the Devil made them do it

gyb13 · 05-28-2002, 09:05 PM

The Rays have demoted C Toby Hall and OF Jason Tyner.
This means Greg Vaughn shifts to LF, John Flaherty returns to being the primary C, and Aubrey Huff (called up) becomes the DH.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/0528/1387981.html
Do the D'Rays have any direction in the personnel moves they make? What will this change of heart do to the confidence of Hall?

Duque · 05-29-2002, 01:57 AM

Tyner is pretty much useless, and while Hall has been pretty bad, it's not like the D-Rays are involved in any kind of pennant race. John Flaherty and Greg Vaughn are decidedly not part of their future - I don't see why they don't just bring all their young playes up and let them play - regardless of results.

Craig S. · 05-29-2002, 08:55 AM

Demoting Hall makes no sense for a team like Tampa Bay.

First, he's proven over the past couple of years that he can dominate minor league pitching. He's had a rough go of it so far at the major league level, but the only way he's going to get better is to face big league pitching.

Second, it can't hurt to continue playing him through his struggles, because it's not like he's keeping them from contending. They should play Hall thinking of the fact that his learning experience will benefit them over the next several years. Flaherty could be his backup and could serve as a mentor.

No wonder this team continues to flounder. Moves like this are assinine.

KCBOOMER · 05-29-2002, 09:11 AM

How do you know this move is asinine? Just because you don't like it? There may well be reasons we don't know about but could easily speculate on. It may well be that Hall has totally lost his confidence and needs to go back to the minors to restore it. Maybe he has decided he's a big leaguer forever and doesn't have to work. Maybe he has given up and is just going through the emotions.

I agree with the basic premise that you are better off playing your veteran's than has-been veterans.

poorme · 05-29-2002, 09:19 AM

Maybe they're trying to showcase Vaughn. What a disaster that team is. Although they have as good a chance to win the World Series as 25 other teams, so what's the difference?

Craig S. · 05-29-2002, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KCBOOMER
How do you know this move is asinine? Just because you don't like it?

OK, on the surface it looks like a bad move. You could be right in that they're trying to help him regain his confidence. If that's the case, then I'd expect him back soon. If they end up keeping him down there too long, I'll revert to my original opinion (which is, of course, all this is).

SmedIndy · 05-29-2002, 11:03 AM

I think it's to get Hall back on track, and perhaps showcase Flaherty as well.

gyb13 · 05-29-2002, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by poorme
Maybe they're trying to showcase Vaughn. What a disaster that team is. Although they have as good a chance to win the World Series as 25 other teams, so what's the difference?

It wouldn't be to showcase him, because he has been playing. He's just shifting from DH to LF.

poorme · 05-29-2002, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gyb13

It wouldn't be to showcase him, because he has been playing. He's just shifting from DH to LF.

What if an NL team is interested, but wants to know if he can still play the field?

WiredTiger · 05-29-2002, 12:41 PM

I believe that TB is giving out Tyner bobbleheads on Sunday. I wonder how embarassing that is to give out a bobblehead of a guy that just got demoted.

05-28-2002, 09:05 PM	#1
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	the Devil made them do it The Rays have demoted C Toby Hall and OF Jason Tyner. This means Greg Vaughn shifts to LF, John Flaherty returns to being the primary C, and Aubrey Huff (called up) becomes the DH. http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/0528/1387981.html Do the D'Rays have any direction in the personnel moves they make? What will this change of heart do to the confidence of Hall? __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin Last edited by gyb13 : 05-28-2002 at 10:36 PM.

05-29-2002, 01:57 AM	#2
Duque NetShrine's Desperado Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Southern CA Posts: 2,638	Tyner is pretty much useless, and while Hall has been pretty bad, it's not like the D-Rays are involved in any kind of pennant race. John Flaherty and Greg Vaughn are decidedly not part of their future - I don't see why they don't just bring all their young playes up and let them play - regardless of results. __________________ Bad Andy It's such a fine line between stupid and clever.

05-29-2002, 09:11 AM	#4
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	How do you know this move is asinine? Just because you don't like it? There may well be reasons we don't know about but could easily speculate on. It may well be that Hall has totally lost his confidence and needs to go back to the minors to restore it. Maybe he has decided he's a big leaguer forever and doesn't have to work. Maybe he has given up and is just going through the emotions. I agree with the basic premise that you are better off playing your veteran's than has-been veterans. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

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05-29-2002, 08:55 AM	#3
Craig S. Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,330	Demoting Hall makes no sense for a team like Tampa Bay. First, he's proven over the past couple of years that he can dominate minor league pitching. He's had a rough go of it so far at the major league level, but the only way he's going to get better is to face big league pitching. Second, it can't hurt to continue playing him through his struggles, because it's not like he's keeping them from contending. They should play Hall thinking of the fact that his learning experience will benefit them over the next several years. Flaherty could be his backup and could serve as a mentor. No wonder this team continues to flounder. Moves like this are assinine.

05-29-2002, 09:19 AM	#5
poorme Guest Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: washington dc Posts: 2,625	Maybe they're trying to showcase Vaughn. What a disaster that team is. Although they have as good a chance to win the World Series as 25 other teams, so what's the difference?

05-29-2002, 11:03 AM	#7
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	I think it's to get Hall back on track, and perhaps showcase Flaherty as well.

05-29-2002, 12:41 PM	#10
WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	I believe that TB is giving out Tyner bobbleheads on Sunday. I wonder how embarassing that is to give out a bobblehead of a guy that just got demoted.

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