Olberman - Players against strike? [merged threads]

Allard · 07-29-2002, 03:50 PM

Keith Olbermann just posted the following story on Salon.com. He says that the players of an unidentified small maket team have voted against setting a strike date. The team is not Pittsburgh or Oakland. Who could this be? Has anyone heard this from another source?

http://www.salon.com/news/sports/col...ike/index.html

This is the first sign I have seen of the players union not being unified. It probably won't amount to much, as Bud would just bungle this opportunity like every other one he has screwed up. What happens if the union cannot get every team to vote for a strike?

KCBOOMER · 07-29-2002, 04:02 PM

I wonder how good Olberman's info is. "Setting a Strike Date" is a very formal thing and shouldn't be confused with the players not wanting to go on strike.

The Royals in a weekend informal poll were asked whether there would be a strike and thought there wouldn't be. But if Don and Gene said we're walking you know they would fall right in line.

As you pointed out Ol' Bud & the Boys could make allies out of the Palestinians and Israelis.

Allard · 07-29-2002, 04:12 PM

Olberman's info probably isn't any less reliable than say...Peter Gammons, but I still probably wouldn't consider it gospel. Still, he makes it sound like one of the teams Fehr visited in his tour across America voted not to strike, which I have never heard of. Pittsburgh voted unanimously to strike, and Oakland sounded gung ho as well. If I were to float a guess as to which team this was, I would guess Cincinatti. Griffey was whining in the papers today about how he hoped there wasn't a strike.

I realize that this is all formality and doesn't have much bearing on whether there will be a strike or not. But it is interesting to hear that the players union might not have the solidarity it had in '94.

Max Power · 07-29-2002, 04:13 PM

Why am I thinking of Jerry Terrell here?

Fuzzy Bear · 07-29-2002, 04:53 PM

Really, why would any of these guys strike? Why wouldn't they play without a contract? And why would the owners sponsor a lockout? Is the strike insurance THAT lucrative?

I've gotta believe that there is at least ONE team where a majority of the players have come to realize that the fans patience and wallets have limits. Not to mention the taxpayers.

Does it register on the players that when you push a sport to the point where there is a discussion of contraction, this gives the appearance of ABA/WHAish instability that won't bring a municipality to spend loads to upgrade a stadium, or build another one? I've got to believe that this registers on a majority of the players of at least one team!

A strike is in NO ONE's best interest. If that's the case, should the players be like lemmings, or like men? Should the owners be like spoiled children, or like men?

I believe that a strike at this time will economically decimate not only major league baseball, but a number of municipalities who have gone into hock to build new ballparks. The ripple effects of a strike (and contraction, which, I believe, WILL occur after a strike, but can be avoided without one) will be tremendous, especially given that this is not the propsperous 1990s, but the era we now live in.

Again, I call on President Bush and the Congress to intervene in this situation, BEFORE the cataclysm. We need leadership, and it's not coming from Bud.

soxfan121 · 07-29-2002, 04:58 PM

Cincy makes sense.

But so does Montreal. And Anaheim. And the Twins. And maybe even Milwaukee.

cubfan33 · 07-29-2002, 04:58 PM

Olbermann still rules, tho I blame him for the current crop of sportscasters that think you need to do standup during highlight reels.

Minnesota doesn't want to strike, I've heard, but I don't have any solid info. ESPN is reporting Aug 16th as the strike date which is the earliest I've heard by far. I CANNOT imagine them going out that early ... 9/11 is going to be a factor in the strike date.

Calling on Bush to help is like pouring gasoline on a fire. The last thing we need is Congress or worse, W coming in trying to do anything. Let them stick to the "war" or something ... baseball has enough problems without asking a minority owner to step in and yes, W *IS* a current minority owner.

Allard · 07-31-2002, 10:46 AM

Keith Olberman has posted another story on Salon, this time saying that two more teams have voted not to strike, in addition to the one that has already voted not to.

Two questions. One: Why is Keith Olberman breaking these stories? Two: If this is true, have the players lost some of their leverage?

http://www.salon.com/news/sports/col...ike/index.html

rcartman28 · 07-31-2002, 10:52 AM

Is this story as credible as mlb.com "quoting" Jeff Kent about conceding contraction ???

tortured angel · 07-31-2002, 10:54 AM

The obvious question is what does this mean in any real sense? Are team votes counted? Is this like the electoral college or does each union member get an individual vote? If it is team votes who breaks a 15 all tie?

Allard · 07-31-2002, 11:19 AM

Or, does this mean we could see more players crossing the picket line if there is a strike? Players can still recite the names of the players that crossed the line 8 years ago. Could get nasty.

sweaver · 07-31-2002, 11:25 AM

Within the teams, majority rules. If the vote is not overwhelming, however, I can't see the players going out on strike. Fehr knows he needs stronger support than that for a strike.

KCBOOMER · 07-31-2002, 11:36 AM

Until Olberman names teams and it is confirmed this story should just be ignored.

tortured angel · 07-31-2002, 11:40 AM

Excellent call BOOMER.

WiredTiger · 07-31-2002, 01:36 PM

I heard on the radio and read in the newspapers that the Tigers had voted to strike and it was unanimous. So I am sure that other votes got out to the media. I am sure one of the teams probably isn't the Brewers.

07-29-2002, 03:50 PM	#1
Allard NetShrine MVP Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 157	Players against strike? Keith Olbermann just posted the following story on Salon.com. He says that the players of an unidentified small maket team have voted against setting a strike date. The team is not Pittsburgh or Oakland. Who could this be? Has anyone heard this from another source? http://www.salon.com/news/sports/col...ike/index.html This is the first sign I have seen of the players union not being unified. It probably won't amount to much, as Bud would just bungle this opportunity like every other one he has screwed up. What happens if the union cannot get every team to vote for a strike? __________________ "Sometimes a double is just as good as a home run." -- Tony Muser

07-29-2002, 04:02 PM	#2
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	I wonder how good Olberman's info is. "Setting a Strike Date" is a very formal thing and shouldn't be confused with the players not wanting to go on strike. The Royals in a weekend informal poll were asked whether there would be a strike and thought there wouldn't be. But if Don and Gene said we're walking you know they would fall right in line. As you pointed out Ol' Bud & the Boys could make allies out of the Palestinians and Israelis. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

07-29-2002, 04:12 PM	#3
Allard NetShrine MVP Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 157	Olberman's info probably isn't any less reliable than say...Peter Gammons, but I still probably wouldn't consider it gospel. Still, he makes it sound like one of the teams Fehr visited in his tour across America voted not to strike, which I have never heard of. Pittsburgh voted unanimously to strike, and Oakland sounded gung ho as well. If I were to float a guess as to which team this was, I would guess Cincinatti. Griffey was whining in the papers today about how he hoped there wasn't a strike. I realize that this is all formality and doesn't have much bearing on whether there will be a strike or not. But it is interesting to hear that the players union might not have the solidarity it had in '94. __________________ "Sometimes a double is just as good as a home run." -- Tony Muser Last edited by Allard : 07-29-2002 at 04:15 PM.

07-29-2002, 04:13 PM	#4
Max Power NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: May 2002 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 5,548	Why am I thinking of Jerry Terrell here? __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator "They come and they go, Hobbs. They come and they go." That's why there's NetShrine.com

07-29-2002, 04:58 PM	#7
cubfan33 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,359	Small Market Olbermann still rules, tho I blame him for the current crop of sportscasters that think you need to do standup during highlight reels. Minnesota doesn't want to strike, I've heard, but I don't have any solid info. ESPN is reporting Aug 16th as the strike date which is the earliest I've heard by far. I CANNOT imagine them going out that early ... 9/11 is going to be a factor in the strike date. Calling on Bush to help is like pouring gasoline on a fire. The last thing we need is Congress or worse, W coming in trying to do anything. Let them stick to the "war" or something ... baseball has enough problems without asking a minority owner to step in and yes, W IS a current minority owner. __________________ UTK available only at www.baseballprospectus.com "I was pulling for Pete and agreeing with (commissioner) Bud Selig that Pete should be eligible for the Hall of Fame," said Giles, now chairman of the Phillies. "Bud was close to making him eligible right after his meeting with Pete (November 2002). Right after that, Pete got into tax trouble (in California), and that delayed the process." - Phillies Chairman Bill Giles in the Dayton Daily News, January 25th, 2004.

07-29-2002, 04:53 PM	#5
Fuzzy Bear NetShrine's Evangelist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Living by faith, and not by sight! Posts: 2,194	Really, why would any of these guys strike? Why wouldn't they play without a contract? And why would the owners sponsor a lockout? Is the strike insurance THAT lucrative? I've gotta believe that there is at least ONE team where a majority of the players have come to realize that the fans patience and wallets have limits. Not to mention the taxpayers. Does it register on the players that when you push a sport to the point where there is a discussion of contraction, this gives the appearance of ABA/WHAish instability that won't bring a municipality to spend loads to upgrade a stadium, or build another one? I've got to believe that this registers on a majority of the players of at least one team! A strike is in NO ONE's best interest. If that's the case, should the players be like lemmings, or like men? Should the owners be like spoiled children, or like men? I believe that a strike at this time will economically decimate not only major league baseball, but a number of municipalities who have gone into hock to build new ballparks. The ripple effects of a strike (and contraction, which, I believe, WILL occur after a strike, but can be avoided without one) will be tremendous, especially given that this is not the propsperous 1990s, but the era we now live in. Again, I call on President Bush and the Congress to intervene in this situation, BEFORE the cataclysm. We need leadership, and it's not coming from Bud.

07-29-2002, 04:58 PM	#6
soxfan121 Renounced Membership 7/9/03 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Live Free Or Die, USA Posts: 1,335	Cincy makes sense. But so does Montreal. And Anaheim. And the Twins. And maybe even Milwaukee.

07-31-2002, 10:46 AM	#8
Allard NetShrine MVP Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 157	Two more teams vote against strike Keith Olberman has posted another story on Salon, this time saying that two more teams have voted not to strike, in addition to the one that has already voted not to. Two questions. One: Why is Keith Olberman breaking these stories? Two: If this is true, have the players lost some of their leverage? http://www.salon.com/news/sports/col...ike/index.html __________________ "Sometimes a double is just as good as a home run." -- Tony Muser

07-31-2002, 10:52 AM	#9
rcartman28 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hudson, WI Posts: 1,408	Is this story as credible as mlb.com "quoting" Jeff Kent about conceding contraction ??? __________________ I would have looked out for the water main. But that's just me..... Brett Favre

07-31-2002, 10:54 AM	#10
tortured angel Guest Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: middle east Posts: 573	The obvious question is what does this mean in any real sense? Are team votes counted? Is this like the electoral college or does each union member get an individual vote? If it is team votes who breaks a 15 all tie?

07-31-2002, 11:19 AM	#11
Allard NetShrine MVP Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 157	Or, does this mean we could see more players crossing the picket line if there is a strike? Players can still recite the names of the players that crossed the line 8 years ago. Could get nasty. __________________ "Sometimes a double is just as good as a home run." -- Tony Muser

07-31-2002, 11:25 AM	#12
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Within the teams, majority rules. If the vote is not overwhelming, however, I can't see the players going out on strike. Fehr knows he needs stronger support than that for a strike.

07-31-2002, 11:36 AM	#13
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	Until Olberman names teams and it is confirmed this story should just be ignored. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

07-31-2002, 11:40 AM	#14
tortured angel Guest Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: middle east Posts: 573	Excellent call BOOMER.

07-31-2002, 01:36 PM	#15
WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	I heard on the radio and read in the newspapers that the Tigers had voted to strike and it was unanimous. So I am sure that other votes got out to the media. I am sure one of the teams probably isn't the Brewers.

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