Happy Yanksgiving

Wolf Hopper · 11-24-2003, 07:58 AM

See: http://www.netshrine.com/20031124.html

Discussion welcome and appreciated.

JamesI · 11-24-2003, 09:00 AM

As one of the more outspoken Yankee haters, I must say I respect their history and would never want to see the team eliminated. (Of course if the Yankees didn't exist, half the fun of baseball would be gone in losing the ability to root against them)

Skip · 11-24-2003, 09:43 AM

'fare of the day'.

I'm pretty neutral on the NYY - only get unglued when they are rammed down my throat. I have a great appreciation for what they have meant to baseball in all ways, good and not so good.

Just like many other teams.

rcartman28 · 11-24-2003, 12:45 PM

If true about Elway being stuck playing for the Colts, they also would probably still be known as the "Baltimore Colts" today.

I also try to be neutral about the Yankees and greatly respect their history, but I also think if they hadn't existed, it would have been some other team we would be talking about in this thread and who knows what history DIDN'T happen because of the Yankees.

Wolf Hopper · 11-24-2003, 12:54 PM

If there were no Yankees, the Giants may have been that "one" with the history - and they may have never moved west.

KCBOOMER · 11-24-2003, 01:55 PM

The Yankees have been blessed with a great tradition founded on superlative players and great success. And generally this success has been earned. Had they never occurred baseball would still be the great game it is. The NBA, NHL, and the NFL are doing just fine without them.

Wolf Hopper · 11-24-2003, 02:38 PM

But, the NBA, NHL and NFL have the Celtics, Canadians, and Cowboys, no? Kinda the same thing.

huskerdru · 11-24-2003, 03:01 PM

Nice piece! I, too, am a card-carrying Yankee-hater (hate's probably a strong word...no, no it's not!!), but have immense (if begrudging) respect for the franchise's history. Without the Yanks, as JamesI said, we'd have a harder time finding someone to root against perenially!

Nice point, Steve, about the NHL/NBA/NFL's dynasties. In fact, to be historically accurate we might say that the Yankees are the Candiens of MLB...

Wolf Hopper · 11-24-2003, 03:09 PM

Thanks huskerdru.
And, let's not forget the Globetrotters - - now, that's a franchise on a run!

KCBOOMER · 12-02-2003, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf Hopper

But, the NBA, NHL and NFL have the Celtics, Canadians, and Cowboys, no? Kinda the same thing.

Celtics are now the Lakers and nobody minds. The Canadians are whoever and nobody minds. The Cowboys have been MIA for years and no one missed them.

Same thing with the Yanks. When they were down in 1965-1975 and 1982- 1994 nobody missed them. If the Yanks took another 10 year sabbatical they would not be missed. The game would go on.

Jim Rice · 12-02-2003, 04:11 PM

Here's one scenario in a non-Yankees world, predicated on the assumption that the Highlanders folded do to financial issues back in 1912 when they were the worst team in baseball and moved the franchise back to Baltimore.

The Red Sox would have sold Babe Ruth to the Giants in 1919 because Frazee needed the money whether the Yankees existed or not.
The Giants become the most dominant team in the majors, forcing Brooklyn to move to LA.
With the Orioles (former Highlanders) already in Baltimore, the Browns would have moved west instead of east, becoming the first AL team on the West Coast, proably in San Francisco.
Since the San Francisco Browns would be in the AL, Charlie Finley's A's probably would have moved to Anaheim instead of Oakland, meaning the Angels would have been an NL expansion team in Oakland.
Since the Giants would still be a NL presence in New York, the Mets would have been an AL expansion team in New York.

Alternatively, the Sox would have sold Babe to the Orioles, since he was from Baltimore originally, making them the dominant team for a while, but ultimately the resource-rich Giants, with one fewer NY team to compete with, would have surpassed them and not much else of this scenario would change.

So the dominant team would still be in New York (and Lee and Steve would be fans of them), the Dodgers would still move west, and there would still be two teams in LA, the Bay area and New York, with all other expansion and movement happening as it did. So baseball would look a lot like it does right now.

Crash Course · 09-08-2004, 09:11 AM

I was just on ESPN.com this AM and saw they stole my headline!

11-24-2003, 07:58 AM	#1
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Happy Yanksgiving See: http://www.netshrine.com/20031124.html Discussion welcome and appreciated. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

11-24-2003, 12:45 PM	#4
rcartman28 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hudson, WI Posts: 1,408	If true about Elway being stuck playing for the Colts, they also would probably still be known as the "Baltimore Colts" today. I also try to be neutral about the Yankees and greatly respect their history, but I also think if they hadn't existed, it would have been some other team we would be talking about in this thread and who knows what history DIDN'T happen because of the Yankees. __________________ I would have looked out for the water main. But that's just me..... Brett Favre

11-24-2003, 12:54 PM	#5
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	If there were no Yankees, the Giants may have been that "one" with the history - and they may have never moved west. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

11-24-2003, 01:55 PM	#6
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	The Yankees have been blessed with a great tradition founded on superlative players and great success. And generally this success has been earned. Had they never occurred baseball would still be the great game it is. The NBA, NHL, and the NFL are doing just fine without them. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

11-24-2003, 02:38 PM	#7
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	But, the NBA, NHL and NFL have the Celtics, Canadians, and Cowboys, no? Kinda the same thing. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

11-24-2003, 09:00 AM	#2
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	As one of the more outspoken Yankee haters, I must say I respect their history and would never want to see the team eliminated. (Of course if the Yankees didn't exist, half the fun of baseball would be gone in losing the ability to root against them)

11-24-2003, 09:43 AM	#3
Skip NetShrine Vagabond Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Louisville Posts: 7,866	'fare of the day'. I'm pretty neutral on the NYY - only get unglued when they are rammed down my throat. I have a great appreciation for what they have meant to baseball in all ways, good and not so good. Just like many other teams.

11-24-2003, 03:01 PM	#8
huskerdru Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: May 2003 Location: Motown (or just north of it) Posts: 540	Nice piece! I, too, am a card-carrying Yankee-hater (hate's probably a strong word...no, no it's not!!), but have immense (if begrudging) respect for the franchise's history. Without the Yanks, as JamesI said, we'd have a harder time finding someone to root against perenially! Nice point, Steve, about the NHL/NBA/NFL's dynasties. In fact, to be historically accurate we might say that the Yankees are the Candiens of MLB... __________________ "Computers are stupid; they can only give you answers." - Pablo Picasso

11-24-2003, 03:09 PM	#9
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Thanks huskerdru. And, let's not forget the Globetrotters - - now, that's a franchise on a run! __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

12-02-2003, 04:11 PM	#11
Jim Rice Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 783	Here's one scenario in a non-Yankees world, predicated on the assumption that the Highlanders folded do to financial issues back in 1912 when they were the worst team in baseball and moved the franchise back to Baltimore. The Red Sox would have sold Babe Ruth to the Giants in 1919 because Frazee needed the money whether the Yankees existed or not. The Giants become the most dominant team in the majors, forcing Brooklyn to move to LA. With the Orioles (former Highlanders) already in Baltimore, the Browns would have moved west instead of east, becoming the first AL team on the West Coast, proably in San Francisco. Since the San Francisco Browns would be in the AL, Charlie Finley's A's probably would have moved to Anaheim instead of Oakland, meaning the Angels would have been an NL expansion team in Oakland. Since the Giants would still be a NL presence in New York, the Mets would have been an AL expansion team in New York. Alternatively, the Sox would have sold Babe to the Orioles, since he was from Baltimore originally, making them the dominant team for a while, but ultimately the resource-rich Giants, with one fewer NY team to compete with, would have surpassed them and not much else of this scenario would change. So the dominant team would still be in New York (and Lee and Steve would be fans of them), the Dodgers would still move west, and there would still be two teams in LA, the Bay area and New York, with all other expansion and movement happening as it did. So baseball would look a lot like it does right now.

09-08-2004, 09:11 AM	#12
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	I was just on ESPN.com this AM and saw they stole my headline! Attached Images __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

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