Barry Larkin and the Hall of Fame

JamesI · 07-27-2002, 11:29 PM

The debates about Ozzie Smith, Luis Aparicio, Alan Trammell, et al has made me wonder about the next potential hall of fame active shortstop.

Question 1 Will Barry Larkin make the hall?
Question 2 Does he deserve to?

sweaver · 07-28-2002, 12:10 AM

I am on record with this already, but yes to both questions. Barry both has the credentials to be elected to the Hall (.290+ career average, over 180 home runs, over 360 steals, Gold Gloves, an MVP) and will be elected. He was the best SS in the NL for several years.

Max Power · 07-28-2002, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sweaver
I am on record with this already

As were most of us here:
http://www.netshrine.com/vbulletin2/...&threadid=4902

My answers - yes & no

SmedIndy · 07-28-2002, 12:38 AM

Yes and yes...coming from the Crowbar man, that means a lot.

pwdennis · 07-28-2002, 12:41 AM

Yes and Yes

The forum has changed my opinion in this case. I had thought he might have difficulty getting in

LeGrandOrange · 07-28-2002, 01:20 AM

I've long believed that Barry Larkin has been a hall of famer...there was no one even close to Barry's skill as an all-around shortstop in the National League during his time, the next best SS was that hall of fame guy that played in Saint Lou, and we of course know what his forte was.
He easily fills the HOF requirement for prolonged excellence at a position (and is helped by the relative lack of super-shortstops in the NL)...the only question about Larkin is what style of Reds cap will be on his plaque.

VNV Nation · 07-28-2002, 04:57 AM

Larkin should be in, first ballot, no question. He's the greatest NL shortstop since Wagner, and I'm not convinced any of the Big Three other than A-Rod is appreciably better than Larkin.

TGwynn19 · 07-28-2002, 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by SmedIndy
Yes and yes...coming from the Crowbar man, that means a lot.

If you do say so yourself!

I'd answer yes and yes also.

moose · 07-28-2002, 04:30 PM

roundabout, I've Seen All Good People

(yes and yes)

Ytown Tribe fan · 07-29-2002, 11:50 AM

I went No and Yes. I believe Barry will have difficulty getting in unless he has at least two more fine seasons.

He absolutely belongs in the Hall of Fame, but the BBWAA doesn't always recognize it.

Look at Gary Carter!

Hell, I think Tim Raines will have trouble getting in right away.

JamesI · 07-29-2002, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by Ytown Tribe fan

Look at Gary Carter!

Hell, I think Tim Raines will have trouble getting in right away.

I'm still undecided on Larkin, but Carter and Raines should have no trouble. The writers won't see it that way. Hopefully Carter can get in next year.

poorme · 07-29-2002, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by Ytown Tribe fan
He absolutely belongs in the Hall of Fame, but the BBWAA doesn't always recognize it.

Look at Gary Carter!

I agree. although "absolutely" might be a little strong.

KCBOOMER · 07-29-2002, 12:33 PM

I think Larkin will get in and probably deserves to. He is very fortunate that his career is winding down when it did. If he was five years younger he would be lost in the glare of the big three and Tejada.

pathogan · 07-29-2002, 12:40 PM

I remember this one before,it sort of the dave concepcion argument[though Larkin gets hurt ,alot] I dont think larkin should get in with those numbers.Was he really the dominant ss of his time?Forget the Vetereans comitte guys[ reese, scooter, Marion] he doesnt seem to stack up. Kind of dwight evans-like...

WiredTiger · 07-29-2002, 01:04 PM

I would say yes. It would be tough to keep Larkin out. Larkin was better in his prime than Cal Ripken but just couldn't stay healthy enough to be a superstar.

He has the stats but for some reason doesn't seem like a HOF. He wasn't flashy and his last five seasons have been injury plauged. If Larkin is kept out than there will be a lot of other ss/2b that are kept out too.

View Poll Results: Will Barry Larkin get into the Hall
Larkin will get in and deserves to	10	58.82%
Larkin will get in but does not deserve to	2	11.76%
Larkin will not get in but does deserve to	2	11.76%
Larkin will not get in and is not worthy	3	17.65%
Voters: 17. You may not vote on this poll

07-27-2002, 11:29 PM	#1
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	Barry Larkin and the Hall of Fame The debates about Ozzie Smith, Luis Aparicio, Alan Trammell, et al has made me wonder about the next potential hall of fame active shortstop. Question 1 Will Barry Larkin make the hall? Question 2 Does he deserve to?

07-28-2002, 12:41 AM	#5
pwdennis NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 2,503	Yes and Yes The forum has changed my opinion in this case. I had thought he might have difficulty getting in __________________ "I would submit that if the world survives for a million years, perhaps its finest hour may be that in the last half of the 20th century, when the power to blow up the world rested in the hands of a few men in two very unsophisticated and suspicious countries, we didn't do it, and one American, Richard Nixon, moved the cold war away from permanent confrontation toward victory. How could any wrong that he did compare with that?" - John Sears

07-29-2002, 12:33 PM	#13
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	I think Larkin will get in and probably deserves to. He is very fortunate that his career is winding down when it did. If he was five years younger he would be lost in the glare of the big three and Tejada. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

07-29-2002, 12:40 PM	#14
pathogan william Blake's Innkeeper Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 2,828	no and no I remember this one before,it sort of the dave concepcion argument[though Larkin gets hurt ,alot] I dont think larkin should get in with those numbers.Was he really the dominant ss of his time?Forget the Vetereans comitte guys[ reese, scooter, Marion] he doesnt seem to stack up. Kind of dwight evans-like...

07-28-2002, 12:10 AM	#2
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	I am on record with this already, but yes to both questions. Barry both has the credentials to be elected to the Hall (.290+ career average, over 180 home runs, over 360 steals, Gold Gloves, an MVP) and will be elected. He was the best SS in the NL for several years.

07-28-2002, 12:38 AM	#4
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	Yes and yes...coming from the Crowbar man, that means a lot.

07-28-2002, 01:20 AM	#6
LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	I've long believed that Barry Larkin has been a hall of famer...there was no one even close to Barry's skill as an all-around shortstop in the National League during his time, the next best SS was that hall of fame guy that played in Saint Lou, and we of course know what his forte was. He easily fills the HOF requirement for prolonged excellence at a position (and is helped by the relative lack of super-shortstops in the NL)...the only question about Larkin is what style of Reds cap will be on his plaque.

07-28-2002, 04:57 AM	#7
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	Larkin should be in, first ballot, no question. He's the greatest NL shortstop since Wagner, and I'm not convinced any of the Big Three other than A-Rod is appreciably better than Larkin.

07-28-2002, 04:30 PM	#9
moose Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Socs Posts: 3,400	roundabout, I've Seen All Good People (yes and yes)

07-29-2002, 11:50 AM	#10
Ytown Tribe fan Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Scrappers territory Posts: 2,515	I went No and Yes. I believe Barry will have difficulty getting in unless he has at least two more fine seasons. He absolutely belongs in the Hall of Fame, but the BBWAA doesn't always recognize it. Look at Gary Carter! Hell, I think Tim Raines will have trouble getting in right away.

07-29-2002, 01:04 PM	#15
WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	I would say yes. It would be tough to keep Larkin out. Larkin was better in his prime than Cal Ripken but just couldn't stay healthy enough to be a superstar. He has the stats but for some reason doesn't seem like a HOF. He wasn't flashy and his last five seasons have been injury plauged. If Larkin is kept out than there will be a lot of other ss/2b that are kept out too.

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