Klu Suggests NDF replaces BBWAA [Merged Threads]

07-31-2002, 11:02 AM

These are the rules...

1. The 2003 BBWAA Ballot will be posted on August 1, 2002 - tomorrow - in its own thread. It will list the 16 players who received between 5-75% support in 2002 and who have spent fewer than 15 years on the ballot so far.

2. The ballot will also include the names of newly eligible candidates (who retired in or after the 1997 season and haven't played in the Majors since). I may miss a few names here and there (hopefully no one who is a serious candidate) and those I neglect to add to the ballot are certainly available to voters as write-in candidates.

3. Only players mentioned in the above two rules are eligible to be voted for. Pete Rose, Joe Jackson and any other "banned" player is ineligible. Players who have been dropped from previous BBWAA ballots (Ted Simmons, Ron Guidry, Lou Whitaker) are ineligible for votes. Votes for ineligible players will be null and void.

4. Voters may vote only once and may vote for anywhere from zero to ten candidates. If you intend to vote for zero candidates, please indicate so with a note - something more than just a blank e-mail. If you vote for more than ten candidates, none of your votes will count and your ballot will be disqualified.

4. Ballots are to be mailed to me at brad@getgoin.net anytime thru the 25th of the month. Results will be tabulated and posted thereafter in the thread for the ballot in question.

5. Feel free to discuss the relative merits of candidates within the thread. You are free to tell others who you are voting for and why, if you choose.

6. Players who receive 75% or more support on the ballots will be elected. Players who receive less than 5% - or who have appeared on 15 ballots without gaining election - will be dropped.

7. A new ballot will be created based on the rules above, adding newly eligible players. It will follow all the same rules as above. So, the "2004 BBWAA ballot" will be created based on how we vote in August and it will be posted (with 1998 retirees being added this time) on September 1. So on and so forth for roughly six months until we run out of newly retired players to add. Each ballot will have its own thread.

JamesI · 07-31-2002, 11:11 AM

Interesting, looking forward to seeing how it goes!

KCBOOMER · 07-31-2002, 12:00 PM

Klu, I think this is a great idea. You know in December and January the BBWAA vote for 2003 inductees will be a major topic here.

pwdennis · 07-31-2002, 05:10 PM

Fuzzy Bear · 07-31-2002, 05:17 PM

I LOVE IT!!!!!

Golden Bear · 07-31-2002, 07:20 PM

This is great work, Klu.

NCFella19 · 07-31-2002, 07:30 PM

Awesome.

moose · 07-31-2002, 10:41 PM

laudatory comment.

08-01-2002, 09:06 AM

The Rules

1. Below is the 2003 BBWAA Ballot. It lists 20 players who have been carried over from last year's ballot as well as four "freshmen" players who are newly eligible for consideration. There are other newly eligible candidates (who retired in or after the 1997 season and haven't played in the Major Leagues since and played in all or part of 10 seasons in the Major Leagues). Any such player is available as a write-in candidate. Only players who fit the above description are eligible to be voted for. Any vote cast for an ineligible player will be null and void.

2. Voters may vote only once per individual and may vote for anywhere from zero to ten candidates. If you intend to vote for zero candidates, please indicate so with a note - something more than just a blank e-mail. If you vote for more than ten candidates, none of your votes will count and your ballot will be disqualified.

3. Ballots are to be e-mailed to me at brad@getgoin.net before August 26, 2002. The results will be tabulated and posted on the 26th of this month, in this thread. Please include your username within the text of the e-mail - to make record keeping easier.

4. Feel free to discuss the relative merits of candidates within this thread. You are free to tell others who you are voting for and why, if you choose.

5. Players who receive 75% or more support on the ballot will be elected to the Hall of Fame. This year's ballot - 2002 - saw one such electee. Ozzie Smith.

6. Players who receive less than 5% support, or who have appeared on 15 ballots and not been elected, will be dropped from the ballot permanently.

NOTE: The 2004 BBWAA Ballot will be created based on what transpires in this thread. It will be posted in a separate thread on September 1, 2002. It will follow all the same rules as this ballot does.

This is an on-going project and will continue the remainder of this calendar year, leading into the actual BBWAA election.

Enjoy!

08-01-2002, 09:21 AM

The 2003 BBWAA Ballot
(The year listed is for this ballot. The percentage of ballots named is for the previous election.)

Gary Carter - 6th year on ballot. Received 72% support last year.

Jim Rice - 9th year on ballot. Received 55% support.

Bruce Sutter - 9th year on ballot. Received 50% support.

Andre Dawson - 2nd year on ballot. Received 45% support.

Goose Gossage - 4th year on ballot. Received 43% support.

Steve Garvey - 11th year on ballot. Received 28% support.

Tommy John - 9th year on ballot. Received 26% support.

Bert Blyleven - 6th year on ballot. Received 26% support.

Jim Kaat - 15th year on ballot. Received 23% support.

Jack Morris - 4th year on ballot. Received 20% support.

Don Mattingly - 3rd year on ballot. Received 20% support.

Alan Trammell - 2nd year on ballot. Received 15% support.

Dale Murphy - 5th year on ballot. Received 14% support.

Dave Parker - 7th year on ballot. Received 13% support.

Dave Concepcion - 10th year on ballot. Received 11% support.

Keith Hernandez - 8th year on ballot. Received 6% support.

Eddie Murray - 1st year on ballot.

Ryne Sandberg - 1st year on ballot.

Lee Smith - 1st year on ballot.

Fernando Valenzuela - 1st year on ballot.

Remember. E-mail your ballot to brad@getgoin.net before August 26, 2002 with zero to ten players named.

sweaver · 08-01-2002, 09:53 AM

Klu---aren't there more players on the ballot? You have the top candidates here, but I don't think it's complete.

I'll cast votes for Carter, Sutter, Gossage, John, Blyleven, Kaat, Trammell, Murray, and Sandberg, total of 9.

poorme · 08-01-2002, 09:57 AM

I'll go murray, gossage, trammell, carter, and sandberg.

tough call on blyleven and john. if one goes so does the other. let me ponder them for a while.

LeGrandOrange · 08-01-2002, 10:20 AM

I'm going to disobey you and write in a candidate...and also post the ballot here because I'm lazy:

1. Gary Carter
2. Jim Rice
3. Bert Blyleven
4. Tommy John
5. Andre Dawson
6. Dale Murphy
7. Eddie Murray
8. Ryne Sandberg
9. Lee Smith
10. Brett Butler (write-in)

There should probably be at least 10-12 new guys a year on the ballot. Along with Butler, those ideas would include Tartabull, Tettleton, Seitzer, Pena, Coleman, Worrell, and even Mitch Williams. But other then Butler, none of those guys look like hall of famers, so there's probably a reason the ballot is trunucated.

VNV Nation · 08-01-2002, 10:35 AM

1. Murray
2. Sandberg
3. Carter

KCBOOMER · 08-01-2002, 11:01 AM

1. Murray
2. Carter
3. Trammell

07-31-2002, 11:02 AM	#1
BigKlu Posts: n/a	NDF replaces BBWAA - Rules These are the rules... 1. The 2003 BBWAA Ballot will be posted on August 1, 2002 - tomorrow - in its own thread. It will list the 16 players who received between 5-75% support in 2002 and who have spent fewer than 15 years on the ballot so far. 2. The ballot will also include the names of newly eligible candidates (who retired in or after the 1997 season and haven't played in the Majors since). I may miss a few names here and there (hopefully no one who is a serious candidate) and those I neglect to add to the ballot are certainly available to voters as write-in candidates. 3. Only players mentioned in the above two rules are eligible to be voted for. Pete Rose, Joe Jackson and any other "banned" player is ineligible. Players who have been dropped from previous BBWAA ballots (Ted Simmons, Ron Guidry, Lou Whitaker) are ineligible for votes. Votes for ineligible players will be null and void. 4. Voters may vote only once and may vote for anywhere from zero to ten candidates. If you intend to vote for zero candidates, please indicate so with a note - something more than just a blank e-mail. If you vote for more than ten candidates, none of your votes will count and your ballot will be disqualified. 4. Ballots are to be mailed to me at brad@getgoin.net anytime thru the 25th of the month. Results will be tabulated and posted thereafter in the thread for the ballot in question. 5. Feel free to discuss the relative merits of candidates within the thread. You are free to tell others who you are voting for and why, if you choose. 6. Players who receive 75% or more support on the ballots will be elected. Players who receive less than 5% - or who have appeared on 15 ballots without gaining election - will be dropped. 7. A new ballot will be created based on the rules above, adding newly eligible players. It will follow all the same rules as above. So, the "2004 BBWAA ballot" will be created based on how we vote in August and it will be posted (with 1998 retirees being added this time) on September 1. So on and so forth for roughly six months until we run out of newly retired players to add. Each ballot will have its own thread.

07-31-2002, 12:00 PM	#3
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	Klu, I think this is a great idea. You know in December and January the BBWAA vote for 2003 inductees will be a major topic here. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

07-31-2002, 05:10 PM	#4
pwdennis NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 2,503	cool __________________ "I would submit that if the world survives for a million years, perhaps its finest hour may be that in the last half of the 20th century, when the power to blow up the world rested in the hands of a few men in two very unsophisticated and suspicious countries, we didn't do it, and one American, Richard Nixon, moved the cold war away from permanent confrontation toward victory. How could any wrong that he did compare with that?" - John Sears

07-31-2002, 07:30 PM	#7
NCFella19 All-NetShrine Team Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 417	Awesome. __________________ "It's not the high price of stardom that bothers me, it's the high price of mediocrity." -- Bill Veeck

08-01-2002, 09:06 AM	#9
BigKlu Posts: n/a	NDF replaces BBWAA - 2003 Ballot The Rules 1. Below is the 2003 BBWAA Ballot. It lists 20 players who have been carried over from last year's ballot as well as four "freshmen" players who are newly eligible for consideration. There are other newly eligible candidates (who retired in or after the 1997 season and haven't played in the Major Leagues since and played in all or part of 10 seasons in the Major Leagues). Any such player is available as a write-in candidate. Only players who fit the above description are eligible to be voted for. Any vote cast for an ineligible player will be null and void. 2. Voters may vote only once per individual and may vote for anywhere from zero to ten candidates. If you intend to vote for zero candidates, please indicate so with a note - something more than just a blank e-mail. If you vote for more than ten candidates, none of your votes will count and your ballot will be disqualified. 3. Ballots are to be e-mailed to me at brad@getgoin.net before August 26, 2002. The results will be tabulated and posted on the 26th of this month, in this thread. Please include your username within the text of the e-mail - to make record keeping easier. 4. Feel free to discuss the relative merits of candidates within this thread. You are free to tell others who you are voting for and why, if you choose. 5. Players who receive 75% or more support on the ballot will be elected to the Hall of Fame. This year's ballot - 2002 - saw one such electee. Ozzie Smith. 6. Players who receive less than 5% support, or who have appeared on 15 ballots and not been elected, will be dropped from the ballot permanently. NOTE: The 2004 BBWAA Ballot will be created based on what transpires in this thread. It will be posted in a separate thread on September 1, 2002. It will follow all the same rules as this ballot does. This is an on-going project and will continue the remainder of this calendar year, leading into the actual BBWAA election. Enjoy!

07-31-2002, 11:11 AM	#2
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	Interesting, looking forward to seeing how it goes!

07-31-2002, 05:17 PM	#5
Fuzzy Bear NetShrine's Evangelist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Living by faith, and not by sight! Posts: 2,194	I LOVE IT!!!!!

07-31-2002, 07:20 PM	#6
Golden Bear NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,100	This is great work, Klu.

07-31-2002, 10:41 PM	#8
moose Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Socs Posts: 3,400	laudatory comment.

08-01-2002, 09:21 AM	#10
BigKlu Posts: n/a	The 2003 BBWAA Ballot (The year listed is for this ballot. The percentage of ballots named is for the previous election.) Gary Carter - 6th year on ballot. Received 72% support last year. Jim Rice - 9th year on ballot. Received 55% support. Bruce Sutter - 9th year on ballot. Received 50% support. Andre Dawson - 2nd year on ballot. Received 45% support. Goose Gossage - 4th year on ballot. Received 43% support. Steve Garvey - 11th year on ballot. Received 28% support. Tommy John - 9th year on ballot. Received 26% support. Bert Blyleven - 6th year on ballot. Received 26% support. Jim Kaat - 15th year on ballot. Received 23% support. Jack Morris - 4th year on ballot. Received 20% support. Don Mattingly - 3rd year on ballot. Received 20% support. Alan Trammell - 2nd year on ballot. Received 15% support. Dale Murphy - 5th year on ballot. Received 14% support. Dave Parker - 7th year on ballot. Received 13% support. Dave Concepcion - 10th year on ballot. Received 11% support. Keith Hernandez - 8th year on ballot. Received 6% support. Eddie Murray - 1st year on ballot. Ryne Sandberg - 1st year on ballot. Lee Smith - 1st year on ballot. Fernando Valenzuela - 1st year on ballot. Remember. E-mail your ballot to brad@getgoin.net before August 26, 2002 with zero to ten players named.

08-01-2002, 09:53 AM	#11
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Klu---aren't there more players on the ballot? You have the top candidates here, but I don't think it's complete. I'll cast votes for Carter, Sutter, Gossage, John, Blyleven, Kaat, Trammell, Murray, and Sandberg, total of 9.

08-01-2002, 09:57 AM	#12
poorme Guest Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: washington dc Posts: 2,625	I'll go murray, gossage, trammell, carter, and sandberg. tough call on blyleven and john. if one goes so does the other. let me ponder them for a while.

08-01-2002, 10:20 AM	#13
LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	I'm going to disobey you and write in a candidate...and also post the ballot here because I'm lazy: 1. Gary Carter 2. Jim Rice 3. Bert Blyleven 4. Tommy John 5. Andre Dawson 6. Dale Murphy 7. Eddie Murray 8. Ryne Sandberg 9. Lee Smith 10. Brett Butler (write-in) There should probably be at least 10-12 new guys a year on the ballot. Along with Butler, those ideas would include Tartabull, Tettleton, Seitzer, Pena, Coleman, Worrell, and even Mitch Williams. But other then Butler, none of those guys look like hall of famers, so there's probably a reason the ballot is trunucated. Last edited by LeGrandOrange : 08-01-2002 at 10:23 AM.

08-01-2002, 10:35 AM	#14
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	1. Murray 2. Sandberg 3. Carter Last edited by VNV Nation : 08-01-2002 at 10:39 AM.

08-01-2002, 11:01 AM	#15
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	1. Murray 2. Carter 3. Trammell __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

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