Steinbrenner for Commish!

cubfan33 · 07-09-2002, 09:01 AM

Forget Giuliani, I may have a new NYC hero ... a source gave me some info that George Steinbrenner may be preparing a lawsuit against MLB in order to stop revenue sharing. Several UTK readers have said that the YES announcers have been more and more vocal about baseball NOT losing money. The big threat of the lawsuit to baseball wouldn't be losing, it would be the same thing that saved Minnesota - the threat of having to open their books.

I've been waiting for a dissident owner to step up. Since Steinbrenner is a lightning rod, I was hoping it would be Magowan or Daly or the M's Japanese owner, but I'll take what I can get.

TimmyB · 07-09-2002, 09:10 AM

So, is Bud's "gag order" fine structure $1MM per incident or per topic?

I guess we'll find out.

King George is, for obvious reasons, the last guy who would want revenue sharing. It would be sooooooooo interesting to get the "counter-point" to Selig's doom-and-gloom stories.

It will be easy for Selig to dismiss just about anything Steinbrenner says as the "haves" trying to protect the status-quo. But, as we have often speculated on NDF, the owners can't all be walking lock-step if the commissioner needs to threaten them with a fine if they talk out of school (and, one would assume, not follow the company line.).

With reservation, I say, "Go get 'em George."

KCBOOMER · 07-09-2002, 09:11 AM

Since all Yankee fans believe that the Yankees are baseball they are "correct" in believing baseball is not losing money.

rcartman28 · 07-09-2002, 09:13 AM

Very interesting......that would be great fun to watch.

Craig S. · 07-09-2002, 09:18 AM

Steinbrenner vs. Selig - If this were a duel, I'd hope that they eliminated each other, freeing us from both of them.

Don't get me wrong. Steinbrenner is a great owner if you're a Yankees fan, but for the rest of us, we'd like to see a return to their previous ownership and to some lean years in New York.

moose · 07-09-2002, 09:46 AM

selig said on pardon the interruption yesterday that it wasn't a "gag order." rather, he had become "tired" of owners "firing shots across the bow" of the MLBPA, and wanted it to stop.

heh!

moose · 07-09-2002, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KCBOOMER
Since all Yankee fans believe that the Yankees are baseball they are "correct" in believing baseball is not losing money.

the yankees aren't baseball? the royals are losing money?

LeGrandOrange · 07-09-2002, 10:33 AM

Steinbrenner for Commish? Two words: Hell no. The last thing we need is MORE Yankee world titles, because you know the Boss is going to do everything in his power to get them to them...
Commissioner Steinbrenner would make me MISS Selig...

TimmyB · 07-09-2002, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LeGrandOrange
Steinbrenner for Commish? Two words: Hell no. The last thing we need is MORE Yankee world titles, because you know the Boss is going to do everything in his power to get them to them...
Commissioner Steinbrenner would make me MISS Selig...

Right! Let George speak out. Do not let George take over.

TGwynn19 · 07-09-2002, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Craig S.

Don't get me wrong. Steinbrenner is a great owner if you're a Yankees fan, but for the rest of us, we'd like to see a return to their previous ownership and to some lean years in New York.

This non-Yankee fan would not like to see that.

Duque · 07-09-2002, 12:30 PM

The sad thing is, Steinbrenner was the one that moved to extend Selig's contract at the last owner's meeting.

Big Stein should've said something then.

soxfan121 · 07-09-2002, 01:47 PM

I'd love to see Steinbrenner take a contrarian stance; the pressing question then becomes - is anyone standing behind him? He would need a small-market owner to conteract the backlash TimmyB spells out (the "haves" argument). The other "large market" owners are not going to stand with him; Hicks in TEX, Henry in BOS, the Tribune in CHI, FOX in LA, Ninetendo in SEA, whoever owns the NYM, would ALL benefit from a revised financial system. For several years, those teams tried to match the spending of NYY only to fall short and find themselves in the red.

I see Steinbrenner as the lone wolf, trying desperately to maintain his control of the pack, yet knowing that his time has come and the pack is about to do him in...

Unlimited and unchecked spending only benefits one franchise: The Yanquis. A revised financial system with a cap, floor, and revenue sharing benefits 24-26 franchises. The needs of the many outweigh the needs (or the wants) of the one....

Pilgrim · 07-09-2002, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Craig S.
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Don't get me wrong. Steinbrenner is a great owner if you're a Yankees fan, but for the rest of us, we'd like to see a return to their previous ownership and to some lean years in New York.

Ahem:

1982 -- 5th place
1983 -- 3rd place
1984 -- 3rd place
1985 -- 2nd place
1986 -- 2nd place
1987 -- 4th place
1988 -- 5th place
1989 -- 5th place
1990 -- 7th place
1991 -- 5th place
1992 -- 4th place
1993 -- 2nd place

Owner: G. Steinbrenner Number of playoff appearances in these 12 seasons: 0.

It's not Steinbrenner's money that wins the pennants (any more than Peter Angelos' money loses the pennants): it's how the money is spent. Yes, it helps to have more (and, incidentally, play in the largest media market), but the best recipe for building a dynasty is a strong scouting system, player development system and shrewd management.

SmedIndy · 07-09-2002, 02:03 PM

But his baseball people said KEN PHELPS! KEN PHELPS! KEN PHELPS!

07-09-2002, 02:03 PM

From Ohio - all Seinbrenner is guilty of is using his resources to their fullest capacity. It's his job to oversee a franchise that wins as many games as it can, and as a businessman, doing it while not losing money if possible.

Seriously... who can blame him for opposing revenue sharing? It's not his job to usher in a new love of baseball for the 21st century. It's not his job to create a new baseball renaissance. It's his job to make sure the NY's win.

He would be doing a disservice to the NY's fans to do anything BUT oppose revenue sharing.

07-09-2002, 09:01 AM	#1
cubfan33 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,359	Steinbrenner for Commish! Forget Giuliani, I may have a new NYC hero ... a source gave me some info that George Steinbrenner may be preparing a lawsuit against MLB in order to stop revenue sharing. Several UTK readers have said that the YES announcers have been more and more vocal about baseball NOT losing money. The big threat of the lawsuit to baseball wouldn't be losing, it would be the same thing that saved Minnesota - the threat of having to open their books. I've been waiting for a dissident owner to step up. Since Steinbrenner is a lightning rod, I was hoping it would be Magowan or Daly or the M's Japanese owner, but I'll take what I can get. __________________ UTK available only at www.baseballprospectus.com "I was pulling for Pete and agreeing with (commissioner) Bud Selig that Pete should be eligible for the Hall of Fame," said Giles, now chairman of the Phillies. "Bud was close to making him eligible right after his meeting with Pete (November 2002). Right after that, Pete got into tax trouble (in California), and that delayed the process." - Phillies Chairman Bill Giles in the Dayton Daily News, January 25th, 2004.

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KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	Since all Yankee fans believe that the Yankees are baseball they are "correct" in believing baseball is not losing money. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

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rcartman28 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hudson, WI Posts: 1,408	Very interesting......that would be great fun to watch. __________________ I would have looked out for the water main. But that's just me..... Brett Favre

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Duque NetShrine's Desperado Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Southern CA Posts: 2,638	The sad thing is, Steinbrenner was the one that moved to extend Selig's contract at the last owner's meeting. Big Stein should've said something then. __________________ Bad Andy It's such a fine line between stupid and clever.

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TimmyB NetShrine's Magic 8-Ball Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Where the cops speak slow and the air is nice Posts: 2,591	So, is Bud's "gag order" fine structure $1MM per incident or per topic? I guess we'll find out. King George is, for obvious reasons, the last guy who would want revenue sharing. It would be sooooooooo interesting to get the "counter-point" to Selig's doom-and-gloom stories. It will be easy for Selig to dismiss just about anything Steinbrenner says as the "haves" trying to protect the status-quo. But, as we have often speculated on NDF, the owners can't all be walking lock-step if the commissioner needs to threaten them with a fine if they talk out of school (and, one would assume, not follow the company line.). With reservation, I say, "Go get 'em George."

07-09-2002, 09:18 AM	#5
Craig S. Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,330	Steinbrenner vs. Selig - If this were a duel, I'd hope that they eliminated each other, freeing us from both of them. Don't get me wrong. Steinbrenner is a great owner if you're a Yankees fan, but for the rest of us, we'd like to see a return to their previous ownership and to some lean years in New York.

07-09-2002, 09:46 AM	#6
moose Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Socs Posts: 3,400	selig said on pardon the interruption yesterday that it wasn't a "gag order." rather, he had become "tired" of owners "firing shots across the bow" of the MLBPA, and wanted it to stop. heh!

07-09-2002, 10:33 AM	#8
LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	Steinbrenner for Commish? Two words: Hell no. The last thing we need is MORE Yankee world titles, because you know the Boss is going to do everything in his power to get them to them... Commissioner Steinbrenner would make me MISS Selig...

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soxfan121 Renounced Membership 7/9/03 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Live Free Or Die, USA Posts: 1,335	I'd love to see Steinbrenner take a contrarian stance; the pressing question then becomes - is anyone standing behind him? He would need a small-market owner to conteract the backlash TimmyB spells out (the "haves" argument). The other "large market" owners are not going to stand with him; Hicks in TEX, Henry in BOS, the Tribune in CHI, FOX in LA, Ninetendo in SEA, whoever owns the NYM, would ALL benefit from a revised financial system. For several years, those teams tried to match the spending of NYY only to fall short and find themselves in the red. I see Steinbrenner as the lone wolf, trying desperately to maintain his control of the pack, yet knowing that his time has come and the pack is about to do him in... Unlimited and unchecked spending only benefits one franchise: The Yanquis. A revised financial system with a cap, floor, and revenue sharing benefits 24-26 franchises. The needs of the many outweigh the needs (or the wants) of the one....

07-09-2002, 02:03 PM	#14
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	But his baseball people said KEN PHELPS! KEN PHELPS! KEN PHELPS!

07-09-2002, 02:03 PM	#15
CpUltravox Posts: n/a	From Ohio - all Seinbrenner is guilty of is using his resources to their fullest capacity. It's his job to oversee a franchise that wins as many games as it can, and as a businessman, doing it while not losing money if possible. Seriously... who can blame him for opposing revenue sharing? It's not his job to usher in a new love of baseball for the 21st century. It's not his job to create a new baseball renaissance. It's his job to make sure the NY's win. He would be doing a disservice to the NY's fans to do anything BUT oppose revenue sharing.

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