Paul Andrew O'Neill

Crash Course · 09-28-2006, 02:48 PM

He played in the major leagues from 1985 to 2001.

nyy26wc · 09-28-2006, 03:20 PM

Yes

211 RCAA
+0.99 RC/G vs. the league
+.026 OBA vs. the league

KCBOOMER · 09-29-2006, 11:53 AM

I waffle on this guy. To me he is one of those guys who does well if he has a good supporting cast, but does poorly if the cast is weak. He won a fluke season (career year, if you prefer) batting title. A weak thumbs up.

nyy26wc · 09-29-2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KCBOOMER

To me he is one of those guys who does well if he has a good supporting cast, but does poorly if the cast is weak.

The data seems to suggest overwise.

One would expect such a player to have a good correlation between his RCAA and team wins. If the team does well, then he does well and vise versa.

What I got was a correlation of -.11.

So, the worse the team does, the better he does.

Crash Course · 09-29-2006, 12:21 PM

Had 2,105 hits & 1,269 RBI in career.
Starting OF on 5 World Champion clubs.

I voted yes.

mainsr · 09-30-2006, 04:27 PM

One of my least favorite players. Overrated jerk, had a Yankee halo. Lifetime OPS 20% above the league on a park-adjusted basis means that he couldn't carry the jock of guys like Reggie Smith or Bob Watson or Jimmy Wynn who weren't born in the right year or played in the right city. I will not mention pigment--oops, I just did--though O'Neill was "scrappy" and "hard-nosed" and "blue collar" and all those terms you hear applied only to white guys.

O'Neill would've had even better statistics had the Reds not been blockheads, carting out the corpse of Dave Parker and the likes of Tracy Jones and Eddie Milner in the outfield instead of promoting O'Neill from the minors.

I voted no.

RascalJones · 10-03-2006, 02:39 PM

I hope this vote is decisively one-sided. That way my vote would be meaningless. I can't seem to make up my mind on him.

LisaG · 10-03-2006, 08:38 PM

if this guy was not a yankee he wouldn't even be on the ballot.

i don't care if he WAS the starting OF on WS teams unless he hit like brian doyle

no WAY in he in any hall except a yankee hall

crazydiamond · 10-11-2006, 02:57 PM

Just because he had his best years in a Yankee uniform shouldn't disqualify him
I mean, if we get rid of everyone's numbers with the Yankees, we'll have to turn down Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, Dimaggio...

LisaG · 10-11-2006, 10:36 PM

crazy diamond

i got no trouble with yankees in the hall

what i meant is that IF paul oneill had stayed a red for the rest of his career with the exact same stats i disbelieve he would be up for election here and that he is ONLY here because he is a yankee not because of his ballplaying ability

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09-28-2006, 02:48 PM	#1
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	Paul Andrew O'Neill He played in the major leagues from 1985 to 2001. __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

09-28-2006, 03:20 PM	#2
nyy26wc NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 14,584	Yes 211 RCAA +0.99 RC/G vs. the league +.026 OBA vs. the league __________________ Lee Creator, Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. It's powerful, yet extremely easy to use. Features extensive sorting and stat display options. The CBE has many features that are not available in online and printed sources. Has 2006 stats and daily update service for 2007.

09-29-2006, 11:53 AM	#3
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	I waffle on this guy. To me he is one of those guys who does well if he has a good supporting cast, but does poorly if the cast is weak. He won a fluke season (career year, if you prefer) batting title. A weak thumbs up. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

09-29-2006, 12:21 PM	#5
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	Had 2,105 hits & 1,269 RBI in career. Starting OF on 5 World Champion clubs. I voted yes. __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

09-30-2006, 04:27 PM	#6
mainsr NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Saratoga Springs, NY Posts: 1,557	One of my least favorite players. Overrated jerk, had a Yankee halo. Lifetime OPS 20% above the league on a park-adjusted basis means that he couldn't carry the jock of guys like Reggie Smith or Bob Watson or Jimmy Wynn who weren't born in the right year or played in the right city. I will not mention pigment--oops, I just did--though O'Neill was "scrappy" and "hard-nosed" and "blue collar" and all those terms you hear applied only to white guys. O'Neill would've had even better statistics had the Reds not been blockheads, carting out the corpse of Dave Parker and the likes of Tracy Jones and Eddie Milner in the outfield instead of promoting O'Neill from the minors. I voted no. __________________ "Let's let bye-byes be bye-byes." --The Greatest Leadoff Hitter of All Time

10-03-2006, 02:39 PM	#7
RascalJones NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 1,862	I hope this vote is decisively one-sided. That way my vote would be meaningless. I can't seem to make up my mind on him. __________________ "Baseball is dull only to dull minds." -- Red Barber, announcer "The biggest thrill a ballplayer can have is when your son takes after you. That happened when my Bobby was in his championship Little League game. He really showed me something. Struck out three times. Made an error that lost the game. Parents were throwing things at our car and swearing at us as we drove off. Gosh, I was proud." -- Bob Uecker

10-03-2006, 08:38 PM	#8
LisaG All-NetShrine Team Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: texas Posts: 371	if this guy was not a yankee he wouldn't even be on the ballot. i don't care if he WAS the starting OF on WS teams unless he hit like brian doyle no WAY in he in any hall except a yankee hall

10-11-2006, 02:57 PM	#9
crazydiamond Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Walnut Creek, CA Posts: 935	Just because he had his best years in a Yankee uniform shouldn't disqualify him I mean, if we get rid of everyone's numbers with the Yankees, we'll have to turn down Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, Dimaggio...

10-11-2006, 10:36 PM	#10
LisaG All-NetShrine Team Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: texas Posts: 371	crazy diamond i got no trouble with yankees in the hall what i meant is that IF paul oneill had stayed a red for the rest of his career with the exact same stats i disbelieve he would be up for election here and that he is ONLY here because he is a yankee not because of his ballplaying ability

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