AL Cy Young Award Winner 2004

Crash Course · 11-09-2004, 02:04 PM

Who will it be? Who should it be? Why?

KCBOOMER · 11-09-2004, 03:29 PM

There simply is no discussion here. It is Johan Santana followed by a distant Schilling. The Cy Young is for the best pitcher. It is not a goofy "most valuable" award type thing.

Crash Course · 11-09-2004, 03:36 PM

Betcha it's close between the two - based on the Clemens selection, I could see Schilling getting a lot of votes.

KCBOOMER · 11-09-2004, 03:47 PM

I think the media upswell for Clemens began during the season. Schilling's started during the post-season. Most of the ESPN talking heads were really talking up Santana.

Crash Course · 11-09-2004, 03:54 PM

Santanna was about 28% better than Schilling this year. He should win.

hopbitters · 11-10-2004, 08:47 AM

Based on the NL CYA, I could see Carlos Santana getting the award. The only pitcher the voters know anything about is full of Milwaukee's Best, and I do not mean Ben Sheets.

RascalJones · 11-10-2004, 10:15 AM

Carlos Santana, now THAT would be a feat.

He's so Smooth.

Crash Course · 11-11-2004, 02:05 PM

It's unam: http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/ne..._mlb&fext=.jsp

The only thing that bothers me with Santanna is that he was terrible for the first 1/3 of the season. Should consistency be a factor with an award like this? Or, is it, 20 years from now, the end numbers is all that anyone will recall?

RedSeat · 11-11-2004, 03:06 PM

Inconsistent performances will generally show themselves as they affect the overall stats. If he was able to put up the best overall numbers in spite of a poor start, more power to him.

That's about as close to a unanimous 1,2,3 as I remember seeing. And I agree with the order as well.

KCBOOMER · 11-11-2004, 03:08 PM

The season is what matters, not some portion of it.

Crash Course · 11-11-2004, 03:11 PM

I would have gone with Brad Radke 3rd, maybe even Mark Buehrle, over Rivera.

RedSeat · 11-11-2004, 03:26 PM

Is there any chance that Rivera's second place vote wasn't George King?

Crash Course · 11-11-2004, 03:53 PM

Dunno.
But, it will probably be leaked soon.

mainsr · 11-11-2004, 08:11 PM

This was one of the easiest votes in years. Almost no chance of the voters screwing it up.

hopbitters · 11-11-2004, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mainsr

This was one of the easiest votes in years. Almost no chance of the voters screwing it up.

Johnson led the NL candidates in ERA, ERA+, RSAA, BR/9, K/9, VORP, WSAA, FIP, starts, IP, NW/L, and perfect games and was second in K/BB and CG to Sheets and they screwed that up. They've always got a puncher's chance.

11-09-2004, 02:04 PM	#1
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	AL Cy Young Award Winner 2004 Who will it be? Who should it be? Why? __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

11-09-2004, 03:29 PM	#2
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	There simply is no discussion here. It is Johan Santana followed by a distant Schilling. The Cy Young is for the best pitcher. It is not a goofy "most valuable" award type thing. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

11-09-2004, 03:36 PM	#3
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	Betcha it's close between the two - based on the Clemens selection, I could see Schilling getting a lot of votes. __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

11-09-2004, 03:47 PM	#4
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	I think the media upswell for Clemens began during the season. Schilling's started during the post-season. Most of the ESPN talking heads were really talking up Santana. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

11-09-2004, 03:54 PM	#5
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	Santanna was about 28% better than Schilling this year. He should win. __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

11-10-2004, 08:47 AM	#6
hopbitters Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: downstate AZ Posts: 656	Based on the NL CYA, I could see Carlos Santana getting the award. The only pitcher the voters know anything about is full of Milwaukee's Best, and I do not mean Ben Sheets. __________________ all bleeding eventually stops

11-10-2004, 10:15 AM	#7
RascalJones NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 1,862	Carlos Santana, now THAT would be a feat. He's so Smooth. __________________ "Baseball is dull only to dull minds." -- Red Barber, announcer "The biggest thrill a ballplayer can have is when your son takes after you. That happened when my Bobby was in his championship Little League game. He really showed me something. Struck out three times. Made an error that lost the game. Parents were throwing things at our car and swearing at us as we drove off. Gosh, I was proud." -- Bob Uecker

11-11-2004, 02:05 PM	#8
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	It's unam: http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/ne..._mlb&fext=.jsp The only thing that bothers me with Santanna is that he was terrible for the first 1/3 of the season. Should consistency be a factor with an award like this? Or, is it, 20 years from now, the end numbers is all that anyone will recall? __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

11-11-2004, 03:06 PM	#9
RedSeat Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 10.3 miles SE of Yawkey Way Posts: 607	Inconsistent performances will generally show themselves as they affect the overall stats. If he was able to put up the best overall numbers in spite of a poor start, more power to him. That's about as close to a unanimous 1,2,3 as I remember seeing. And I agree with the order as well.

11-11-2004, 03:08 PM	#10
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	The season is what matters, not some portion of it. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

11-11-2004, 03:11 PM	#11
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	I would have gone with Brad Radke 3rd, maybe even Mark Buehrle, over Rivera. __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

11-11-2004, 03:26 PM	#12
RedSeat Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 10.3 miles SE of Yawkey Way Posts: 607	Is there any chance that Rivera's second place vote wasn't George King?

11-11-2004, 03:53 PM	#13
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	Dunno. But, it will probably be leaked soon. __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

11-11-2004, 08:11 PM	#14
mainsr NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Saratoga Springs, NY Posts: 1,557	This was one of the easiest votes in years. Almost no chance of the voters screwing it up. __________________ "Let's let bye-byes be bye-byes." --The Greatest Leadoff Hitter of All Time

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