Wonder How Mike Hampton Likes Those School Systems Now?

Duque · 08-04-2001, 02:43 AM

Hampton, Mike: 11-8, 1.56 WHIP, .314 BAA, 5.10 ERA

Neagle, Denny: 6-6, 1.49 WHIP, .282 BAA, 5.34 ERA

So, what does work at Coors Field?

NetShrine · 08-04-2001, 08:40 AM

The surprise is that Hampton (thru M/E July) had a 4.52 ERA at Coors but a 5.35 ERA on the road! Go figure?

June (6.37 ERA) and July (8.91 ERA) have been the pits for him. The Rocks claimed, when they signed him, that all the cared about was wins, not ERA. Well, we won 3 games combined in June and July.

Rob Neyer did a piece a while back, working off the stats, and basically spelled out that the Rockies would just be better off out slugging teams and they should give up on spending money on pitchers. Give the Rockie record this year, he may be right?

BuzzBuzzard · 08-04-2001, 10:28 AM

F Hampton. It was all about the money. I hope he chokes on it. Clearly he forget that Columbine (sic) is in Colorado. Great school.

NetShrine · 08-04-2001, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by BuzzBuzzard
F Hampton. It was all about the money. I hope he chokes on it.

Buzz, 'member all doze times you called me a scorned Yankee fan?

I think you took one of my "Cone" quotes and inserted Hampton into it. Lazy posting homey.

nyy26wc · 08-04-2001, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Duque

So, what does work at Coors Field?

According to Brian McRae, personality.

From the March 8 edition of my around the majors reports--ESPN broadcaster Brian McRae gets a stupidity award for saying Mike Hampton & Denny Neagle will pitch well in Colorado, "Because of their personality. Personality is the key to pitching in that ballpark."

So, if personality is the key to pitching well, then how does McRae account for all of the quality pitchers, around the league, who must develop bad personalities the day they pitch there and then change their personalities for when they pitch everywhere else?

Also, Hampton "personalitied" his way to a 6.48 career ERA in Coors, while Neagle's Coors Field personality has produced a 7.30 career ERA there. What makes McRae think they will discard those personalities and get new ones?

BuzzBuzzard · 08-04-2001, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NetShrine

Buzz, 'member all doze times you called me a scorned Yankee fan? I think you took one of my "Cone" quotes and inserted Hampton into it. Lazy posting homey.

No plagiarism on my part. All my posts are originals.

NetShrine · 08-04-2001, 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by nyy26wc
According to Brian McRae, personality.

From the March 8 edition of my around the majors reports--ESPN broadcaster Brian McRae gets a stupidity award for saying Mike Hampton & Denny Neagle will pitch well in Colorado, "Because of their personality. Personality is the key to pitching in that ballpark."

Dave LaPoint and Joe Magrane have all the personality in the world.

But, I wouldn't want them taking the mound for me at Coors.

Me? I think the type of pitcher that succeeds at Coors was illustrated by the guy who pitched the best game there - Nomo. High fatsballs at the top of the zone and above - with a little zip on them combined with a good splitter or forkball. Then again, this type of pitcher may do well anywhere.

Working the corners or trying to bend it ain't gonna work there, IMHO.

BuzzBuzzard · 02-20-2002, 09:05 AM

This is to good to be true. What a joke, he went there to win. That is an all out lie.

Piazza still a little bitter about Hampton calling him for not retaliating in the WS, too.

sooner than later

Xanadu Dragon · 02-20-2002, 11:08 AM

I read it fast - but, didn't see any quote from Hampton in the piece - - why should anyone believe this?

satchel · 02-20-2002, 11:35 AM

There was a Hampton quote:

"We traded away so many damn players," he carped upon arriving in Tucson on Sunday. "I've got seven more years left, and I'd rather win sooner than later. I came here to win, not to sit around and collect a paycheck"

It certainly is possible the reporter is manufacturing a story a bit because he knows Mets fans will want to see Hampton suffer. Still, the above sounds like pretty typical long-term-contract complaints. Compare Manny Ramirez for an example which comes to mind immediately. I have to go with Piazza on this one. This is the risk you take in exchange for 8 years of security.

Duque · 02-20-2002, 11:35 AM

Here's a piece from the AP that I imagine Heyman is referring to:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news/ap/...s-hampton.html

Hampton healing, but still sore about club's player moves
By JOHN MOSSMAN
AP Sports Writer
February 17, 2002

TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) -- Nothing upsets Mike Hampton more than the way he pitched over the second half of last season -- unless it's the way that Colorado Rockies' management dismantled the team around him.

Hampton, who signed an eight-year, $121 million contract with the Rockies a year ago that was the most lucrative ever given a pitcher, paid only marginal dividends in 2001.

He started 9-2 with a 2.98 ERA to become the first pitcher in franchise history to be selected to the All-Star game. In his final 19 starts, however, he went 5-11 with a 7.37 ERA and wasn't able to stop the Rockies' midseason slide that saw them go 10-35 and fall far from contention.

To his credit, he refuses to blame a groin injury that he originally hurt in the spring and aggravated two months into the season. It lingered for four months and required surgery in November.

As Rockies pitchers and catchers held their first workout of the spring on Sunday, Hampton said the groin is fine and he won't be limited in any drills this spring. He's still sore, however, about the relentless turnover of personnel on the club.

The Rockies' problems began at about the same time they traded away veteran catcher Brent Mayne on June 24. Popular shortstop Neifi Perez and workhorse right-hander Pedro Astacio were dealt a month later.

In the offseason, the Rockies unloaded third baseman Jeff Cirillo as part of a salary-reduction move, and they shipped reliable reliever Mike Myers to Arizona for prospects.

``We lost or traded away so many damn good players,'' Hampton said. ``Shoot, the whole year we were throwing people in and out. It was tough to watch. It was brutal. There were a lot of good players that came in and out of this clubhouse last year.

``We've got a good nucleus of young pitching and some young infielders and outfielders, and hopefully we can keep a lot of these guys together. I've got seven more years here, and I'd rather win sooner than later. I came here to win, not to sit around and collect a paycheck.''

Hampton said he was never consulted about any of the moves.

``They have a right to do anything they want,'' he said. ``They can sign and release whoever they want. It's out of my hands. I'm just paid to play baseball and pitch.''

General manager Dan O'Dowd said he wasn't disturbed by Hampton's remarks.

``We took our payroll down about $15 million,'' O'Dowd said, ``but at the same time we restructured how we allocated our assets. I think our product has a chance to be as good or better than it was last year. Obviously, we have some youth at some key positions, but with that youth also comes talent.

``I think the core here is very solid. I think they understand what we're trying to do, and I think they believe in it. We all just want to win.''

Hampton said diminished expectations might benefit the Rockies this time around.

``Last year, we came in with some high expectations, and basically we stunk,'' he said. ``Hopefully, with not a whole lot of expectations coming into this spring, we can surprise some people.''

Hampton insisted his poor second half was due to factors other than his groin injury.

``It was sore, but it didn't affect the way I pitched,'' he said. ``It was pretty much just me. If I felt I was hurting the team, I wouldn't have pitched. But I felt like I still could win and perform at a high level, high enough to help this team.

``I don't think that was a factor in having a poor second half. I just lost my location and release point. I just wasn't a good pitcher in the second half. You continue to learn, regardless of how long you're in this game, and hopefully I learned a lot.''

In particular, Hampton lost command of his sinker, a key part of his repertoire when pitching in Coors Field.

The soreness in his groin was traced to scar tissue which was removed on Nov. 27.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Rockies were definitely foolish to give a guy with Hampton's track record (namely, bad control and bad K/BB ratios) that big of a contract. I remember when Gammons said Hampton was quickly ascending to the level of Clemens, Pedro, Johnson, and Maddux - how quickly that changed.

Xanadu Dragon · 02-20-2002, 11:39 AM

Thanks for correcting me on the quote.

Now, I have to ask Hampton. Uh, what "good" players were traded away? Perez? Cirillo? Bichette? Come again Mike?

KCBOOMER · 02-20-2002, 11:43 AM

I guess the Mets fans are just pissed because the Astros out slicked them when they traded Hampton to them.

BuzzBuzzard · 02-20-2002, 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by KCBOOMER
I guess the Mets fans are just pissed because the Astros out slicked them when they traded Hampton to them.

Nah, it's the hypocracy of his comments that gets me irked.

Xanadu Dragon · 02-20-2002, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by BuzzBuzzard
Nah, it's the hypocracy of his comments that gets me irked.

I'm not convinced. Would you have been as upset if Denny Neagle made the same comments?

08-04-2001, 02:43 AM	#1
Duque NetShrine's Desperado Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Southern CA Posts: 2,638	Wonder How Mike Hampton Likes Those School Systems Now? Hampton, Mike: 11-8, 1.56 WHIP, .314 BAA, 5.10 ERA Neagle, Denny: 6-6, 1.49 WHIP, .282 BAA, 5.34 ERA So, what does work at Coors Field?

08-04-2001, 10:28 AM	#3
BuzzBuzzard NetShrine's Conscience Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The bowels of Shea Posts: 3,062	F Hampton. It was all about the money. I hope he chokes on it. Clearly he forget that Columbine (sic) is in Colorado. Great school. __________________ Buzzard You Gotta Believe

02-20-2002, 09:05 AM	#8
BuzzBuzzard NetShrine's Conscience Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The bowels of Shea Posts: 3,062	This is to good to be true. What a joke, he went there to win. That is an all out lie. Piazza still a little bitter about Hampton calling him for not retaliating in the WS, too. sooner than later __________________ Buzzard You Gotta Believe

02-20-2002, 11:08 AM	#9
Xanadu Dragon NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 2,704	I read it fast - but, didn't see any quote from Hampton in the piece - - why should anyone believe this? __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator PLEASE READ: Community Standards . : ~ : PLEASE SHOP: Our Stuff! : ~ : HOW CAN YOU: Help? : ~ : BE NICE: To Your Fav Baseball Person.

02-20-2002, 11:35 AM	#11
Duque NetShrine's Desperado Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Southern CA Posts: 2,638	Here's a piece from the AP that I imagine Heyman is referring to: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news/ap/...s-hampton.html Hampton healing, but still sore about club's player moves By JOHN MOSSMAN AP Sports Writer February 17, 2002 TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) -- Nothing upsets Mike Hampton more than the way he pitched over the second half of last season -- unless it's the way that Colorado Rockies' management dismantled the team around him. Hampton, who signed an eight-year, $121 million contract with the Rockies a year ago that was the most lucrative ever given a pitcher, paid only marginal dividends in 2001. He started 9-2 with a 2.98 ERA to become the first pitcher in franchise history to be selected to the All-Star game. In his final 19 starts, however, he went 5-11 with a 7.37 ERA and wasn't able to stop the Rockies' midseason slide that saw them go 10-35 and fall far from contention. To his credit, he refuses to blame a groin injury that he originally hurt in the spring and aggravated two months into the season. It lingered for four months and required surgery in November. As Rockies pitchers and catchers held their first workout of the spring on Sunday, Hampton said the groin is fine and he won't be limited in any drills this spring. He's still sore, however, about the relentless turnover of personnel on the club. The Rockies' problems began at about the same time they traded away veteran catcher Brent Mayne on June 24. Popular shortstop Neifi Perez and workhorse right-hander Pedro Astacio were dealt a month later. In the offseason, the Rockies unloaded third baseman Jeff Cirillo as part of a salary-reduction move, and they shipped reliable reliever Mike Myers to Arizona for prospects. ``We lost or traded away so many damn good players,'' Hampton said. ``Shoot, the whole year we were throwing people in and out. It was tough to watch. It was brutal. There were a lot of good players that came in and out of this clubhouse last year. ``We've got a good nucleus of young pitching and some young infielders and outfielders, and hopefully we can keep a lot of these guys together. I've got seven more years here, and I'd rather win sooner than later. I came here to win, not to sit around and collect a paycheck.'' Hampton said he was never consulted about any of the moves. ``They have a right to do anything they want,'' he said. ``They can sign and release whoever they want. It's out of my hands. I'm just paid to play baseball and pitch.'' General manager Dan O'Dowd said he wasn't disturbed by Hampton's remarks. ``We took our payroll down about $15 million,'' O'Dowd said, ``but at the same time we restructured how we allocated our assets. I think our product has a chance to be as good or better than it was last year. Obviously, we have some youth at some key positions, but with that youth also comes talent. ``I think the core here is very solid. I think they understand what we're trying to do, and I think they believe in it. We all just want to win.'' Hampton said diminished expectations might benefit the Rockies this time around. ``Last year, we came in with some high expectations, and basically we stunk,'' he said. ``Hopefully, with not a whole lot of expectations coming into this spring, we can surprise some people.'' Hampton insisted his poor second half was due to factors other than his groin injury. ``It was sore, but it didn't affect the way I pitched,'' he said. ``It was pretty much just me. If I felt I was hurting the team, I wouldn't have pitched. But I felt like I still could win and perform at a high level, high enough to help this team. ``I don't think that was a factor in having a poor second half. I just lost my location and release point. I just wasn't a good pitcher in the second half. You continue to learn, regardless of how long you're in this game, and hopefully I learned a lot.'' In particular, Hampton lost command of his sinker, a key part of his repertoire when pitching in Coors Field. The soreness in his groin was traced to scar tissue which was removed on Nov. 27. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Rockies were definitely foolish to give a guy with Hampton's track record (namely, bad control and bad K/BB ratios) that big of a contract. I remember when Gammons said Hampton was quickly ascending to the level of Clemens, Pedro, Johnson, and Maddux - how quickly that changed. __________________ Bad Andy It's such a fine line between stupid and clever.

08-04-2001, 08:40 AM	#2
NetShrine Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 4,617	The surprise is that Hampton (thru M/E July) had a 4.52 ERA at Coors but a 5.35 ERA on the road! Go figure? June (6.37 ERA) and July (8.91 ERA) have been the pits for him. The Rocks claimed, when they signed him, that all the cared about was wins, not ERA. Well, we won 3 games combined in June and July. Rob Neyer did a piece a while back, working off the stats, and basically spelled out that the Rockies would just be better off out slugging teams and they should give up on spending money on pitchers. Give the Rockie record this year, he may be right?

02-20-2002, 11:35 AM	#10
satchel NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 2,600	There was a Hampton quote: "We traded away so many damn players," he carped upon arriving in Tucson on Sunday. "I've got seven more years left, and I'd rather win sooner than later. I came here to win, not to sit around and collect a paycheck" It certainly is possible the reporter is manufacturing a story a bit because he knows Mets fans will want to see Hampton suffer. Still, the above sounds like pretty typical long-term-contract complaints. Compare Manny Ramirez for an example which comes to mind immediately. I have to go with Piazza on this one. This is the risk you take in exchange for 8 years of security.

02-20-2002, 11:39 AM	#12
Xanadu Dragon NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 2,704	Thanks for correcting me on the quote. Now, I have to ask Hampton. Uh, what "good" players were traded away? Perez? Cirillo? Bichette? Come again Mike? __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator PLEASE READ: Community Standards . : ~ : PLEASE SHOP: Our Stuff! : ~ : HOW CAN YOU: Help? : ~ : BE NICE: To Your Fav Baseball Person.

02-20-2002, 11:43 AM	#13
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	I guess the Mets fans are just pissed because the Astros out slicked them when they traded Hampton to them. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

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