Who's the Best 2B of All-Time? (NDF Contest - 2B)

Duque · 01-28-2002, 01:17 AM

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This thread is for debate and discussion on the players selected by each team as a 2nd Baseman. It's open not only to the contestants themselves, but also to any other forum members wishing to weigh in. Voting is to take place in a separate thread. We'll rotate once per week, so we'll conclude the discussion and voting for this position on Sunday, 3 February 2002.

Here's the 2nd Basemen selected in the draft:

Mexicani Blue - Ken Boswell
HMRSF - Joe Morgan
b-ball-lunachik - Eddie Collins
redsox617 - Pete Rose
ChrisCary - Rod Carew
Throwback - Rogers Hornsby
Duque - Charlie Gehringer
Yogi#8Fan - Jackie Robinson
GoldenBear - Ryne Sandberg
BuzzBuzzard - Nap Lajoie
pjl7 - Craig Biggio
nyy26wc - Tony Lazzeri
Xanadu Dragon - Roberto Alomar

Xanadu Dragon · 01-28-2002, 07:39 AM

We all know that Roberto Alomar is one of thr greatest fielding 2B of all time.

But, how many know were he ranks with the bat?

Well, the only 2B with a career Offensive Winning Percentage better than Alomar (min 890 PA) are: Lajoie, Collins, and Morgan.

That's it - three.

Therefore, AT THE LEAST, Alomar should be ranked as the number 4 2B of all-time on your ballot. Thanks.

Duque · 01-28-2002, 11:40 AM

There are some who would argue his Gold Glove rep is more from making flashy plays than actually being a great defender. But, either way, he's certainly above average.

Duque · 01-28-2002, 11:53 AM

2nd Basemen with higher career OPS than Charlie Gehringer:

Rogers Hornsby

That's it. Gehringer is actually 76th on the career OPS list at 884. The 1937 AL MVP also ranks among the top 100 all-time in these categories:

Batting Average - .320 (49th all-time)
On-Base Percentage - .404 (47th all-time)
OPS - 884 (76th all-time)
Games - 2,323 (81st all-time)
Runs - 1,774 (17th all-time)
Hits - 2,839 (40th all-time)
Total Bases - 4,257 (47th all-time)
Doubles - 574 (16th all-time)
Triples - 146 (58th all-time)
RBI - 1,427 (49th all-time)
Base on Balls - 1,186 (48th all-time)
Extra Base Hits - 904 (41st all-time)

He was the only player elected to the 1st six consecutive All-Star games, and finished in the top 10 for the MVP voting 8 times. He was an above-average defender, and easily the best all-around 2nd baseman of his era.

Xanadu Dragon · 01-28-2002, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Duque
He was an above-average defender

Not.

Duque · 01-28-2002, 12:18 PM

Bill Mazeroski? No. But better than Hornsby? Yes (although Todd Walker is probably better than Hornsby with the glove

).

From the HOF website:

"An agile second baseman with quick hands, he led the league in both assists and fielding percentage seven times each."

From Baseball-Library.com:

"One of baseball's most surehanded second basemen...He covered second base in a smooth, seemingly effortless style. He had quick hands and rarely lost a ball he got his glove on. Gehringer led all AL second basemen in fielding percentage nine times, led or tied for the lead in assists seven times, and had the most putouts three times. Baseball authority H.G. Salsinger wrote: "He lacks showmanship, but he has polish that no other second baseman, with the exception of the great Napoleon Lajoie, ever had. He has so well-schooled himself in the technique of his position that he makes the most difficult plays look easy."

From Thebaseballpage.com:

"An outstanding fielder, he possessed quick hands and proved graceful and virtually flawless with the glove. He paced AL second basemen in fielding percentage seven times, led or tied for the lead in assists seven times, and prevailed in putouts three years."

Lastly, from NetShrine.com:

"Among the best all-around (fielding, hitting, baserunning) 2Bs in AL history."

And, interestingly enough, he's a cousin of John Smoltz.

Xanadu Dragon · 01-28-2002, 12:50 PM

I'm in trouble - - I have a new role at work, and, already, I'm 100 MPH - - which means I should not try and squeeze in a post here and there too.

I thought you were touting Rogers Hornsby with the glove. That's why I said "not."

Gehringer? He was VERY good. One of my all-time fav players. Incredible all-around skills. Should be 1-2-or-3 all-time at 2B.

Duque · 01-28-2002, 04:58 PM

No problem.

But you made me do all that work for nothing!

Xanadu Dragon · 01-28-2002, 05:04 PM

All you had to do was quote his NetShrine entry

that was enough to make me realize I did something wrong!

BuzzBuzzard · 01-28-2002, 06:55 PM

Ranked #3 all-time. Not among 2nd baseman, but all-time, behind only Ruth and Mays.

.338 career hitter, 3 batting titles, four 200 hit seasons, four 100 RBI seasons. .426 average in '01 was the second highest in the century. Triple crown winner in '01

Plus he had tremendous glove. Led Al in DP and PO five teams each, fielding % 7 times, and chances per game (is there a better measure of range?) 6 times.

Lifetime ranks 6th in 2b, 12 in hits. His .338 ranks 2 to only Hornsby for 2nd Baseman

NAP LAJOIE LEAGUE LEADERSHIP RANKINGS

RUNS
1898 NL 10TH 113
1901 AL 1ST 145
1903 AL 7TH 90
1904 AL 4TH 92
1906 AL 7TH 88
1908 AL T7TH 77
1910 AL 2ND 94

HITS
1897 NL 5TH 197
1898 NL 4TH 197
1901 AL 1ST 232
1903 AL 6TH 167
1904 AL 1ST 208
1906 AL 1ST 214
1908 AL T3RD 168
1909 AL T8TH 152
1910 AL 1ST 227

SINGLES
1901 AL 1ST 156
1904 AL 4TH 139
1906 AL T3RD 157
1908 AL T4TH 128
1909 AL 10TH 111
1910 AL 1ST 165

DOUBLES
1897 NL T2ND 40
1898 NL 1ST 43
1900 NL 2ND 33
1901 AL 1ST 48
1902 AL T7TH 35
1903 AL 2ND 41
1904 AL 1ST 49
1906 AL 1ST 48
1907 AL 3RD 30
1908 AL 4TH 32
1909 AL T2ND 33
1910 AL 1ST 51
1912 AL T5TH 34
1915 AL T9TH 24

TRIPLES
1897 NL 2ND 23
1900 NL T9TH 12
1901 AL T8TH 14
1904 AL T8TH 15

HOMERUNS
1897 NL 3RD 9
1898 NL T8TH 6
1899 NL T10TH 6
1900 NL T6TH 7
1901 AL 1ST 14
1902 AL 9TH 7
1903 AL T5TH 7
1904 AL 10TH 5
1910 AL T6TH 4

HR%
1897 NL 4TH 1.65
1900 NL 4TH 1.55
1901 AL 1ST 2.57
1903 AL 6TH 1.44
1904 AL 9TH .90
1910 AL 10TH .68

RBI
1897 NL 4TH 127
1898 NL 1ST 127
1900 NL 6TH 92
1901 AL 1ST 125
1903 AL 3RD 93
1904 AL 1ST 102
1906 AL 2ND 91
1907 AL T9TH 63
1908 AL T3RD 74
1910 AL 5TH 76
1912 AL T5TH 90

WALKS
1910 AL 9TH 60

STOLEN BASES
1904 AL T6TH 29

AVERAGE
1897 NL 6TH .361
1900 NL 7TH .337
1901 AL 1ST .426
1903 AL 1ST .344
1904 AL 1ST .376
1906 AL 2ND .355
1907 AL 6TH .299
1908 AL 8TH .289
1909 AL 3RD .324
1910 AL 1ST .384
1912 AL 4TH .368
1913 AL 6TH .335

SLG
1897 NL 1ST .569
1898 NL 3RD .461
1900 NL 3RD .510
1901 AL 1ST .643
1903 AL 1ST .518
1904 AL 1ST .546
1906 AL 2ND .465
1907 AL 6TH .393
1908 AL 7TH .375
1909 AL 7TH .431
1910 AL 2ND .514
1912 AL 6TH .462
1913 AL 8TH .404

OBA
1901 AL 1ST .463
1903 AL 2ND .379
1904 AL 1ST .413
1906 AL 2ND .392
1907 AL 10TH .345
1908 AL 9TH .352
1909 AL 4TH .378
1910 AL 2ND .445
1912 AL 5TH .414
1913 AL 7TH .398

OPS
1897 NL 4TH .960
1900 NL 7TH .872
1901 AL 1ST 1.106
1903 AL 1ST .896
1904 AL 1ST .959
1906 AL 2ND .857
1907 AL 6TH .738
1908 AL 7TH .727
1909 AL 5TH .809
1910 AL 2ND .960
1912 AL 6TH .876
1913 AL 7TH .802

RUNS CREATED
1897 NL T5TH 138
1898 NL 9TH 115
1901 AL 1ST 190
1903 AL T1ST 110
1904 AL 1ST 147
1906 AL 3RD 123
1907 AL 7TH 82
1908 AL T4TH 84
1909 AL T6TH 83
1910 AL 2ND 147

RCAA
1897 NL T5TH 55
1899 NL 9TH 42
1900 NL 9TH 32
1901 AL 1ST 122
1902 AL 3RD 51
1903 AL 1ST 55
1904 AL 1ST 92
1905 AL T6TH 20
1906 AL 2ND 58
1907 AL 6TH 30
1908 AL T8TH 21
1909 AL T4TH 33
1910 AL 2ND 86
1912 AL 7TH 36
1913 AL 9TH 22

RCAP
1897 NL 6TH 51
1898 NL 6TH 44
1899 NL T5TH 49
1900 NL 5TH 38
1901 AL 1ST 113
1902 AL 2ND 56
1903 AL 1ST 58
1904 AL 1ST 86
1905 AL 10TH 19
1906 AL 2ND 51
1907 AL 5TH 30
1908 AL T8TH 18
1909 AL 7TH 25
1910 AL 2ND 74
1911 AL T9TH 24
1912 AL 6TH 33
1913 AL T10TH 18

OWP
1897 NL 6TH .723
1900 NL 7TH .680
1901 AL 1ST .872
1903 AL 1ST .785
1904 AL 1ST .861
1906 AL 2ND .768
1907 AL 6TH .701
1909 AL 3RD .722
1910 AL 2ND .839
1912 AL 6TH .716
1913 AL 9TH .653

RUNS CREATED/GAME
1897 NL 9TH 10.16
1900 NL 8TH 8.47
1901 AL 1ST 15.78
1903 AL 1ST 8.64
1904 AL 1ST 10.89
1906 AL 2ND 7.90
1907 AL 6TH 5.76
1908 AL 10TH 4.93
1909 AL 3RD 6.58
1910 AL 2ND 9.93
1912 AL 6TH 8.06
1913 AL 7TH 6.48

TOTAL BASES
1897 NL 1ST 310
1898 NL 2ND 280
1900 NL 10TH 230
1901 AL 1ST 350
1903 AL 4TH 251
1904 AL 1ST 302
1906 AL 2ND 280
1907 AL 7TH 200
1908 AL T4TH 218
1909 AL 7TH 202
1910 AL 1ST 304

EXTRA BASE HITS
1897 NL 1ST 72
1898 NL 2ND 60
1900 NL 3RD 52
1901 AL 1ST 76
1902 AL T9TH 47
1903 AL 4TH 59
1904 AL 1ST 69
1906 AL 2ND 57
1907 AL T4TH 38
1908 AL 5TH 40
1909 AL 7TH 41
1910 AL 1ST 62

ISOLATED POWER
1897 NL 1ST .207
1898 NL 4TH .137
1900 NL 3RD .173
1901 AL 1ST .217
1903 AL 3RD .173
1904 AL 1ST .170
1906 AL 7TH .110
1907 AL 5TH .094
1909 AL 9TH .107
1910 AL 6TH .130

SECONDARY AVERAGE
1901 AL 5TH .311
1903 AL 6TH .266
1904 AL 2ND .271
1910 AL 7TH .276

BPA
1897 NL 10TH .624
1900 NL 7TH .576
1901 AL 1ST .713
1903 AL 1ST .584
1904 AL 1ST .622
1906 AL 4TH .527
1907 AL 6TH .477
1909 AL 8TH .502
1910 AL 2ND .602
1912 AL 8TH .538

01-28-2002, 07:30 PM

Buzz, not doubting your write, but where was Nap ranked #3, and in which category? Offense, defense or overall?

Xanadu Dragon · 01-28-2002, 07:57 PM

Buzz - I'm calling you out. My Carew over Alomar? Very interested in your logic. Willing to share?

BuzzBuzzard · 01-28-2002, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Yogi#8Fan
Buzz, not doubting your write, but where was Nap ranked #3, and in which category? Offense, defense or overall?

Total Baseball's TPR rating which includes every facet of the game.

BuzzBuzzard · 01-28-2002, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Xanadu Dragon
Buzz - I'm calling you out. My Carew over Alomar? Very interested in your logic. Willing to share?

I'd rather quote Michael Corleone. Our true enemy has yet to reveal himself

Duque · 01-28-2002, 09:05 PM

Was it Lazzeri all along?

01-28-2002, 01:17 AM	#1
Duque NetShrine's Desperado Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Southern CA Posts: 2,638	Who's the Best 2B of All-Time? (NDF Contest - 2B) If you need a refresher on the rules, you can find them here: http://www.netshrine.com/vbulletin2...=&threadid=1252 This thread is for debate and discussion on the players selected by each team as a 2nd Baseman. It's open not only to the contestants themselves, but also to any other forum members wishing to weigh in. Voting is to take place in a separate thread. We'll rotate once per week, so we'll conclude the discussion and voting for this position on Sunday, 3 February 2002. Here's the 2nd Basemen selected in the draft: Mexicani Blue - Ken Boswell HMRSF - Joe Morgan b-ball-lunachik - Eddie Collins redsox617 - Pete Rose ChrisCary - Rod Carew Throwback - Rogers Hornsby Duque - Charlie Gehringer Yogi#8Fan - Jackie Robinson GoldenBear - Ryne Sandberg BuzzBuzzard - Nap Lajoie pjl7 - Craig Biggio nyy26wc - Tony Lazzeri Xanadu Dragon - Roberto Alomar __________________ Bad Andy It's such a fine line between stupid and clever.

01-28-2002, 07:39 AM	#2
Xanadu Dragon NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 2,704	We all know that Roberto Alomar is one of thr greatest fielding 2B of all time. But, how many know were he ranks with the bat? Well, the only 2B with a career Offensive Winning Percentage better than Alomar (min 890 PA) are: Lajoie, Collins, and Morgan. That's it - three. Therefore, AT THE LEAST, Alomar should be ranked as the number 4 2B of all-time on your ballot. Thanks. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator PLEASE READ: Community Standards . : ~ : PLEASE SHOP: Our Stuff! : ~ : HOW CAN YOU: Help? : ~ : BE NICE: To Your Fav Baseball Person.

01-28-2002, 11:53 AM	#4
Duque NetShrine's Desperado Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Southern CA Posts: 2,638	2nd Basemen with higher career OPS than Charlie Gehringer: Rogers Hornsby That's it. Gehringer is actually 76th on the career OPS list at 884. The 1937 AL MVP also ranks among the top 100 all-time in these categories: Batting Average - .320 (49th all-time) On-Base Percentage - .404 (47th all-time) OPS - 884 (76th all-time) Games - 2,323 (81st all-time) Runs - 1,774 (17th all-time) Hits - 2,839 (40th all-time) Total Bases - 4,257 (47th all-time) Doubles - 574 (16th all-time) Triples - 146 (58th all-time) RBI - 1,427 (49th all-time) Base on Balls - 1,186 (48th all-time) Extra Base Hits - 904 (41st all-time) He was the only player elected to the 1st six consecutive All-Star games, and finished in the top 10 for the MVP voting 8 times. He was an above-average defender, and easily the best all-around 2nd baseman of his era. __________________ Bad Andy It's such a fine line between stupid and clever.

01-28-2002, 12:18 PM	#6
Duque NetShrine's Desperado Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Southern CA Posts: 2,638	Bill Mazeroski? No. But better than Hornsby? Yes (although Todd Walker is probably better than Hornsby with the glove ). From the HOF website: "An agile second baseman with quick hands, he led the league in both assists and fielding percentage seven times each." From Baseball-Library.com: "One of baseball's most surehanded second basemen...He covered second base in a smooth, seemingly effortless style. He had quick hands and rarely lost a ball he got his glove on. Gehringer led all AL second basemen in fielding percentage nine times, led or tied for the lead in assists seven times, and had the most putouts three times. Baseball authority H.G. Salsinger wrote: "He lacks showmanship, but he has polish that no other second baseman, with the exception of the great Napoleon Lajoie, ever had. He has so well-schooled himself in the technique of his position that he makes the most difficult plays look easy." From Thebaseballpage.com: "An outstanding fielder, he possessed quick hands and proved graceful and virtually flawless with the glove. He paced AL second basemen in fielding percentage seven times, led or tied for the lead in assists seven times, and prevailed in putouts three years." Lastly, from NetShrine.com: "Among the best all-around (fielding, hitting, baserunning) 2Bs in AL history." And, interestingly enough, he's a cousin of John Smoltz. __________________ Bad Andy It's such a fine line between stupid and clever. Last edited by Duque : 01-28-2002 at 12:31 PM.

01-28-2002, 12:50 PM	#7
Xanadu Dragon NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 2,704	I'm in trouble - - I have a new role at work, and, already, I'm 100 MPH - - which means I should not try and squeeze in a post here and there too. I thought you were touting Rogers Hornsby with the glove. That's why I said "not." Gehringer? He was VERY good. One of my all-time fav players. Incredible all-around skills. Should be 1-2-or-3 all-time at 2B. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator PLEASE READ: Community Standards . : ~ : PLEASE SHOP: Our Stuff! : ~ : HOW CAN YOU: Help? : ~ : BE NICE: To Your Fav Baseball Person.

01-28-2002, 11:40 AM	#3
Duque NetShrine's Desperado Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Southern CA Posts: 2,638	There are some who would argue his Gold Glove rep is more from making flashy plays than actually being a great defender. But, either way, he's certainly above average. __________________ Bad Andy It's such a fine line between stupid and clever.

01-28-2002, 04:58 PM	#8
Duque NetShrine's Desperado Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Southern CA Posts: 2,638	No problem. But you made me do all that work for nothing! __________________ Bad Andy It's such a fine line between stupid and clever.

01-28-2002, 05:04 PM	#9
Xanadu Dragon NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 2,704	All you had to do was quote his NetShrine entry that was enough to make me realize I did something wrong! __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator PLEASE READ: Community Standards . : ~ : PLEASE SHOP: Our Stuff! : ~ : HOW CAN YOU: Help? : ~ : BE NICE: To Your Fav Baseball Person.

01-28-2002, 06:55 PM	#10
BuzzBuzzard NetShrine's Conscience Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The bowels of Shea Posts: 3,062	Nap Lajoie Ranked #3 all-time. Not among 2nd baseman, but all-time, behind only Ruth and Mays. .338 career hitter, 3 batting titles, four 200 hit seasons, four 100 RBI seasons. .426 average in '01 was the second highest in the century. Triple crown winner in '01 Plus he had tremendous glove. Led Al in DP and PO five teams each, fielding % 7 times, and chances per game (is there a better measure of range?) 6 times. Lifetime ranks 6th in 2b, 12 in hits. His .338 ranks 2 to only Hornsby for 2nd Baseman NAP LAJOIE LEAGUE LEADERSHIP RANKINGS RUNS 1898 NL 10TH 113 1901 AL 1ST 145 1903 AL 7TH 90 1904 AL 4TH 92 1906 AL 7TH 88 1908 AL T7TH 77 1910 AL 2ND 94 HITS 1897 NL 5TH 197 1898 NL 4TH 197 1901 AL 1ST 232 1903 AL 6TH 167 1904 AL 1ST 208 1906 AL 1ST 214 1908 AL T3RD 168 1909 AL T8TH 152 1910 AL 1ST 227 SINGLES 1901 AL 1ST 156 1904 AL 4TH 139 1906 AL T3RD 157 1908 AL T4TH 128 1909 AL 10TH 111 1910 AL 1ST 165 DOUBLES 1897 NL T2ND 40 1898 NL 1ST 43 1900 NL 2ND 33 1901 AL 1ST 48 1902 AL T7TH 35 1903 AL 2ND 41 1904 AL 1ST 49 1906 AL 1ST 48 1907 AL 3RD 30 1908 AL 4TH 32 1909 AL T2ND 33 1910 AL 1ST 51 1912 AL T5TH 34 1915 AL T9TH 24 TRIPLES 1897 NL 2ND 23 1900 NL T9TH 12 1901 AL T8TH 14 1904 AL T8TH 15 HOMERUNS 1897 NL 3RD 9 1898 NL T8TH 6 1899 NL T10TH 6 1900 NL T6TH 7 1901 AL 1ST 14 1902 AL 9TH 7 1903 AL T5TH 7 1904 AL 10TH 5 1910 AL T6TH 4 HR% 1897 NL 4TH 1.65 1900 NL 4TH 1.55 1901 AL 1ST 2.57 1903 AL 6TH 1.44 1904 AL 9TH .90 1910 AL 10TH .68 RBI 1897 NL 4TH 127 1898 NL 1ST 127 1900 NL 6TH 92 1901 AL 1ST 125 1903 AL 3RD 93 1904 AL 1ST 102 1906 AL 2ND 91 1907 AL T9TH 63 1908 AL T3RD 74 1910 AL 5TH 76 1912 AL T5TH 90 WALKS 1910 AL 9TH 60 STOLEN BASES 1904 AL T6TH 29 AVERAGE 1897 NL 6TH .361 1900 NL 7TH .337 1901 AL 1ST .426 1903 AL 1ST .344 1904 AL 1ST .376 1906 AL 2ND .355 1907 AL 6TH .299 1908 AL 8TH .289 1909 AL 3RD .324 1910 AL 1ST .384 1912 AL 4TH .368 1913 AL 6TH .335 SLG 1897 NL 1ST .569 1898 NL 3RD .461 1900 NL 3RD .510 1901 AL 1ST .643 1903 AL 1ST .518 1904 AL 1ST .546 1906 AL 2ND .465 1907 AL 6TH .393 1908 AL 7TH .375 1909 AL 7TH .431 1910 AL 2ND .514 1912 AL 6TH .462 1913 AL 8TH .404 OBA 1901 AL 1ST .463 1903 AL 2ND .379 1904 AL 1ST .413 1906 AL 2ND .392 1907 AL 10TH .345 1908 AL 9TH .352 1909 AL 4TH .378 1910 AL 2ND .445 1912 AL 5TH .414 1913 AL 7TH .398 OPS 1897 NL 4TH .960 1900 NL 7TH .872 1901 AL 1ST 1.106 1903 AL 1ST .896 1904 AL 1ST .959 1906 AL 2ND .857 1907 AL 6TH .738 1908 AL 7TH .727 1909 AL 5TH .809 1910 AL 2ND .960 1912 AL 6TH .876 1913 AL 7TH .802 RUNS CREATED 1897 NL T5TH 138 1898 NL 9TH 115 1901 AL 1ST 190 1903 AL T1ST 110 1904 AL 1ST 147 1906 AL 3RD 123 1907 AL 7TH 82 1908 AL T4TH 84 1909 AL T6TH 83 1910 AL 2ND 147 RCAA 1897 NL T5TH 55 1899 NL 9TH 42 1900 NL 9TH 32 1901 AL 1ST 122 1902 AL 3RD 51 1903 AL 1ST 55 1904 AL 1ST 92 1905 AL T6TH 20 1906 AL 2ND 58 1907 AL 6TH 30 1908 AL T8TH 21 1909 AL T4TH 33 1910 AL 2ND 86 1912 AL 7TH 36 1913 AL 9TH 22 RCAP 1897 NL 6TH 51 1898 NL 6TH 44 1899 NL T5TH 49 1900 NL 5TH 38 1901 AL 1ST 113 1902 AL 2ND 56 1903 AL 1ST 58 1904 AL 1ST 86 1905 AL 10TH 19 1906 AL 2ND 51 1907 AL 5TH 30 1908 AL T8TH 18 1909 AL 7TH 25 1910 AL 2ND 74 1911 AL T9TH 24 1912 AL 6TH 33 1913 AL T10TH 18 OWP 1897 NL 6TH .723 1900 NL 7TH .680 1901 AL 1ST .872 1903 AL 1ST .785 1904 AL 1ST .861 1906 AL 2ND .768 1907 AL 6TH .701 1909 AL 3RD .722 1910 AL 2ND .839 1912 AL 6TH .716 1913 AL 9TH .653 RUNS CREATED/GAME 1897 NL 9TH 10.16 1900 NL 8TH 8.47 1901 AL 1ST 15.78 1903 AL 1ST 8.64 1904 AL 1ST 10.89 1906 AL 2ND 7.90 1907 AL 6TH 5.76 1908 AL 10TH 4.93 1909 AL 3RD 6.58 1910 AL 2ND 9.93 1912 AL 6TH 8.06 1913 AL 7TH 6.48 TOTAL BASES 1897 NL 1ST 310 1898 NL 2ND 280 1900 NL 10TH 230 1901 AL 1ST 350 1903 AL 4TH 251 1904 AL 1ST 302 1906 AL 2ND 280 1907 AL 7TH 200 1908 AL T4TH 218 1909 AL 7TH 202 1910 AL 1ST 304 EXTRA BASE HITS 1897 NL 1ST 72 1898 NL 2ND 60 1900 NL 3RD 52 1901 AL 1ST 76 1902 AL T9TH 47 1903 AL 4TH 59 1904 AL 1ST 69 1906 AL 2ND 57 1907 AL T4TH 38 1908 AL 5TH 40 1909 AL 7TH 41 1910 AL 1ST 62 ISOLATED POWER 1897 NL 1ST .207 1898 NL 4TH .137 1900 NL 3RD .173 1901 AL 1ST .217 1903 AL 3RD .173 1904 AL 1ST .170 1906 AL 7TH .110 1907 AL 5TH .094 1909 AL 9TH .107 1910 AL 6TH .130 SECONDARY AVERAGE 1901 AL 5TH .311 1903 AL 6TH .266 1904 AL 2ND .271 1910 AL 7TH .276 BPA 1897 NL 10TH .624 1900 NL 7TH .576 1901 AL 1ST .713 1903 AL 1ST .584 1904 AL 1ST .622 1906 AL 4TH .527 1907 AL 6TH .477 1909 AL 8TH .502 1910 AL 2ND .602 1912 AL 8TH .538 __________________ Buzzard You Gotta Believe

01-28-2002, 07:30 PM	#11
Yogi#8Fan Posts: n/a	Buzz, not doubting your write, but where was Nap ranked #3, and in which category? Offense, defense or overall?

01-28-2002, 07:57 PM	#12
Xanadu Dragon NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 2,704	Buzz - I'm calling you out. My Carew over Alomar? Very interested in your logic. Willing to share? __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator PLEASE READ: Community Standards . : ~ : PLEASE SHOP: Our Stuff! : ~ : HOW CAN YOU: Help? : ~ : BE NICE: To Your Fav Baseball Person.

01-28-2002, 09:05 PM	#15
Duque NetShrine's Desperado Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Southern CA Posts: 2,638	Was it Lazzeri all along? __________________ Bad Andy It's such a fine line between stupid and clever.

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