NDF Contest - Starting Pitchers

[Duque]

If you need a refresher on the rules, you can find them here:

http://www.netshrine.com/vbulletin2/...&threadid=1252

This thread is for debate and discussion on the players selected by each team as a Starting Pitcher. It's open not only to the contestants themselves, but also to any other forum members wishing to weigh in. Voting is to take place in a separate thread. We'll rotate once per week, so we'll conclude the discussion and voting for this position on Thursday, 1/10/02.

Here's the Starters selected in the draft:

Mexicani Blue - Dwight Gooden
HMRSF - Walter Johnson
b-ball-lunachik - Cy Young
redsox617 - Roger Clemens
ChrisCary - Lefty Grove
Throwback - Pete Alexander
Duque - Christy Mathewson
Yogi#8Fan - Whitey Ford
GoldenBear - Tom Seaver
BuzzBuzzard - Kid Nichols
pjl7 - Satchel Paige
nyy26wc - Greg Maddux
NetShrine/Xanadu Dragon - Fergie Jenkins

[Xanadu Dragon]

Nice job - thanks Andy!
BTW, just call me XD - helps on the fingers.

XD, please move to the linked thread if it should be there, but do we start in the chrono order Duque listed above?

[Duque]

Originally posted by Yogi#8Fan
XD, please move to the linked thread if it should be there, but do we start in the chrono order Duque listed above?

I'd think you want to start out by explaining why everyone else should put your pitcher as #1.

And - it can be in any order. As long as you're talking about the above pitchers, it's okay.

Originally posted by Duque
I'd think you want to start out by explaining why everyone else should put your pitcher as #1.

I realize this. What I'm saying is does Mexicani Blue go first, followed by HM, etc?

[Duque]

Originally posted by Yogi#8Fan
I realize this. What I'm saying is does Mexicani Blue go first, followed by HM, etc?

Nope - it's open discussion.

Originally posted by Duque
Nope - it's open discussion.

Thanks. I was hoping it wouldn't be that way.

[Xanadu Dragon]

OK, this is how Bill James ranked these pitchers:

HMRSF - Walter Johnson
pjl7 - Satchel Paige
ChrisCary - Lefty Grove
Throwback - Pete Alexander
b-ball-lunachik - Cy Young
GoldenBear - Tom Seaver
Duque - Christy Mathewson
BuzzBuzzard - Kid Nichols
redsox617 - Roger Clemens
nyy26wc - Greg Maddux
Yogi#8Fan - Whitey Ford
NetShrine/Xanadu Dragon - Fergie Jenkins
Mexicani Blue - Dwight Gooden

He knows more than me, so, that's probably the way I would vote.

[BuzzBuzzard]

Originally posted by Duque
It's open not only to the contestants themselves, but also to any other forum members wishing to weigh in.

Other forum members to weigh in. Why?

[ChrisCary]

Based on XD's list I gotta get a bump up to at least number two based on the rule that we can only use Major League stats when voting.

As for topping the Big Train I'm banking on winning percentage and postseason performances, just an appeal for all voters to take a look in those areas when you're deciding between Walter Johnson and Lefty Grove

I can't understand why Whitey Ford is below Clemens and Maddux, why Seaver is above Mathewson.

I agree w/ChrisCary that only MLB stats and performance should be counted, even though Satchel didn't come into the MLB until 1948 at age 41 (he was 42 in mid-season). Since we can't choose Negro League-only players, I feel that their highly illustrious Negro League performance shouldn't be used either, even if it would've benefitted them here.

Postseason performance does count to me, but since Maddux hasn't exactly been the greatest postseason pitcher, I wonder why he's ranked so high, especially since Jenkins (who, BTW, never played in the WS) is ranked far lower.

I think my vote will be a lot different from Bill James' so I'll see what happens when the arguments are layed out, but I think several SP's have been ranked a might too high there.

Originally posted by BuzzBuzzard
Other forum members to weigh in. Why?

I think that was already spelled out in what Duque & Steve wrote back in December. I wouldn't mind hearing what Tim, sweaver, Smed, CubFan, LGO and quite a few others have to say about the picks, since they're generally informed and most of all, independent, since they don't have any stakes in this.

[Xanadu Dragon]

Originally posted by BuzzBuzzard
Other forum members to weigh in. Why?

More action, opinions, debate - - etc. But, they can't vote.

[Xanadu Dragon]

Originally posted by Yogi#8Fan
I'll see what happens when the arguments are layed out

I'm not seeing any - so far.

Originally posted by Xanadu Dragon
I'm not seeing any - so far.

I thought the slugfest started on Thu 01/10/02, a week from today, according to Duque's post. Oh well, we'll save it for later.