Worst of the worst

Craig S. · 04-25-2002, 04:50 PM

There are often arguments on here about which player is the best at his position. I'm just wondering if anyone has a player that they consider the worst player currently in the major leagues.

I have my own choice, but I'd like to hear if others have any thoughts.

poorme · 04-25-2002, 04:52 PM

That's too broad of a question. Do you mean worst player that is currently in the starting lineup/rotation?

SmedIndy · 04-25-2002, 04:56 PM

I'd love to say Tony Womack, but it's too broad of a question right now.

Donnie Sadler could be a contender, or Lenny Harris.

gyb13 · 04-25-2002, 04:59 PM

I think we should do this based on regulars as well....Craig, you can tweak this to something you prefer, but I'd suggest:
Position players - Regulars or semi-regulars (defined, say, as having started at least half his team's games)
Starting pitchers - Top four per team
Relief pitchers - Too much change, so maybe leave them out? Maybe just include 'closers'?

poorme · 04-25-2002, 05:02 PM

I'll throw Eric Young out there for the sake of argument.

gyb13 · 04-25-2002, 05:04 PM

actually, i'll just start a poll on this, if you guys will indulge me

similar to best position players of all-time, i'll start polls on worst active players...

Craig S. · 04-25-2002, 05:05 PM

I was thinking of position players and pitchers. To limit it, I'd only include guys who have been at least semi-regulars for at least a couple of years. For position players, I'm thinking at least 100 ABs per season, but I'm not sure how I'd limit pitchers.

Fuzzy Bear · 04-25-2002, 07:02 PM

The worst regulars with multi-year contracts have got to be Tony Womack and Rey Ordonez. J. T. Snow stinks, too.

Gosfgiants · 04-25-2002, 07:08 PM

Jose Offerman

moose · 04-25-2002, 07:31 PM

Jeff Zimmerman - can you believe how far down his production is this year?!!?

cubfan33 · 04-25-2002, 11:00 PM

Whoever has the worst OPS (or RCAA if you're Sinins-ly inclined) over the past couple years and still starts gets my vote. Using the excellent and well worth the money Sabremetric Baseball Encyclopedia and the period of 1999-2001 with a minimum of 500 ABs, I find that it would be Neifi Perez with a -144 RCAA and Jason Tyner with a .608 OPS. Alex Gonzalez is sixth via RCAA and I hope that's the Florida version tho the other is 19th so its not much better!!!

SmedIndy · 04-25-2002, 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by cubfan33
Whoever has the worst OPS (or RCAA if you're Sinins-ly inclined) over the past couple years and still starts gets my vote. Using the excellent and well worth the money Sabremetric Baseball Encyclopedia and the period of 1999-2001 with a minimum of 500 ABs, I find that it would be Neifi Perez with a -144 RCAA and Jason Tyner with a .608 OPS. Alex Gonzalez is sixth via RCAA and I hope that's the Florida version tho the other is 19th so its not much better!!!

I'm glad Lee has turned into an adverb!

Some of those guys have defensive value, so I'm reluctant to say they're the worst player. Though Neifi Perez is compelling....

WiredTiger · 04-26-2002, 10:20 AM

Deivi Cruz

poorme · 04-26-2002, 10:29 AM

You're just jealous he made it out of Detroit.

Seriously, he is bad, bad, bad. I think Cruz could probably be a decent bench guy who could play a few positions (like a luis sojo).

E.Y. is a terrible 2nd baseman. He could never dream of playing another position. No OBP, no SLG, lots of CS's. Plus he took an 0-7 collar the other day. I remain firm. Eric Young is the most useless player starting in the big leagues.

gyb13 · 04-26-2002, 11:23 AM

EY has become terrible over the past year and a half, but I don't think he's the worst around...

04-25-2002, 04:50 PM	#1
Craig S. Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,330	Worst of the worst There are often arguments on here about which player is the best at his position. I'm just wondering if anyone has a player that they consider the worst player currently in the major leagues. I have my own choice, but I'd like to hear if others have any thoughts.

04-25-2002, 04:59 PM	#4
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	I think we should do this based on regulars as well....Craig, you can tweak this to something you prefer, but I'd suggest: Position players - Regulars or semi-regulars (defined, say, as having started at least half his team's games) Starting pitchers - Top four per team Relief pitchers - Too much change, so maybe leave them out? Maybe just include 'closers'? __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

04-25-2002, 05:04 PM	#6
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	actually, i'll just start a poll on this, if you guys will indulge me similar to best position players of all-time, i'll start polls on worst active players... __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

04-25-2002, 11:00 PM	#11
cubfan33 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,359	Seems simple Whoever has the worst OPS (or RCAA if you're Sinins-ly inclined) over the past couple years and still starts gets my vote. Using the excellent and well worth the money Sabremetric Baseball Encyclopedia and the period of 1999-2001 with a minimum of 500 ABs, I find that it would be Neifi Perez with a -144 RCAA and Jason Tyner with a .608 OPS. Alex Gonzalez is sixth via RCAA and I hope that's the Florida version tho the other is 19th so its not much better!!! __________________ UTK available only at www.baseballprospectus.com "I was pulling for Pete and agreeing with (commissioner) Bud Selig that Pete should be eligible for the Hall of Fame," said Giles, now chairman of the Phillies. "Bud was close to making him eligible right after his meeting with Pete (November 2002). Right after that, Pete got into tax trouble (in California), and that delayed the process." - Phillies Chairman Bill Giles in the Dayton Daily News, January 25th, 2004.

04-26-2002, 11:23 AM	#15
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	EY has become terrible over the past year and a half, but I don't think he's the worst around... __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

04-25-2002, 04:52 PM	#2
poorme Guest Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: washington dc Posts: 2,625	That's too broad of a question. Do you mean worst player that is currently in the starting lineup/rotation?

04-25-2002, 04:56 PM	#3
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	I'd love to say Tony Womack, but it's too broad of a question right now. Donnie Sadler could be a contender, or Lenny Harris.

04-25-2002, 05:02 PM	#5
poorme Guest Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: washington dc Posts: 2,625	I'll throw Eric Young out there for the sake of argument.

04-25-2002, 05:05 PM	#7
Craig S. Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,330	I was thinking of position players and pitchers. To limit it, I'd only include guys who have been at least semi-regulars for at least a couple of years. For position players, I'm thinking at least 100 ABs per season, but I'm not sure how I'd limit pitchers.

04-25-2002, 07:02 PM	#8
Fuzzy Bear NetShrine's Evangelist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Living by faith, and not by sight! Posts: 2,194	The worst regulars with multi-year contracts have got to be Tony Womack and Rey Ordonez. J. T. Snow stinks, too.

04-25-2002, 07:08 PM	#9
Gosfgiants NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 1,136	Jose Offerman

04-25-2002, 07:31 PM	#10
moose Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Socs Posts: 3,400	Jeff Zimmerman - can you believe how far down his production is this year?!!?

04-26-2002, 10:20 AM	#13
WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	Deivi Cruz

04-26-2002, 10:29 AM	#14
poorme Guest Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: washington dc Posts: 2,625	You're just jealous he made it out of Detroit. Seriously, he is bad, bad, bad. I think Cruz could probably be a decent bench guy who could play a few positions (like a luis sojo). E.Y. is a terrible 2nd baseman. He could never dream of playing another position. No OBP, no SLG, lots of CS's. Plus he took an 0-7 collar the other day. I remain firm. Eric Young is the most useless player starting in the big leagues.

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