  CENT  WEST STREAK
A's              86   51  .628   -     44-25  42-26  23-22 28-08 19-19 WON  18
Angels           82   54  .603   3 1/2 46-25  36-29  22-13 30-15 19-19 WON  4
Mariners         80   57  .584   6     40-29  40-28  25-20 19-17 25-13 WON  1
d--Rangers       60   75  .444  25     35-35  25-40  21-14 18-27 13-25 LOST 3

NL EAST         WON  LOST  PCT  GB      HOME   ROAD   EAST  CENT  WEST STREAK
Braves           86   49  .637   -     43-22  43-27  34-19 22-11 15-16 WON  3
Phillies         69   66  .511  17     35-32  34-34  28-27 17-13 14-18 WON  4
Marlins          67   68  .496  19     42-29  25-39  25-27 17-16 15-17 WON  4
Expos            66   70  .485  20 1/2 39-28  27-42  24-32 17-13 13-19 LOST 4
Mets             61   73  .455  24 1/2 30-37  31-36  24-30 17-13 10-22 LOST 4

NL CENTRAL      WON  LOST  PCT  GB      HOME   ROAD   EAST  CENT  WEST STREAK
Cardinals        76   60  .559   -     39-26  37-34  11-19 42-28 15-09 LOST 1
Astros           72   64  .529   4     41-30  31-34  16-14 43-34 08-10 LOST 2
Reds             66   70  .485  10     34-37  32-33  12-12 38-32 14-16 LOST 3
Pirates          60   77  .438  16 1/2 30-38  30-39  10-08 37-40 10-20 LOST 3
Cubs             57   79  .419  19     29-39  28-40  10-14 28-42 13-17 WON  1
e--Brewers       49   87  .360  27     28-41  21-46  07-23 29-41 11-13 WON  3

NL CENTRAL      WON  LOST  PCT  GB      HOME   ROAD   EAST  CENT  WEST STREAK
Diamondbacks     85   51  .625   -     45-23  40-28  21-11 21-09 32-24 WON  1
Dodgers          79   57  .581   6     39-29  40-28  20-12 19-14 28-25 WON  2
Giants           77   59  .566   8     38-27  39-32  17-14 17-13 35-22 LOST 1
Rockies          61   76  .445  24 1/2 39-29  22-47  18-14 16-14 20-37 LOST 9
Padres           59   77  .434  26     37-32  22-45  16-16 12-21 23-30 WON  3

d--mathematically eliminated from winning the division title
e--mathematically eliminated from winning the division title and the postseason

3) Wild card standings--

Code:

AL              WON  LOST  GB
Angels           82   54    -
Mariners         80   57    2 1/2
Redsox           76   58    5

NL              WON  LOST  GB
Dodgers          79   57    -
Giants           77   59    2
Astros           72   64    7
Phillies         69   66    9 1/2

4) The Royals will be mathematically eliminated from winning the division title and from the postseason if they lose to the A's or the Twins beat the Mariners.

5) The Rangers have been mathematically eliminated from winning the division title.

With 75 losses, it's mathematically possible for the Rangers to finish with 87 wins. Since nobody else in the division has reached 87 W yet, that would appear to keep them alive. But, the A's and Angels have 8 games against each other and there is no combination of those games that can keep both of them under 87.

6) The Padres will be mathematically eliminated from winning the division title, but not from the postseason, if they lose to the Rockies or the Diamondbacks beat the Dodgers.

7) Magic numbers--

AL East--Yankees, 21
AL Central--Twins, 13
AL West--A's, 23
AL wild card--Angels, 24

NL East--Braves, 11
NL Central--Cardinals, 23
NL West--Diamondbacks, 21
NL wild card--Dodgers, 25

8) Race for the postseason seeds--

AL--The A's lead the Yankees by 1 game for the #1 seed. The Yankees lead the Twins by 5 1/2 games for the #2 seed.

NL--The Braves hold a 1 1/2 game lead over the Diamondbacks for the #1 seed. The Diamondbacks hold a 9 game lead over the Cardinals for the #2 seed.

9) Today's schedule--

AL
Redsox (Casey Fossum) at Yankees (Mike Mussina), 1:05
Whitesox (Jon Garland) at BlueJays (Corey Thurman), 1:05
Indians (C.C. Sabathia) at Tigers (Brian Powell), 2:05
Royals (Runelvys Hernandez) at A's (Barry Zito), 3:35
Twins (Eric Milton) at Mariners (Joel Pineiro), 6:35

NL
Pirates (Brian Meadows) at Braves (Greg Maddux), 1:05
Brewers (Glendon Rusch and Ben Diggins) at Cubs (Steve Smyth and Kerry Wood), DH, 1:05
Marlins (Carl Pavano) at Mets (John Thomson), 1:10
Phillies (Joe Roa) at Expos (Tomo Ohka), 1:35
Reds (Shawn Estes) at Cardinals (Garrett Stephenson), 2:10
Dodgers (Odalis Perez) at Diamondbacks (Rick Helling), 8:05
Rockies (Jason Jennings) at Padres (Bobby Jones RHP), 10:05

INTERLEAGUE
Astros (Jeriome Robertson) at Rangers (Chan Ho Park), 3:05

10) Yesterday's HRs--

Pat Burrell--#34
Jason Giambi--#33
Miguel Tejada--#29 & #30
Torii Hunter--#27
Larry Walker--#26
Manny Ramirez--#25
Mo Vaughn--#21
Mike Sweeney--#19
Brian Daubach--#18
Reggie Sanders--#18
Jared Sandberg--#17
Ron Gant--#16
Matt Lawton--#15
Ivan Rodriguez--#15
J.D. Drew--#15
Eli Marrero--#13
Rondell White--#12
Phil Nevin--#12
Corey Koskie--#10
Randy Winn--#10
Scott Spiezio--#9
John Mabry--#9
Ryan Thompson--#7 & #8
Mike Lamb--#8
Geoff Blum--#8
Tom Lampkin--#8
Greg Norton--#7
Dan Wilson--#6
Tony Womack--#4 & #5
Jerry Hairston Jr.--#5
Adam Kennedy--#5
Matt LeCroy--#5
Tomas Perez--#4
Michael Cuddyer--#3
Angel Echevarria--#3
Lenny Harris--#3
Todd Pratt--#3
Andy Fox--#2

11) HR leaders--

AL
1) Alex Rodriguez--48
2) Jim Thome--42
3) Rafael Palmeiro--38
4) Alfonso Soriano--34
5) Jason Giambi--33*
T6) Magglio Ordonez--31
T6) Eric Chavez--31
8) Miguel Tejada--30**
T9) Ellis Burks--27
T9) Tony Batista--27
T9) Torii Hunter--27*

NL
1) Sammy Sosa--43
2) Barry Bonds--40
3) Shawn Green--38
4) Lance Berkman--37
5) Vladimir Guerrero--35
6) Pat Burrell--34*
7) Jeff Kent--33
T8) Brian Giles--32
T8) Albert Pujols--32
T10) Fred McGriff--28
T10) Richie Sexson--28

**--hit 2 yesterday
*--hit 1 yesterday

11) Barry Bonds watch--

OBA--.577, on pace for a new record; current record--.553, Ted Williams, 1941
SLG--.821, on pace for #4 all time; record--.863, Barry Bonds, 2001
OPS--1.397, on pace for a new record; current record--1.379, Babe Ruth, 1920 or Barry Bonds, 2001*
RCAA--138, currently tied for #6 all time, on pace for 164 which would rank #3; record--173, Barry Bonds, 2001
pursuit of Gehrig for 4th place on the career RCAA list--trails Gehrig by 21
BB--159, currently #6 all time, on pace for 1896, which would be a new record; current record--177, Barry Bonds, 2001

12) Miguel Tejada reached 30 HR for the 3rd time and 3rd consecutive year.

Tejada became the 3rd SS to hit 30+ HR in at least 3 consecutive years.

Code:

1    Alex Rodriguez           1998-02    5   
2    Ernie Banks              1957-60    4   
3    Miguel Tejada            2000-02    3   
T4   Vern Stephens            1949-50    2   
T4   Nomar Garciaparra        1997-98    2

He also became the 3rd SS to have at least 3 career 30+ HR seasons.

Code:

1    Alex Rodriguez            6   
2    Ernie Banks               5   
3    Miguel Tejada             3   
T4   Vern Stephens             2   
T4   Nomar Garciaparra         2   
T6   Tony Batista              1   
T6   Rico Petrocelli           1   
T6   Rich Aurilia              1   
T6   Cal Ripken                1   
T6   Barry Larkin              1

After 11 RCAA/.828 OPS and 7 RCAA/.801 OPS the past 2 years, Tejada's off to a .518 SLG, .352 OBA, .870 OPS, 16 RCAA start in his first 137 games. He has a .787 career OPS, compared to his league average of .747, and 2 RCAA in 749 games.

13) Larry Walker tied Darryl Strawberry for 74th place on the all time HR list, with 335.

14) Mo Vaughn passed Cecil Fielder into 82nd place on the all time HR list, with 320.

15) Ron Gant passed George Brett and tied Roy Sievers for 84th place on the all time HR list, with 318.

Gant also reached 1000 career RBI.

16) Manny Ramirez passed Rogers Hornsby into 93rd place on the all time HR list, with 302.

17) The A's set the franchise record with their 18th consecutive win. They will attempt to tie the AL record today, which is held by the 1906 Whitesox and 1947 Yankees.

18) The Mets tied the NL record with their 14th consecutive loss, tying the mark set by the 1911 Boston Braves (who were then known as the Rustlers).

Correction from Saturday--Mark McGwire twice hit 3 HR as a visitor against the Phillies, not the A's.

nyy26wc · 09-02-2002, 11:10 AM

1) Jeff Kent became the first 2B to have 6 consecutive years with 100+ RBI.

Code:

1    Jeff Kent                1997-02    6   
2    Charlie Gehringer        1932-36    5   
3    Bobby Doerr              1948-50    3   
T4   Rogers Hornsby           1921-22    2   
T4   Tony Lazzeri             1926-27    2   
T4   Tony Lazzeri             1929-30    2   
T4   Tony Lazzeri             1932-33    2   
T4   Joe Gordon               1939-40    2   
T4   Ryne Sandberg            1990-91    2   
T4   Carlos Baerga            1992-93    2

2) The Yankees called up P Randy Choate and C Alberto Castillo and released minor league P Brett Jodie.

After starting his career with 4.76 ERA/1 RSAA and 3.35 ERA/6 RSAA seasons, Choate is off to a 6.33 ERA/-5 RSAA start in his first 17 games.

After -17 RCAA/.552 OPS and -14 RCAA/.507 OPS the past 2 years, Castillo's off to a .222 SLG, .162 OBA, .384 OPS, -6 RCAA start in his first 14 games. He has a .573 career OPS, compared to his league average of .780, and -67 RCAA in 331 games.

3) Brewers P Shane Nance is out for the rest of the season, after tearing his right biceps when hitting in Saturday's game.

Nance had a 4.26 ERA/0 RSAA in his first 4 major league games.

4) Diamondbacks CF Steve Finley missed yesterday's game, due to tightness in his left hamstring, and MGR Bob Brenly says he probably won't play today.

After 20 RCAA/.904 OPS and -7 RCAA/.767 OPS the past 2 years, Finley's off to a .482 SLG, .362 OBA, .847 OPS, 12 RCAA start in his first 127 games. He has a .776 career OPS, compared to his league average of .755, and 95 RCAA in 1957 games.

5) The Cubs will call up P Steve Smyth before today's doubleheader.

Smyth is off to a 9.98 ERA/-10 RSAA start in his first 4 major league starts and will start in today's doubleheader.

6) The Pirates called up P Salomon Torres.

Torres was once a hyped prospect, a long time ago. He has a 5.71 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.46, and -43 RSAA in 68 games, from 1993-97. He'll take Bronson Arroyo's spot in the rotation.

7) Indians P Charles Nagy had to leave yesterday's game, due to a right knee injury.

8) Mariners utilityman Mark McLemore hyperextended his right elbow on Saturday and will have more tests today. While it's not yet how long he'll be out, this injury could be season ending.

In addition to starting his career with 15 consecutive negative RCAA seasons, McLemore had a streak of 8 double digit negative RCAA over a 9 year span, from 1992-2000. Then, he provided the Mariners with a surprise .790 OPS/21 RCAA season in 2001. He's working on his 2nd consecutive productive year, with a .398 SLG, .382 OBA, .781 OPS, 11 RCAA in his first 103 games. McLemore has a .694 career OPS, compared to his league average of .765, and -136 RCAA in 1655 games.

9) The Giants activated OFs Marvin Benard and Shawon Dunston from the DL and called up 3B-OF Tony Torcato and Ps Troy Brohawn and Aaron Fultz.

After 1 RCAA/.739 OPS and 2 RCAA/.759 OPS the past 2 years, Benard's off to a .427 SLG, .336 OBA, .763 OPS, 2 RCAA start in his first 59 games. he has a .752 career OPS, compared to his league average of .780, and 16 RCAA in 839 games.

After -13 RCAA/.764 OPS and 2 RCAA/.804 OPS the past 2 years, Dunston's off to a .272 SLG, .241 OBA, .513 OPS, -10 RCAA start in his first 63 games. He has a .711 career OPS, compared to his league average of .741, and -151 RCAA in 1805 games.

After a 4.93 ERA/-2 RSAA in 59 games as a 28 year old rookie with the 2001 Diamondbacks, Brohawn's off to a 7.71 ERA/-2 RSAA start in his first 7 games.

After starting his career with 4.67 ERA/-3 RSAA and 4.56 ERA/-5 RSAA seasons, Fultz is off to a 5.60 ERA/-7 RSAA start in his first 34 games.

10) The Marlins called up OF Brian Banks and Ps Justin Wayne and Gary Knotts and released 2B Homer Bush.

Banks had a .684 OPS/-9 RCAA in 161 games with the 1996-99 Brewers.

Knotts, a 25 year old rookie who also appeared in 2 games last year, is off to a 6.00 ERA/-4 RSAA start in his first 18 games.

After -33 RCAA/.524 OPS and -4 RCAA/.723 OPS with the BlueJays the past 2 years, Bush is off to a .265 SLG, .266 OBA, .531 OPS, -11 RCAA start in his first 63 games (first 23 with the BlueJays). He has a .685 career OPS, compared to his league average of .780, and -42 RCAA in 400 games.

11) The Mets called up Ps Pedro Feliciano, Tyler Walker and Satoru Komiyama and C Jason Phillips

Komiyama, a 36 year old Japanese import, is off to a 6.25 ERA/-9 RSAA start in his first 22 major league games.

12) The Dodgers called up P Jeff Williams, OF Wilken Ruan, SS Joe Thurston and C David Ross.

13) The Reds activated P Jose Silva from the DL and will call up P Jared Fernandez today.

After 5.56 ERA/-15 RSAA and 6.75 ERA/-8 RSAA the past 2 years, Silva's off to a 5.84 ERA/-2 RSAA start in his first 6 games. He has a 5.50 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.45, and -47 RSAA in 148 games.

Fernandez, a 30 year old rookie who also appeared in 5 games last year, is off to a 4.27 ERA/1 RSAA start in his first 11 games (8 starts).

14) The Brewers called up SS Bill Hall and P Ben Diggins.

15) The Redsox called up P Wayne Gomes.

After 4.40 ERA/3 RSAA and 5.29 ERA/-7 RSAA the past 2 years, Gomes is off to a 5.40 ERA/-1 RSAA start in his first 9 games. He has a 4.62 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.41, and -2 RSAA in 310 games.

nyy26wc · 09-02-2002, 11:11 AM

1) Jim Thome reached 100 walks for the 4th consecutive year and the 6th time in his career.

Thome is the only player in Indians history to ever have consecutive 100 walks seasons. In addition to his current streak, he also had a 2 year streak, in 1996-97.

Everyone else in Indians history has combined for just 8 100 BB seasons--

Code:

1    Jim Thome                 6   
T2   Mike Hargrove             2   
T2   Jack Graney               2   
T4   Les Fleming               1   
T4   Larry Doby                1   
T4   Andre Thornton            1   
T4   Al Rosen                  1

2) Chuck Finley passed Warren Spahn into 19th place on the all time SO list and #5 for lefties.

The new LHP top 10--

Code:

1    Steve Carlton              4136   
2    Randy Johnson              3697   
3    Mickey Lolich              2832   
4    Frank Tanana               2773   
5    Chuck Finley               2594   
6    Warren Spahn               2583   
7    Jerry Koosman              2556   
8    Mark Langston              2464   
9    Jim Kaat                   2461   
10   Sam McDowell               2453

3) The Angels activated RF Tim Salmon from the DL.

He's only expected to be available for defense and pinch running until next week.

After 39 RCAA/.945 OPS and -4 RCAA/.748 OPS the past 2 years, Salmon's off to a .516 SLG, .382 OBA, .897 OPS, 32 RCAA start in his first 115 games. He has a .902 career OPS, compared to his league average of .773, and 314 RCAA in 1365 games.

4) The Rockies called up OF Jason Romano, 2B Jose Ortiz, 1B-OF Ross Gload and C-OF Ben Petrick and P Randy Flores.

Romano, a 23 year old rookie, was off to a .278 SLG, .254 OBA, .532 OPS, -5 RCAA start in his first 29 games, with the Rangers, before being released.

Going into spring training last year, Ortiz was considered the A's 2B of the future. He had a .736 OPS/-14 RCAA as a 24 year old rookie last season, with the final 53 games coming with the Rockies, and is off to a .306 SLG, .309 OBA, .615 OPS, -13 RCAA start in his first 53 games.

Petrick was once considered the Rockies C of the future, but now he has to be considered trade bait of the present, with the bait not having much value. He's off to a .296 SLG, .211 OBA, .506 OPS, -9 RCAA start in his first 27 games and has -18 RCAA in 183 career games.

Flores, a 26 year old rookie, is off to a 4.15 ERA/2 RSAA start in his first 21 major league games, with the first 20 coming with the Rangers.

5) The Padres activated P Kevin Walker from the DL and released P Bobby Jones LHP.

After starting his career with a 4.18 ERA/0 RSAA in 70 games as a 23 year old rookie in 2000, Walker had a 3.00 ERA/1 RSAA in just 16 games last year and has a 5.40 ERA/-1 RSAA in just 3 this season.

After 6.35 ERA/-4 RSAA and 4.15 ERA/0 RSAA in 1999-2000, Jones missed the entire 2001 season, due to an injury. He's off to a 5.74 ERA/-5 RSAA start in 16 games (2 starts) this year, with the first 12 with the Mets. Jones has a 5.78 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.37, and -12 RSAA in 96 games.

6) The Phillies called up P Hector Mercado and activated INF Dave Hollins from the DL.

After starting his career with 4.50 ERA/1 RSAA and 4.08 ERA/1 RSAA seasons with the Reds, Mercado's off to a 6.75 ERA/-6 RSAA start in his first 21 games.

Hollins has played in just 6 games this year and has a .780 career OPS, compared to his league average of .756, and 43 RCAA in 975 games.

7) The Cubs called up P Pat Mahomes and C Mike Mahoney.

After 5.46 ERA/-12 RSAA and 5.70 ERA/-15 RSAA the past 2 years, Mahomes is off to a 4.82 ERA/-1 RSAA start in his first 8 games. He has a 5.57 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.58, and -74 RSAA in 291 games.

8) The Dodgers activated P Giovanni Carrara from the DL.

After a 3.16 ERA/7 RSAA season in 2001, Carrara's off to a 3.62 ERA/1 RSAA start in his first 54 games. He has a 5.39 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.40, and -34 RSAA in 142 games.

9) The Cardinals called up 1B Ivan Cruz and P Matt Duff.

10) Brewers CF Alex Sanchez is out for the rest of the season, after breaking his left ankle.

After a .569 OPS/-5 RCAA in his first 30 major league games in 2001, Sanchez hit .358 SLG, .343 OBA, .701 OPS, -3 RCAA in 112 games this season.

11) The Pirates activated P Ron Villone from the DL.

After 5.43 ERA/-7 RSAA and 5.89 ERA/-12 RSAA the past 2 years, Villone's off to a 6.17 ERA/-17 RSAA start in his first 38 games (7 starts). He has a 5.08 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.49, and -29 RSAA in 312 games.

12) Marlins CF Preston Wilson was scratched from yesterday's lineup, due to personal reasons. He was able to be used as a defensive replacement when he returned to the park later in the day.

After 2 RCAA/.817 OPS and 4 RCAA/.825 OPS the past 2 years, Wilson is off to a .429 SLG, .337 OBA, .766 OPS, -2 RCAA start in his first 124 games. He has a .808 career OPS, compared to his league average of .784, and 8 RCAA in 579 games.

MGR Jeff Torborg says they will "play it by ear" as to whether Wilson is going to make the trip to the New York for their series against the Mets.

13) Yankees RF Raul Mondesi had to be removed from Saturday's game and missed yesterday's, due to a sore right knee.

After 4 RCAA/.852 OPS and -2 RCAA/.794 OPS the past 2 years, Mondesi's off to a .440 SLG, .311 OBA, .751 OPS, -7 RCAA start in his first 124 games, with the first 75 with the BlueJays. He has a .825 career OPS, compared to his league average of .770, and 116 RCAA in 1285 games.

14) The Padres set the major league record by using 57 players, breaking the mark held by the 1915 A's.

15) The BlueJays called up P Jason Kershner, who then had recently claimed off waivers from the Padres.

16) The Brewers activated P Nick Neugebauer from the DL.

Neugebauer, a 21 year old rookie who also made 2 starts last year, is off to a 4.81 ERA/-4 RSAA start in his first 8 starts.

Max Power · 09-02-2002, 11:15 AM

Lee - Romano was traded, not released.

On the LHP Top 10 K list - wow, a lot of guys that get looked over too quickly - - - wonder why that is?

hmrsf · 09-02-2002, 11:30 AM

7) Magic numbers--

AL East--Yankees, 21

Hoping for an April-like September.

nyy26wc · 09-02-2002, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Max Power
Lee - Romano was traded, not released.

DOH!!!!!!!!

I knew I should have checked my archives on that one.

nyy26wc · 09-02-2002, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hmrsf
Hoping for an April-like September.

Isn't it April 155th?

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09-02-2002, 11:09 AM	#1
nyy26wc NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 14,584	ATM report--A's, Mets streaks continue; Kent, Thome, Finley feats 1) Yesterday's games-- AL Redsox 7, Indians 1 BlueJays 7, Yankees 6 Whitesox 7, Tigers 0 A's 7, Twins 5 Mariners 9, Royals 4 Angels 9, Orioles 3 Devil Rays 8, Rangers 3 NL Brewers 4, Reds 2 Phillies 9, Mets 5 Marlins 8, Pirates 4 Braves 6, Expos 4 Cubs 5, Cardinals 4 Dodgers 2, Astros 1 Padres 9, Rockies 5 Diamondbacks 7, Giants 6 2) Standings-- Code: AL EAST WON LOST PCT GB HOME ROAD EAST CENT WEST STREAK Yankees 84 51 .622 - 40-23 44-28 34-25 22-04 17-15 LOST 2 Redsox 76 58 .567 7 1/2 35-32 41-26 37-18 16-13 18-14 WON 1 Orioles 63 72 .467 21 32-32 31-40 23-32 18-14 13-17 LOST 9 BlueJays 60 76 .441 24 1/2 33-36 27-40 30-29 09-14 12-24 WON 2 e--Devil Rays 47 89 .346 37 1/2 25-40 22-49 18-38 13-19 09-21 WON 3 AL CENTRAL WON LOST PCT GB HOME ROAD EAST CENT WEST STREAK Twins 80 58 .580 - 45-24 35-34 15-17 38-19 17-14 LOST 4 Whitesox 66 70 .485 13 39-29 27-41 12-11 31-28 15-21 WON 5 Indians 59 76 .437 19 1/2 34-37 25-39 17-12 24-32 12-20 LOST 1 Royals 55 82 .401 24 1/2 33-35 22-47 10-22 26-30 14-17 LOST 1 e--Tigers 50 86 .368 29 30-38 20-48 10-16 25-35 09-23 LOST 4 AL WEST WON LOST PCT GB HOME ROAD EAST CENT WEST STREAK A's 86 51 .628 - 44-25 42-26 23-22 28-08 19-19 WON 18 Angels 82 54 .603 3 1/2 46-25 36-29 22-13 30-15 19-19 WON 4 Mariners 80 57 .584 6 40-29 40-28 25-20 19-17 25-13 WON 1 d--Rangers 60 75 .444 25 35-35 25-40 21-14 18-27 13-25 LOST 3 NL EAST WON LOST PCT GB HOME ROAD EAST CENT WEST STREAK Braves 86 49 .637 - 43-22 43-27 34-19 22-11 15-16 WON 3 Phillies 69 66 .511 17 35-32 34-34 28-27 17-13 14-18 WON 4 Marlins 67 68 .496 19 42-29 25-39 25-27 17-16 15-17 WON 4 Expos 66 70 .485 20 1/2 39-28 27-42 24-32 17-13 13-19 LOST 4 Mets 61 73 .455 24 1/2 30-37 31-36 24-30 17-13 10-22 LOST 4 NL CENTRAL WON LOST PCT GB HOME ROAD EAST CENT WEST STREAK Cardinals 76 60 .559 - 39-26 37-34 11-19 42-28 15-09 LOST 1 Astros 72 64 .529 4 41-30 31-34 16-14 43-34 08-10 LOST 2 Reds 66 70 .485 10 34-37 32-33 12-12 38-32 14-16 LOST 3 Pirates 60 77 .438 16 1/2 30-38 30-39 10-08 37-40 10-20 LOST 3 Cubs 57 79 .419 19 29-39 28-40 10-14 28-42 13-17 WON 1 e--Brewers 49 87 .360 27 28-41 21-46 07-23 29-41 11-13 WON 3 NL CENTRAL WON LOST PCT GB HOME ROAD EAST CENT WEST STREAK Diamondbacks 85 51 .625 - 45-23 40-28 21-11 21-09 32-24 WON 1 Dodgers 79 57 .581 6 39-29 40-28 20-12 19-14 28-25 WON 2 Giants 77 59 .566 8 38-27 39-32 17-14 17-13 35-22 LOST 1 Rockies 61 76 .445 24 1/2 39-29 22-47 18-14 16-14 20-37 LOST 9 Padres 59 77 .434 26 37-32 22-45 16-16 12-21 23-30 WON 3 d--mathematically eliminated from winning the division title e--mathematically eliminated from winning the division title and the postseason 3) Wild card standings-- Code: AL WON LOST GB Angels 82 54 - Mariners 80 57 2 1/2 Redsox 76 58 5 NL WON LOST GB Dodgers 79 57 - Giants 77 59 2 Astros 72 64 7 Phillies 69 66 9 1/2 4) The Royals will be mathematically eliminated from winning the division title and from the postseason if they lose to the A's or the Twins beat the Mariners. 5) The Rangers have been mathematically eliminated from winning the division title. With 75 losses, it's mathematically possible for the Rangers to finish with 87 wins. Since nobody else in the division has reached 87 W yet, that would appear to keep them alive. But, the A's and Angels have 8 games against each other and there is no combination of those games that can keep both of them under 87. 6) The Padres will be mathematically eliminated from winning the division title, but not from the postseason, if they lose to the Rockies or the Diamondbacks beat the Dodgers. 7) Magic numbers-- AL East--Yankees, 21 AL Central--Twins, 13 AL West--A's, 23 AL wild card--Angels, 24 NL East--Braves, 11 NL Central--Cardinals, 23 NL West--Diamondbacks, 21 NL wild card--Dodgers, 25 8) Race for the postseason seeds-- AL--The A's lead the Yankees by 1 game for the #1 seed. The Yankees lead the Twins by 5 1/2 games for the #2 seed. NL--The Braves hold a 1 1/2 game lead over the Diamondbacks for the #1 seed. The Diamondbacks hold a 9 game lead over the Cardinals for the #2 seed. 9) Today's schedule-- AL Redsox (Casey Fossum) at Yankees (Mike Mussina), 1:05 Whitesox (Jon Garland) at BlueJays (Corey Thurman), 1:05 Indians (C.C. Sabathia) at Tigers (Brian Powell), 2:05 Royals (Runelvys Hernandez) at A's (Barry Zito), 3:35 Twins (Eric Milton) at Mariners (Joel Pineiro), 6:35 NL Pirates (Brian Meadows) at Braves (Greg Maddux), 1:05 Brewers (Glendon Rusch and Ben Diggins) at Cubs (Steve Smyth and Kerry Wood), DH, 1:05 Marlins (Carl Pavano) at Mets (John Thomson), 1:10 Phillies (Joe Roa) at Expos (Tomo Ohka), 1:35 Reds (Shawn Estes) at Cardinals (Garrett Stephenson), 2:10 Dodgers (Odalis Perez) at Diamondbacks (Rick Helling), 8:05 Rockies (Jason Jennings) at Padres (Bobby Jones RHP), 10:05 INTERLEAGUE Astros (Jeriome Robertson) at Rangers (Chan Ho Park), 3:05 10) Yesterday's HRs-- Pat Burrell--#34 Jason Giambi--#33 Miguel Tejada--#29 & #30 Torii Hunter--#27 Larry Walker--#26 Manny Ramirez--#25 Mo Vaughn--#21 Mike Sweeney--#19 Brian Daubach--#18 Reggie Sanders--#18 Jared Sandberg--#17 Ron Gant--#16 Matt Lawton--#15 Ivan Rodriguez--#15 J.D. Drew--#15 Eli Marrero--#13 Rondell White--#12 Phil Nevin--#12 Corey Koskie--#10 Randy Winn--#10 Scott Spiezio--#9 John Mabry--#9 Ryan Thompson--#7 & #8 Mike Lamb--#8 Geoff Blum--#8 Tom Lampkin--#8 Greg Norton--#7 Dan Wilson--#6 Tony Womack--#4 & #5 Jerry Hairston Jr.--#5 Adam Kennedy--#5 Matt LeCroy--#5 Tomas Perez--#4 Michael Cuddyer--#3 Angel Echevarria--#3 Lenny Harris--#3 Todd Pratt--#3 Andy Fox--#2 11) HR leaders-- AL 1) Alex Rodriguez--48 2) Jim Thome--42 3) Rafael Palmeiro--38 4) Alfonso Soriano--34 5) Jason Giambi--33* T6) Magglio Ordonez--31 T6) Eric Chavez--31 8) Miguel Tejada--30** T9) Ellis Burks--27 T9) Tony Batista--27 T9) Torii Hunter--27* NL 1) Sammy Sosa--43 2) Barry Bonds--40 3) Shawn Green--38 4) Lance Berkman--37 5) Vladimir Guerrero--35 6) Pat Burrell--34* 7) Jeff Kent--33 T8) Brian Giles--32 T8) Albert Pujols--32 T10) Fred McGriff--28 T10) Richie Sexson--28 *--hit 2 yesterday --hit 1 yesterday 11) Barry Bonds watch-- OBA--.577, on pace for a new record; current record--.553, Ted Williams, 1941 SLG--.821, on pace for #4 all time; record--.863, Barry Bonds, 2001 OPS--1.397, on pace for a new record; current record--1.379, Babe Ruth, 1920 or Barry Bonds, 2001* RCAA--138, currently tied for #6 all time, on pace for 164 which would rank #3; record--173, Barry Bonds, 2001 pursuit of Gehrig for 4th place on the career RCAA list--trails Gehrig by 21 BB--159, currently #6 all time, on pace for 1896, which would be a new record; current record--177, Barry Bonds, 2001 12) Miguel Tejada reached 30 HR for the 3rd time and 3rd consecutive year. Tejada became the 3rd SS to hit 30+ HR in at least 3 consecutive years. Code: 1 Alex Rodriguez 1998-02 5 2 Ernie Banks 1957-60 4 3 Miguel Tejada 2000-02 3 T4 Vern Stephens 1949-50 2 T4 Nomar Garciaparra 1997-98 2 He also became the 3rd SS to have at least 3 career 30+ HR seasons. Code: 1 Alex Rodriguez 6 2 Ernie Banks 5 3 Miguel Tejada 3 T4 Vern Stephens 2 T4 Nomar Garciaparra 2 T6 Tony Batista 1 T6 Rico Petrocelli 1 T6 Rich Aurilia 1 T6 Cal Ripken 1 T6 Barry Larkin 1 After 11 RCAA/.828 OPS and 7 RCAA/.801 OPS the past 2 years, Tejada's off to a .518 SLG, .352 OBA, .870 OPS, 16 RCAA start in his first 137 games. He has a .787 career OPS, compared to his league average of .747, and 2 RCAA in 749 games. 13) Larry Walker tied Darryl Strawberry for 74th place on the all time HR list, with 335. 14) Mo Vaughn passed Cecil Fielder into 82nd place on the all time HR list, with 320. 15) Ron Gant passed George Brett and tied Roy Sievers for 84th place on the all time HR list, with 318. Gant also reached 1000 career RBI. 16) Manny Ramirez passed Rogers Hornsby into 93rd place on the all time HR list, with 302. 17) The A's set the franchise record with their 18th consecutive win. They will attempt to tie the AL record today, which is held by the 1906 Whitesox and 1947 Yankees. 18) The Mets tied the NL record with their 14th consecutive loss, tying the mark set by the 1911 Boston Braves (who were then known as the Rustlers). Correction from Saturday--Mark McGwire twice hit 3 HR as a visitor against the Phillies, not the A's. __________________ Lee Creator, Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. It's powerful, yet extremely easy to use. Features extensive sorting and stat display options. The CBE has many features that are not available in online and printed sources. Has 2006 stats and daily update service for 2007.

09-02-2002, 11:10 AM	#2
nyy26wc NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 14,584	1) Jeff Kent became the first 2B to have 6 consecutive years with 100+ RBI. Code: 1 Jeff Kent 1997-02 6 2 Charlie Gehringer 1932-36 5 3 Bobby Doerr 1948-50 3 T4 Rogers Hornsby 1921-22 2 T4 Tony Lazzeri 1926-27 2 T4 Tony Lazzeri 1929-30 2 T4 Tony Lazzeri 1932-33 2 T4 Joe Gordon 1939-40 2 T4 Ryne Sandberg 1990-91 2 T4 Carlos Baerga 1992-93 2 2) The Yankees called up P Randy Choate and C Alberto Castillo and released minor league P Brett Jodie. After starting his career with 4.76 ERA/1 RSAA and 3.35 ERA/6 RSAA seasons, Choate is off to a 6.33 ERA/-5 RSAA start in his first 17 games. After -17 RCAA/.552 OPS and -14 RCAA/.507 OPS the past 2 years, Castillo's off to a .222 SLG, .162 OBA, .384 OPS, -6 RCAA start in his first 14 games. He has a .573 career OPS, compared to his league average of .780, and -67 RCAA in 331 games. 3) Brewers P Shane Nance is out for the rest of the season, after tearing his right biceps when hitting in Saturday's game. Nance had a 4.26 ERA/0 RSAA in his first 4 major league games. 4) Diamondbacks CF Steve Finley missed yesterday's game, due to tightness in his left hamstring, and MGR Bob Brenly says he probably won't play today. After 20 RCAA/.904 OPS and -7 RCAA/.767 OPS the past 2 years, Finley's off to a .482 SLG, .362 OBA, .847 OPS, 12 RCAA start in his first 127 games. He has a .776 career OPS, compared to his league average of .755, and 95 RCAA in 1957 games. 5) The Cubs will call up P Steve Smyth before today's doubleheader. Smyth is off to a 9.98 ERA/-10 RSAA start in his first 4 major league starts and will start in today's doubleheader. 6) The Pirates called up P Salomon Torres. Torres was once a hyped prospect, a long time ago. He has a 5.71 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.46, and -43 RSAA in 68 games, from 1993-97. He'll take Bronson Arroyo's spot in the rotation. 7) Indians P Charles Nagy had to leave yesterday's game, due to a right knee injury. 8) Mariners utilityman Mark McLemore hyperextended his right elbow on Saturday and will have more tests today. While it's not yet how long he'll be out, this injury could be season ending. In addition to starting his career with 15 consecutive negative RCAA seasons, McLemore had a streak of 8 double digit negative RCAA over a 9 year span, from 1992-2000. Then, he provided the Mariners with a surprise .790 OPS/21 RCAA season in 2001. He's working on his 2nd consecutive productive year, with a .398 SLG, .382 OBA, .781 OPS, 11 RCAA in his first 103 games. McLemore has a .694 career OPS, compared to his league average of .765, and -136 RCAA in 1655 games. 9) The Giants activated OFs Marvin Benard and Shawon Dunston from the DL and called up 3B-OF Tony Torcato and Ps Troy Brohawn and Aaron Fultz. After 1 RCAA/.739 OPS and 2 RCAA/.759 OPS the past 2 years, Benard's off to a .427 SLG, .336 OBA, .763 OPS, 2 RCAA start in his first 59 games. he has a .752 career OPS, compared to his league average of .780, and 16 RCAA in 839 games. After -13 RCAA/.764 OPS and 2 RCAA/.804 OPS the past 2 years, Dunston's off to a .272 SLG, .241 OBA, .513 OPS, -10 RCAA start in his first 63 games. He has a .711 career OPS, compared to his league average of .741, and -151 RCAA in 1805 games. After a 4.93 ERA/-2 RSAA in 59 games as a 28 year old rookie with the 2001 Diamondbacks, Brohawn's off to a 7.71 ERA/-2 RSAA start in his first 7 games. After starting his career with 4.67 ERA/-3 RSAA and 4.56 ERA/-5 RSAA seasons, Fultz is off to a 5.60 ERA/-7 RSAA start in his first 34 games. 10) The Marlins called up OF Brian Banks and Ps Justin Wayne and Gary Knotts and released 2B Homer Bush. Banks had a .684 OPS/-9 RCAA in 161 games with the 1996-99 Brewers. Knotts, a 25 year old rookie who also appeared in 2 games last year, is off to a 6.00 ERA/-4 RSAA start in his first 18 games. After -33 RCAA/.524 OPS and -4 RCAA/.723 OPS with the BlueJays the past 2 years, Bush is off to a .265 SLG, .266 OBA, .531 OPS, -11 RCAA start in his first 63 games (first 23 with the BlueJays). He has a .685 career OPS, compared to his league average of .780, and -42 RCAA in 400 games. 11) The Mets called up Ps Pedro Feliciano, Tyler Walker and Satoru Komiyama and C Jason Phillips Komiyama, a 36 year old Japanese import, is off to a 6.25 ERA/-9 RSAA start in his first 22 major league games. 12) The Dodgers called up P Jeff Williams, OF Wilken Ruan, SS Joe Thurston and C David Ross. 13) The Reds activated P Jose Silva from the DL and will call up P Jared Fernandez today. After 5.56 ERA/-15 RSAA and 6.75 ERA/-8 RSAA the past 2 years, Silva's off to a 5.84 ERA/-2 RSAA start in his first 6 games. He has a 5.50 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.45, and -47 RSAA in 148 games. Fernandez, a 30 year old rookie who also appeared in 5 games last year, is off to a 4.27 ERA/1 RSAA start in his first 11 games (8 starts). 14) The Brewers called up SS Bill Hall and P Ben Diggins. 15) The Redsox called up P Wayne Gomes. After 4.40 ERA/3 RSAA and 5.29 ERA/-7 RSAA the past 2 years, Gomes is off to a 5.40 ERA/-1 RSAA start in his first 9 games. He has a 4.62 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.41, and -2 RSAA in 310 games. __________________ Lee Creator, Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. It's powerful, yet extremely easy to use. Features extensive sorting and stat display options. The CBE has many features that are not available in online and printed sources. Has 2006 stats and daily update service for 2007.

09-02-2002, 11:11 AM	#3
nyy26wc NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 14,584	1) Jim Thome reached 100 walks for the 4th consecutive year and the 6th time in his career. Thome is the only player in Indians history to ever have consecutive 100 walks seasons. In addition to his current streak, he also had a 2 year streak, in 1996-97. Everyone else in Indians history has combined for just 8 100 BB seasons-- Code: 1 Jim Thome 6 T2 Mike Hargrove 2 T2 Jack Graney 2 T4 Les Fleming 1 T4 Larry Doby 1 T4 Andre Thornton 1 T4 Al Rosen 1 2) Chuck Finley passed Warren Spahn into 19th place on the all time SO list and #5 for lefties. The new LHP top 10-- Code: 1 Steve Carlton 4136 2 Randy Johnson 3697 3 Mickey Lolich 2832 4 Frank Tanana 2773 5 Chuck Finley 2594 6 Warren Spahn 2583 7 Jerry Koosman 2556 8 Mark Langston 2464 9 Jim Kaat 2461 10 Sam McDowell 2453 3) The Angels activated RF Tim Salmon from the DL. He's only expected to be available for defense and pinch running until next week. After 39 RCAA/.945 OPS and -4 RCAA/.748 OPS the past 2 years, Salmon's off to a .516 SLG, .382 OBA, .897 OPS, 32 RCAA start in his first 115 games. He has a .902 career OPS, compared to his league average of .773, and 314 RCAA in 1365 games. 4) The Rockies called up OF Jason Romano, 2B Jose Ortiz, 1B-OF Ross Gload and C-OF Ben Petrick and P Randy Flores. Romano, a 23 year old rookie, was off to a .278 SLG, .254 OBA, .532 OPS, -5 RCAA start in his first 29 games, with the Rangers, before being released. Going into spring training last year, Ortiz was considered the A's 2B of the future. He had a .736 OPS/-14 RCAA as a 24 year old rookie last season, with the final 53 games coming with the Rockies, and is off to a .306 SLG, .309 OBA, .615 OPS, -13 RCAA start in his first 53 games. Petrick was once considered the Rockies C of the future, but now he has to be considered trade bait of the present, with the bait not having much value. He's off to a .296 SLG, .211 OBA, .506 OPS, -9 RCAA start in his first 27 games and has -18 RCAA in 183 career games. Flores, a 26 year old rookie, is off to a 4.15 ERA/2 RSAA start in his first 21 major league games, with the first 20 coming with the Rangers. 5) The Padres activated P Kevin Walker from the DL and released P Bobby Jones LHP. After starting his career with a 4.18 ERA/0 RSAA in 70 games as a 23 year old rookie in 2000, Walker had a 3.00 ERA/1 RSAA in just 16 games last year and has a 5.40 ERA/-1 RSAA in just 3 this season. After 6.35 ERA/-4 RSAA and 4.15 ERA/0 RSAA in 1999-2000, Jones missed the entire 2001 season, due to an injury. He's off to a 5.74 ERA/-5 RSAA start in 16 games (2 starts) this year, with the first 12 with the Mets. Jones has a 5.78 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.37, and -12 RSAA in 96 games. 6) The Phillies called up P Hector Mercado and activated INF Dave Hollins from the DL. After starting his career with 4.50 ERA/1 RSAA and 4.08 ERA/1 RSAA seasons with the Reds, Mercado's off to a 6.75 ERA/-6 RSAA start in his first 21 games. Hollins has played in just 6 games this year and has a .780 career OPS, compared to his league average of .756, and 43 RCAA in 975 games. 7) The Cubs called up P Pat Mahomes and C Mike Mahoney. After 5.46 ERA/-12 RSAA and 5.70 ERA/-15 RSAA the past 2 years, Mahomes is off to a 4.82 ERA/-1 RSAA start in his first 8 games. He has a 5.57 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.58, and -74 RSAA in 291 games. 8) The Dodgers activated P Giovanni Carrara from the DL. After a 3.16 ERA/7 RSAA season in 2001, Carrara's off to a 3.62 ERA/1 RSAA start in his first 54 games. He has a 5.39 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.40, and -34 RSAA in 142 games. 9) The Cardinals called up 1B Ivan Cruz and P Matt Duff. 10) Brewers CF Alex Sanchez is out for the rest of the season, after breaking his left ankle. After a .569 OPS/-5 RCAA in his first 30 major league games in 2001, Sanchez hit .358 SLG, .343 OBA, .701 OPS, -3 RCAA in 112 games this season. 11) The Pirates activated P Ron Villone from the DL. After 5.43 ERA/-7 RSAA and 5.89 ERA/-12 RSAA the past 2 years, Villone's off to a 6.17 ERA/-17 RSAA start in his first 38 games (7 starts). He has a 5.08 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.49, and -29 RSAA in 312 games. 12) Marlins CF Preston Wilson was scratched from yesterday's lineup, due to personal reasons. He was able to be used as a defensive replacement when he returned to the park later in the day. After 2 RCAA/.817 OPS and 4 RCAA/.825 OPS the past 2 years, Wilson is off to a .429 SLG, .337 OBA, .766 OPS, -2 RCAA start in his first 124 games. He has a .808 career OPS, compared to his league average of .784, and 8 RCAA in 579 games. MGR Jeff Torborg says they will "play it by ear" as to whether Wilson is going to make the trip to the New York for their series against the Mets. 13) Yankees RF Raul Mondesi had to be removed from Saturday's game and missed yesterday's, due to a sore right knee. After 4 RCAA/.852 OPS and -2 RCAA/.794 OPS the past 2 years, Mondesi's off to a .440 SLG, .311 OBA, .751 OPS, -7 RCAA start in his first 124 games, with the first 75 with the BlueJays. He has a .825 career OPS, compared to his league average of .770, and 116 RCAA in 1285 games. 14) The Padres set the major league record by using 57 players, breaking the mark held by the 1915 A's. 15) The BlueJays called up P Jason Kershner, who then had recently claimed off waivers from the Padres. 16) The Brewers activated P Nick Neugebauer from the DL. Neugebauer, a 21 year old rookie who also made 2 starts last year, is off to a 4.81 ERA/-4 RSAA start in his first 8 starts. __________________ Lee Creator, Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. 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09-02-2002, 11:15 AM	#4
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09-02-2002, 11:30 AM	#5
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