RF arms

gyb13 · 04-20-2002, 12:23 AM

sorry to bring up Ichiro again, but here's an interesting Huckabay article at BP which concludes that Ichiro's arm is average for a RF. (Remember, most RF have great arms to begin with)

Slippery Pedro · 04-20-2002, 07:18 AM

Sorry, but, when Ben Grieve ranks ahead of Ichiro, and you're talking about the ability to gun, there's something wrong.

pathogan · 04-20-2002, 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by Slippery Pedro
Sorry, but, when Ben Grieve ranks ahead of Ichiro, and you're talking about the ability to gun, there's something wrong.

I know I am dense, though how can Grive rank ahead without ,according to this chart any assists/ Am I reading this correctly? Matt Lawton has a better arm then Suzuki?Hmm..

Glyndwr · 04-20-2002, 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by pathogan

I know I am dense, though how can Grive rank ahead without ,according to this chart any assists/ Am I reading this correctly? Matt Lawton has a better arm then Suzuki?Hmm..

The chart seems to be ranked by the percentage of times a runner attempted to gain an extra base on the fielder.
Its not a particularly impressive piece of work, but I agree with the basis premise which is that Ichiro's arm is strong but that there are other RF's out there - Walker, Mondesi, Vlad etc - who are as good or better.

TGwynn19 · 04-20-2002, 09:46 AM

Just another prime example of the futility of trying to quantify defensive performance.

Wow, I just almost sounded smart.

SmedIndy · 04-20-2002, 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by TGwynn19
Just another prime example of the futility of trying to quantify defensive performance.

Wow, I just almost sounded smart.

In trying to account for the times when a fielders rep stops players from advancing, they go too far.

I don't pay much attention to outfield assists, because a lot of time they are governed by running when the situation doesn't warrant it.

TGwynn19 · 04-21-2002, 06:51 AM

Plus I would have a bit more faith in the numbers if the list created passed the 'common sense' test.

gyb13 · 04-21-2002, 11:08 PM

it doesn't say grieve was better than ichiro, or even average. In fact, he's last, as he had zero assists. The important column is the last one, the rate of assists per opportunity.

WiredTiger · 04-22-2002, 08:59 AM

It seems to me that the correlation between those stats and having a strong arm is pretty thin. I don't think Ichiro has a great arm but he has a good arm and he is the best I have ever seen at charging a ball and getting rid of it quickly.

sweaver · 04-22-2002, 11:51 AM

It's not just the strength of the arm. Accuracy counts, and so does the baseball sense to throw to the right base.

04-20-2002, 12:23 AM	#1
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	RF arms sorry to bring up Ichiro again, but here's an interesting Huckabay article at BP which concludes that Ichiro's arm is average for a RF. (Remember, most RF have great arms to begin with) __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

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gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	it doesn't say grieve was better than ichiro, or even average. In fact, he's last, as he had zero assists. The important column is the last one, the rate of assists per opportunity. __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

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04-20-2002, 09:46 AM	#5
TGwynn19 Guest Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 2,087	Just another prime example of the futility of trying to quantify defensive performance. Wow, I just almost sounded smart.

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TGwynn19 Guest Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 2,087	Plus I would have a bit more faith in the numbers if the list created passed the 'common sense' test.

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WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	It seems to me that the correlation between those stats and having a strong arm is pretty thin. I don't think Ichiro has a great arm but he has a good arm and he is the best I have ever seen at charging a ball and getting rid of it quickly.

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sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	It's not just the strength of the arm. Accuracy counts, and so does the baseball sense to throw to the right base.

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