Polanco for Urbina

KCBOOMER · 06-09-2005, 09:47 AM

Is there anybody who doesn't think the Tigers absolutely raped the Phillies by unloading Urgueth Urbina and a 32 year-old back-up unfielder for Palcido Polanco? Dombrowski must have photos of Ed Wade in compromising pictures with goats. Male Goats.

RascalJones · 06-09-2005, 10:12 AM

Is unfielder a typo, or intentional comedy? This is the first I've heard of this trade, but I can't believe the Phillies would part with Polanco. With David Bell as their first-choice 3B, you can't be to sure. One thing it does, it frees up PT for Chase Utley, which should mean good things for him....and my fantasy team.

RedSeat · 06-09-2005, 11:11 AM

I think that judgement might be a little harsh. Urbina has been overrated for much of his career, but he is still an above average arm out of the pen, which Philly could use. Factoring in Martinez' salary, it'll cost the Phillies about $500K to upgrade their bullpen, without really losing anything, as Utley is their preferred 2B. I don't think anyone invloved is under contract for 2006.

I'm sure they would have rather dealt Bell, but then we'd be talking about the Tigers getting fleeced.

Crash Course · 06-09-2005, 02:24 PM

FWIW, I too thought they could get more for Polanco.
Was SD in the running?

RedSeat · 06-09-2005, 03:12 PM

I guess you guys think more of Polanco than I do.

The Phillies traded a slightly above average guy playing a position they don't need for a slightly above average guy playing a position they do need. It helps them for this year in a wide open division, without setting them back at all in planning for 2006. I'd feel differently if they were taking on a big contract, but the money's close to a wash.

Crash Course · 06-09-2005, 08:18 PM

Good fielder. Decent bat.
what's not to like?

nyy26wc · 06-10-2005, 10:29 AM

After a poor start to his career, Polanco's had 8 and 0 RCAA seasons the past couple of years and has 4 in 2005.

Urbina's been an above average pitcher in his career, with 15 and 0 RSAA seasons the past couple of years and 1 in 2005.

Not bad players. But, a couple of overrated ones get traded for each other.

The Tigers think they stole Polanco because they look at his batting average. The Phillies think they stole Ubrina because he's a "closer."

At least nobody thinks the Phillies made a steal by getting a former "20 game winner" by acquiring Ramon Martinez.

RedSeat · 06-10-2005, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crash Course

Good fielder. Decent bat.
what's not to like?

I don't like where he fits in on this team. He's a decent player, but Utley makes him expendable. And I don't think it was a secret around the league that the Phillies wished he hadn't accepted arbitration, so you wouldn't see teams offering too much for him.

I don't think it's a steal for either team. Detroit upgrades over Infante and the Phillies add a quality arm in the pen.

captain_napalm · 06-10-2005, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyy26wc

At least nobody thinks the Phillies made a steal by getting a former "20 game winner" by acquiring Ramon Martinez.

Eh? Are you referring to Pedro's older brother? He retired a couple of years ago, didn't he?

nyy26wc · 06-10-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by captain_napalm

Eh? Are you referring to Pedro's older brother? He retired a couple of years ago, didn't he?

You're right on both points.

captain_napalm · 06-10-2005, 04:57 PM

It took a while, but I see what you were saying

06-09-2005, 09:47 AM	#1
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RascalJones NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 1,862	Is unfielder a typo, or intentional comedy? This is the first I've heard of this trade, but I can't believe the Phillies would part with Polanco. With David Bell as their first-choice 3B, you can't be to sure. One thing it does, it frees up PT for Chase Utley, which should mean good things for him....and my fantasy team. __________________ "Baseball is dull only to dull minds." -- Red Barber, announcer "The biggest thrill a ballplayer can have is when your son takes after you. That happened when my Bobby was in his championship Little League game. He really showed me something. Struck out three times. Made an error that lost the game. Parents were throwing things at our car and swearing at us as we drove off. Gosh, I was proud." -- Bob Uecker

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Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	Good fielder. Decent bat. what's not to like? __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

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nyy26wc NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 14,584	After a poor start to his career, Polanco's had 8 and 0 RCAA seasons the past couple of years and has 4 in 2005. Urbina's been an above average pitcher in his career, with 15 and 0 RSAA seasons the past couple of years and 1 in 2005. Not bad players. But, a couple of overrated ones get traded for each other. The Tigers think they stole Polanco because they look at his batting average. The Phillies think they stole Ubrina because he's a "closer." At least nobody thinks the Phillies made a steal by getting a former "20 game winner" by acquiring Ramon Martinez. __________________ Lee Creator, Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. It's powerful, yet extremely easy to use. Features extensive sorting and stat display options. The CBE has many features that are not available in online and printed sources. Has 2006 stats and daily update service for 2007.

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RedSeat Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 10.3 miles SE of Yawkey Way Posts: 607	I think that judgement might be a little harsh. Urbina has been overrated for much of his career, but he is still an above average arm out of the pen, which Philly could use. Factoring in Martinez' salary, it'll cost the Phillies about $500K to upgrade their bullpen, without really losing anything, as Utley is their preferred 2B. I don't think anyone invloved is under contract for 2006. I'm sure they would have rather dealt Bell, but then we'd be talking about the Tigers getting fleeced.

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RedSeat Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 10.3 miles SE of Yawkey Way Posts: 607	I guess you guys think more of Polanco than I do. The Phillies traded a slightly above average guy playing a position they don't need for a slightly above average guy playing a position they do need. It helps them for this year in a wide open division, without setting them back at all in planning for 2006. I'd feel differently if they were taking on a big contract, but the money's close to a wash.

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