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BuzzBuzzard · 05-14-2001, 06:47 PM

I heard this stat driving home tonight and almost went off the road. Ichiro has swung and missed the ball only 8 times so far this year. 8 times without making contact.

NetShrine · 05-14-2001, 08:42 PM

In general, this doesn't mean much - - Bill James once did this on a player that was a "never Ks, hardly swings and misses" type - - - "yeah, but all he does is ground out to the 2B all day." In the end, it's all about the results. (And, of course, Ichitie is producing - which is impressive.)

ChrisCary · 05-15-2001, 08:42 AM

Like you said, Ichiro isn't "in general".

that is amazing.

NetShrine · 05-18-2001, 10:22 PM

The more I see him, the more his swing reminds me of Dave Martinez.

Tonight, Piniella said he reminds him of Ralph Garr.

I could see that too.

bagger015 · 05-23-2001, 02:48 AM

It's called dicipline. More of the players should take his work ethic to heart.

NetShrine · 05-23-2001, 08:13 AM

Actually, his strike zone discipline may be his downfall? He's little different than Soriano - never walks.

Buck Showalter on ESPN said you can't get him out on a pitch on the outer end of the plate. Look for teams to start jamming him all the time.

mainsr · 05-28-2001, 07:06 PM

I'm sure most of you have seen this - Mike Cameron is hitting .255, but his key figures (OBP and SLG) aren't all that much worse than Ichiro's. That not walking stuff really is a detriment.

NetShrine · 05-28-2001, 08:38 PM

Nice catch Rob! Food for thought.

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05-14-2001, 08:42 PM	#2
NetShrine Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 4,617	In general, this doesn't mean much - - Bill James once did this on a player that was a "never Ks, hardly swings and misses" type - - - "yeah, but all he does is ground out to the 2B all day." In the end, it's all about the results. (And, of course, Ichitie is producing - which is impressive.)

05-15-2001, 08:42 AM	#3
ChrisCary High and tight Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,281	Like you said, Ichiro isn't "in general". that is amazing.

05-18-2001, 10:22 PM	#4
NetShrine Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 4,617	The more I see him, the more his swing reminds me of Dave Martinez. Tonight, Piniella said he reminds him of Ralph Garr. I could see that too.

05-23-2001, 02:48 AM	#5
bagger015 NetShrine Fan Favorite Join Date: May 2001 Location: Central Square, N.Y. Posts: 85	It's called dicipline. More of the players should take his work ethic to heart.

05-23-2001, 08:13 AM	#6
NetShrine Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 4,617	Actually, his strike zone discipline may be his downfall? He's little different than Soriano - never walks. Buck Showalter on ESPN said you can't get him out on a pitch on the outer end of the plate. Look for teams to start jamming him all the time.

05-28-2001, 07:06 PM	#7
mainsr NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Saratoga Springs, NY Posts: 1,557	I'm sure most of you have seen this - Mike Cameron is hitting .255, but his key figures (OBP and SLG) aren't all that much worse than Ichiro's. That not walking stuff really is a detriment.

05-28-2001, 08:38 PM	#8
NetShrine Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 4,617	Nice catch Rob! Food for thought.

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