Has anyone ever managed in a world series and then been fired the following season?

07-11-2002, 08:45 AM

Don't know the answer... trying to find out.

Reason for the question is... what would happen if a manager was fired before the all star game?

would he still manage the all star game?
if so what uniform would he wear??? certainly not of the team that fired him!

even if he was with another team already... that's not the team that went to the world series.
just curious how that would all work out, and if it's ever happened before

eric
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KCBOOMER · 07-11-2002, 09:39 AM

Jim Frey was fired in 1981 after leading the Royals to the World Series in 1980. I can't remember whether it was before or after the ASG.

BTW, it is great to ask questions, but in the Trivia area you must know the answer. This post should be in the History section.

KCBOOMER · 07-11-2002, 09:41 AM

I just checked it was after the ASG so it is a moot point for Frey.

KCBOOMER · 07-11-2002, 09:51 AM

Well it figures that Billy Martin and the Yankees would be involved in this scenario.

In June of 1979 Bob Lemon was fired as Yankee manager after leading the pinstripes to the WS championship in 1978. Lemon was replaced by Billy Martin. Martin also took Lemon's place as the ASG AL manager.

The irony of all this, of course, is that Martin had been fired in August of 1978 and replaced by Lemon.

Max Power · 07-11-2002, 09:53 AM

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VNV Nation · 07-11-2002, 09:56 AM

There's Berra-Keane in 1964. I think Yogi was fired and Keane quit, and was hired by the Yankees.

07-11-2002, 12:01 PM

thanks all!

so i guess KC has the answer to the question... who manages... and since bob lemon did.. then the managerial spot in the all star game follows the team and not the individual manager...

it is pretty ironic that lemon replaced martin who replaced lemon!

thanks k.c.!

KCBOOMER · 07-11-2002, 12:16 PM

After the 1964 season Yogi Berra of the Al Champion Yankees was fired. Johnny Keane resigned as manager of the Cardinals after leading them to the WS titles. The Yanks then hired Keane. All of this occurred prior to the start of the 1965 season.

Somehow someway the ASG managers ended up being Al Lopez of the White Sox and Gene Mauch of the Phillies. So, no the ASG managerial gig is not given to whoever is managing the league champion at the time of the ASG. I think in this odd-ball case the managers of the second place teams were used.

I don't believe there is any rule of succession on this. I think the league presidents or commissioner just comes up with a new decision everytime it happens.

07-11-2002, 12:51 PM

hmmm... now if that's the case... what would bud do in this situation?

probably name himself as manager saying it's for the good of the game.

eric
http://www.digitalballparks.com

TimmyB · 07-11-2002, 01:04 PM

Darrell Johnson didn't survive 1976 after taking the Sox to the Series in '75. However, he didn't get the ax until after the ASG.

WiredTiger · 07-11-2002, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Digitalparks
hmmm... now if that's the case... what would bud do in this situation?

probably name himself as manager saying it's for the good of the game.

eric
http://www.digitalballparks.com

Bud would declare the game a 0-0 tie because there aren't any managers available.

07-11-2002, 01:30 PM

LOL!!!

excellent!

eric
http://www.digitalballparks.com

07-11-2002, 01:32 PM

hey wired... you're from detroit...

what's up with tiger stadium's status. i have to go photograph the park in 2 weeks and i don't even know who to talk to. i'm just going to try and get in. any ideas what they're gonna do with that place?

SmedIndy · 07-11-2002, 03:12 PM

Please make sure you stay on topic here....talking about AS game managers.

Golden Bear · 07-11-2002, 03:56 PM

The Steinbrenner Yankees were involved in this sort of thing a lot.

Before the 1982 All-Star game, Bob Lemon was fired after leading NY to the WS the previous year. So the AL's manager that game was...Billy Martin, manager of the Oakland A's, the defending AL West division champs.

07-11-2002, 08:45 AM	#1
Digitalparks Posts: n/a	Has anyone ever managed in a world series and then been fired the following season? Don't know the answer... trying to find out. Reason for the question is... what would happen if a manager was fired before the all star game? would he still manage the all star game? if so what uniform would he wear??? certainly not of the team that fired him! even if he was with another team already... that's not the team that went to the world series. just curious how that would all work out, and if it's ever happened before eric http://www.digitalballparks.com

07-11-2002, 09:39 AM	#2
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	Jim Frey was fired in 1981 after leading the Royals to the World Series in 1980. I can't remember whether it was before or after the ASG. BTW, it is great to ask questions, but in the Trivia area you must know the answer. This post should be in the History section. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

07-11-2002, 09:41 AM	#3
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	I just checked it was after the ASG so it is a moot point for Frey. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

07-11-2002, 09:51 AM	#4
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	Well it figures that Billy Martin and the Yankees would be involved in this scenario. In June of 1979 Bob Lemon was fired as Yankee manager after leading the pinstripes to the WS championship in 1978. Lemon was replaced by Billy Martin. Martin also took Lemon's place as the ASG AL manager. The irony of all this, of course, is that Martin had been fired in August of 1978 and replaced by Lemon. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

07-11-2002, 09:53 AM	#5
Max Power NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: May 2002 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 5,548	Moved from Trivia to History - - please, all, only post in Trivia if you know the answer! See the link in my sig, below, about posting correctly - thanks! __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator "They come and they go, Hobbs. They come and they go." That's why there's NetShrine.com

07-11-2002, 09:56 AM	#6
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	There's Berra-Keane in 1964. I think Yogi was fired and Keane quit, and was hired by the Yankees.

07-11-2002, 12:01 PM	#7
Digitalparks Posts: n/a	thanks all! so i guess KC has the answer to the question... who manages... and since bob lemon did.. then the managerial spot in the all star game follows the team and not the individual manager... it is pretty ironic that lemon replaced martin who replaced lemon! thanks k.c.!

07-11-2002, 12:16 PM	#8
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	After the 1964 season Yogi Berra of the Al Champion Yankees was fired. Johnny Keane resigned as manager of the Cardinals after leading them to the WS titles. The Yanks then hired Keane. All of this occurred prior to the start of the 1965 season. Somehow someway the ASG managers ended up being Al Lopez of the White Sox and Gene Mauch of the Phillies. So, no the ASG managerial gig is not given to whoever is managing the league champion at the time of the ASG. I think in this odd-ball case the managers of the second place teams were used. I don't believe there is any rule of succession on this. I think the league presidents or commissioner just comes up with a new decision everytime it happens. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

07-11-2002, 12:51 PM	#9
Digitalparks Posts: n/a	hmmm... now if that's the case... what would bud do in this situation? probably name himself as manager saying it's for the good of the game. eric http://www.digitalballparks.com

07-11-2002, 01:04 PM	#10
TimmyB NetShrine's Magic 8-Ball Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Where the cops speak slow and the air is nice Posts: 2,591	Darrell Johnson didn't survive 1976 after taking the Sox to the Series in '75. However, he didn't get the ax until after the ASG.

07-11-2002, 01:30 PM	#12
Digitalparks Posts: n/a	LOL!!! excellent! eric http://www.digitalballparks.com

07-11-2002, 01:32 PM	#13
Digitalparks Posts: n/a	hey wired... you're from detroit... what's up with tiger stadium's status. i have to go photograph the park in 2 weeks and i don't even know who to talk to. i'm just going to try and get in. any ideas what they're gonna do with that place?

07-11-2002, 03:12 PM	#14
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	Please make sure you stay on topic here....talking about AS game managers.

07-11-2002, 03:56 PM	#15
Golden Bear NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,100	The Steinbrenner Yankees were involved in this sort of thing a lot. Before the 1982 All-Star game, Bob Lemon was fired after leading NY to the WS the previous year. So the AL's manager that game was...Billy Martin, manager of the Oakland A's, the defending AL West division champs.

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