James Barton "Mickey" Vernon

Crash Course · 09-26-2006, 01:31 PM

He played in the major leagues from 1939 to 1960.

KCBOOMER · 09-26-2006, 04:17 PM

Mickey Vernon had a 20 year career and lost two years (age 26-27) to WWII. His career sabre stats are pretty good (RCAA - 212, WARP3 - 116, and OPS+ - 117). He hit for the cycle once, led the league in hitting twice, led the league in doubles 3 times, was on 7 all-star teams, and three times was in the Top 10 in the AL MVP voting. He was the first manager of the expansion Washington Senators. For some reason I don't wan to vote for this guy, but for the sake of consistency I am going to have to.

nyy26wc · 09-26-2006, 05:10 PM

Inconsistent career
Had 2 years with 50+ RCAA, but until he turned 36, no other years above 20.
Overall, his total of 214 RCAA is good enough to get my vote.

llewdor · 09-27-2006, 04:42 PM

Borderline.

I'm giving him a yes (a borderline for me is typically always a no) because of the war.

YankeeLinks · 10-03-2006, 12:31 AM

One of the first to play in 4 different decades

mainsr · 10-03-2006, 08:08 AM

Real tough call. His park-adjusted stats a little better than his raw stats, but still, they're not all that great. Lifetime park-adjusted OPS only 16% above normal. I'd cut him some slack because he played into his 40s, but his 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th best seasons all came at age 35 or later. 16% above normal is the same as Donn Clendenon--granted, over a shorter career, but not good enough for me.

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09-26-2006, 01:31 PM	#1
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09-26-2006, 04:17 PM	#2
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	Mickey Vernon had a 20 year career and lost two years (age 26-27) to WWII. His career sabre stats are pretty good (RCAA - 212, WARP3 - 116, and OPS+ - 117). He hit for the cycle once, led the league in hitting twice, led the league in doubles 3 times, was on 7 all-star teams, and three times was in the Top 10 in the AL MVP voting. He was the first manager of the expansion Washington Senators. For some reason I don't wan to vote for this guy, but for the sake of consistency I am going to have to. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

09-26-2006, 05:10 PM	#3
nyy26wc NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 14,584	Inconsistent career Had 2 years with 50+ RCAA, but until he turned 36, no other years above 20. Overall, his total of 214 RCAA is good enough to get my vote. __________________ Lee Creator, Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. It's powerful, yet extremely easy to use. Features extensive sorting and stat display options. The CBE has many features that are not available in online and printed sources. Has 2006 stats and daily update service for 2007.

10-03-2006, 08:08 AM	#6
mainsr NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Saratoga Springs, NY Posts: 1,557	Real tough call. His park-adjusted stats a little better than his raw stats, but still, they're not all that great. Lifetime park-adjusted OPS only 16% above normal. I'd cut him some slack because he played into his 40s, but his 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th best seasons all came at age 35 or later. 16% above normal is the same as Donn Clendenon--granted, over a shorter career, but not good enough for me. __________________ "Let's let bye-byes be bye-byes." --The Greatest Leadoff Hitter of All Time

09-27-2006, 04:42 PM	#4
llewdor NetShrine Rookie Of The Year Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 65	Borderline. I'm giving him a yes (a borderline for me is typically always a no) because of the war.

10-03-2006, 12:31 AM	#5
YankeeLinks NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Home of 27 World Championships Posts: 2,862	One of the first to play in 4 different decades

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