All-Time Stats and The Hall

PianoMonkey · 03-19-2005, 03:09 PM

Okay, I have a fun and new (to me) set of data to play with.

For starters, for which statistic (for pitchers or for hitters) do you have to go furthest down the list of all-time career leaders to find the first player who has been eligible for election at least once, but is not in the Hall? (Try to guess, if you can.) If you're feeling sporting, guess the player, as well.

For reference, here are the rules of eligibility: The player must have played in parts of at least 10 "championship" seasons, must have been inactive (as a player) for at least 5 calendar years and/or dead for 6 months, and cannot be on the ineligible list.

hopbitters · 03-19-2005, 07:31 PM

Let me just make sure I'm reading this right : You're looking for the stat with the most eligible leaders in a row in the HoF? And the player that breaks the streak?

PianoMonkey · 03-19-2005, 11:52 PM

Yes. In fact, I'll just proclaim a new acronym to hopefully clear-up the question: the Best Who Wasn't Good Enough (...to be in the Hall of Fame), or the BWWGE. Or, for the alliterative, the Finest Who Flopped--the FWF.

Thus, in every stat, there is a FWF, the lowest-ranking player on the all-time list above whom everyone is either in the hall or is ineligible. Put another way, the FWF is the best at his stat among those eligible but not in the hall.

So we're looking for the stat which has the lowest ranking FWF, and that player's name.

KCBOOMER · 03-20-2005, 01:11 AM

Well, Dave Kongman is 21st on eligible for the HoF HR list.

hopbitters · 03-20-2005, 11:05 AM

My guess would be RBI or Runs with no clue who is the FWF. Forced to pick between the two, I will choose the inevitably wrong 50-50 of ... (coin flipping) ... runs.

PianoMonkey · 03-20-2005, 02:48 PM

Nobody's guessed it so far.

PianoMonkey · 03-21-2005, 01:04 AM

I think there is a misunderstanding here. Rereading what Hopbitters asked, there is a slight difference between my original question and what he restated it as. In Hopbitters' rephrasing of the question, we would be looking for the stat which has the most hall of famers above the FWF; while in fact I am asking for the stat in which the most players, either in the hall or ineligible, ahead of the FWF. This doesn't actually affect the correct answer any, but it may alter the way some of you are thinking about the question.

Hint: the stat is one in which there is a legendary benchmark for greatness. The FWF is in 43rd place all-time.

BTW, Jimmy Ryan is the FWF among the all-time Runs leaders, at 30th place. His is one of the longest reigns of any FWF. Also, only three of the 29 above him are currently ineligible--Rose, Bonds, and Ripken--and they're all either going in or staying ineligible. Furthermore, the only active players in the top 100 (Palmiero, Biggio, Bagwell, Sosa, and a few others) are either no where near passing Ryan, or are already locks for the hall. In fact, I would say Ryan's title as a FWF is among the very safest in baseball.

KCBOOMER · 03-21-2005, 09:33 AM

Andre Dawson is 43rd on the hits list and everyone above him is either in the HoF, on the ineligible list (Rose), or not yet eligible for voting.

PianoMonkey · 03-21-2005, 02:37 PM

There we go. Correct, Boom.

03-19-2005, 03:09 PM	#1
PianoMonkey Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: (Former) Home of the Blades Posts: 838	All-Time Stats and The Hall Okay, I have a fun and new (to me) set of data to play with. For starters, for which statistic (for pitchers or for hitters) do you have to go furthest down the list of all-time career leaders to find the first player who has been eligible for election at least once, but is not in the Hall? (Try to guess, if you can.) If you're feeling sporting, guess the player, as well. For reference, here are the rules of eligibility: The player must have played in parts of at least 10 "championship" seasons, must have been inactive (as a player) for at least 5 calendar years and/or dead for 6 months, and cannot be on the ineligible list. __________________ "We can’t win at home, we can’t win on the road, and quite frankly, I don’t know where else to play.”

03-19-2005, 07:31 PM	#2
hopbitters Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: downstate AZ Posts: 656	Let me just make sure I'm reading this right : You're looking for the stat with the most eligible leaders in a row in the HoF? And the player that breaks the streak? __________________ all bleeding eventually stops

03-19-2005, 11:52 PM	#3
PianoMonkey Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: (Former) Home of the Blades Posts: 838	Yes. In fact, I'll just proclaim a new acronym to hopefully clear-up the question: the Best Who Wasn't Good Enough (...to be in the Hall of Fame), or the BWWGE. Or, for the alliterative, the Finest Who Flopped--the FWF. Thus, in every stat, there is a FWF, the lowest-ranking player on the all-time list above whom everyone is either in the hall or is ineligible. Put another way, the FWF is the best at his stat among those eligible but not in the hall. So we're looking for the stat which has the lowest ranking FWF, and that player's name. __________________ "We can’t win at home, we can’t win on the road, and quite frankly, I don’t know where else to play.”

03-20-2005, 01:11 AM	#4
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	Well, Dave Kongman is 21st on eligible for the HoF HR list. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

03-20-2005, 11:05 AM	#5
hopbitters Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: downstate AZ Posts: 656	My guess would be RBI or Runs with no clue who is the FWF. Forced to pick between the two, I will choose the inevitably wrong 50-50 of ... (coin flipping) ... runs. __________________ all bleeding eventually stops

03-20-2005, 02:48 PM	#6
PianoMonkey Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: (Former) Home of the Blades Posts: 838	Nobody's guessed it so far. __________________ "We can’t win at home, we can’t win on the road, and quite frankly, I don’t know where else to play.”

03-21-2005, 01:04 AM	#7
PianoMonkey Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: (Former) Home of the Blades Posts: 838	I think there is a misunderstanding here. Rereading what Hopbitters asked, there is a slight difference between my original question and what he restated it as. In Hopbitters' rephrasing of the question, we would be looking for the stat which has the most hall of famers above the FWF; while in fact I am asking for the stat in which the most players, either in the hall or ineligible, ahead of the FWF. This doesn't actually affect the correct answer any, but it may alter the way some of you are thinking about the question. Hint: the stat is one in which there is a legendary benchmark for greatness. The FWF is in 43rd place all-time. BTW, Jimmy Ryan is the FWF among the all-time Runs leaders, at 30th place. His is one of the longest reigns of any FWF. Also, only three of the 29 above him are currently ineligible--Rose, Bonds, and Ripken--and they're all either going in or staying ineligible. Furthermore, the only active players in the top 100 (Palmiero, Biggio, Bagwell, Sosa, and a few others) are either no where near passing Ryan, or are already locks for the hall. In fact, I would say Ryan's title as a FWF is among the very safest in baseball. __________________ "We can’t win at home, we can’t win on the road, and quite frankly, I don’t know where else to play.” Last edited by PianoMonkey : 03-21-2005 at 01:17 AM.

03-21-2005, 09:33 AM	#8
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	Andre Dawson is 43rd on the hits list and everyone above him is either in the HoF, on the ineligible list (Rose), or not yet eligible for voting. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

03-21-2005, 02:37 PM	#9
PianoMonkey Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: (Former) Home of the Blades Posts: 838	There we go. Correct, Boom. __________________ "We can’t win at home, we can’t win on the road, and quite frankly, I don’t know where else to play.”

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