SOTS Questions

Crash Course · 10-06-2004, 08:26 AM

I've been doing the SOTS features for a year now: http://www.netshrine.com/sotsarchive.html

I'm thinking of changing the format on these - away from the current format, and more towards a "blog" type format, still to be found within the NDF. This will enable me to post "thoughts" etc. more frequently and from whatever location that I might be using. Of course, at times, the features may be shorter in this format - but, I think the greater frequency will offset that. Any thoughts on this potential change that you would be willing to share?

Related, most "blogs" allow for a "feedback" option. I'm still on the fence with this wrinkle. Is it just me (?) or do the majority of feedback posts in blogs fall into one of these buckets: [1] You're great, let me kiss your behind. [2] I think you're a moron, and I'm going to tell you because I think I'm smarter and you don't know me anyway. [3] I'm not really saying anything here of value, I just want to make a post because I'm bored.

I dunno, am I wrong there? If I'm not, I wonder if allowing for providing feedback in a blog, publically, adds any value.

Of course, I could allow for others to send e-mail feedback and if it makes sense, I can post it for them. Or, better yet, I can set the controls to "moderate" posts made and then they can sit in a queue for review. I'm thinking out loud here as I type this, and just brainstorming ideas.........any thoughts on these?

Related to allowing feedback posts, should it be for registered members of the NDF, some subset of that, or open to the public, meaning you do not have to me a member of the NDF to post? Again, just throwing all the options out here to see what you think.

WiredTiger · 10-06-2004, 08:41 AM

I think a blog would be a very good idea for you. No need for feedback unless you think it will provide good discussion.

agotlieb · 10-06-2004, 08:45 AM

Blogs are overrated. The average person isn't going to contribute a whole lot, unless you like smarmy comments. If you are going to offer a feedback option, you might want to limit it to NetShrine members. Remember what Alexander Hamilton once said: "The masses are asses."

captain_napalm · 10-06-2004, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by agotlieb

Blogs are overrated. The average person isn't going to contribute a whole lot, unless you like smarmy comments. If you are going to offer a feedback option, you might want to limit it to NetShrine members. Remember what Alexander Hamilton once said: "The masses are asses."

I'm not sure about that, assuming that the SOTS blog will be open to forum members only.

At any rate, if you feel more comfortable doing a blog, go for it. If it's worth reading, I'll tune in. If not, I'll tune out

mgoettsche · 10-06-2004, 09:33 AM

I don't have a preference...I've enjoyed the SOTS, so I'll probably enjoy anything you put on the blog. I'd leave the feedback option in there...I think you'll get similar comments to those that you currently receive on the SOTS forum.

TimmyB · 10-06-2004, 10:36 AM

I like the current SOTS format... I could be wrong, but I think in a few years people are going to find blogs so... so... early 21st century.

The feedback on blogs can be controlled, sure... but, the SOTS format with one longer essay/article, allows for a reasonably focused discussion.

Crash Course · 10-06-2004, 10:58 AM

Thanks all - this is all very useful.

More input is welcomed too!

RichG · 10-06-2004, 11:52 AM

How would moving the SOTS to a blog style change things from as they are now? If you set up the blog outside of Netshrine then I can recognize the benefit of getting more eyes on them.

Regarding comments, I think you should think about this carefully. You had to spend a lot of time refereeing commenters in Netshrine's previous incarnation so keep that in mind.

A blog without comments might be easier for you but don't be disappointed if there's not much feedback since comments seem to multiply when there's back and forth, be it good or bad.

You can also use an outside blog as a stepping stone to NDF for the readers, though I don't know if you want to expand things at this time.

Gosfgiants · 10-06-2004, 11:56 AM

I think a blog would be good for the SOTS format. I think you should give the comments section a try. You might actually get some good discourse that way.

Crash Course · 10-06-2004, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichG

How would moving the SOTS to a blog style change things from as they are now? If you set up the blog outside of Netshrine then I can recognize the benefit of getting more eyes on them.

Regarding comments, I think you should think about this carefully. You had to spend a lot of time refereeing commenters in Netshrine's previous incarnation so keep that in mind.

A blog without comments might be easier for you but don't be disappointed if there's not much feedback since comments seem to multiply when there's back and forth, be it good or bad.

You can also use an outside blog as a stepping stone to NDF for the readers, though I don't know if you want to expand things at this time.

I'm trying to stay away from any of the blog "systems" out there - because I cannot access them at all times, like I can the NDF now. Basically, what I was thinking of was a "forum" within the NDF that would be read only - to serve as the NDF SOTS "blog."

Excellent point about allowing comments and the work that can bring......that's why I'm thinking that it may be better to not allow them, or allow them under some control, rather than have it wide open.

llewdor · 10-06-2004, 12:17 PM

Derek Zumsteg's (et al) U.S.S Mariner blog (http://www.ussmariner.com) recently added comments, something he wrestled with for some time. As it turns out, he's been pleasantly surprised with the quality of the comments posted so far.

But the logistics of allowing comments at all is a bit of a barrier. I'd suggest starting without comments; worry about whether you want to allow comments later.

Crash Course · 10-06-2004, 12:24 PM

Thanks llewdor - this is very useful.

Crash Course · 10-06-2004, 02:17 PM

I just set something up - let's try it for a while..........

pwdennis · 10-06-2004, 11:29 PM

I'm okay with a blog but also okay with the status quo

Endymion · 10-07-2004, 11:00 AM

I think a blog would be great. My blog reader has become the first thing I check in the AM, even before email

10-06-2004, 08:26 AM	#1
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	SOTS Questions I've been doing the SOTS features for a year now: http://www.netshrine.com/sotsarchive.html I'm thinking of changing the format on these - away from the current format, and more towards a "blog" type format, still to be found within the NDF. This will enable me to post "thoughts" etc. more frequently and from whatever location that I might be using. Of course, at times, the features may be shorter in this format - but, I think the greater frequency will offset that. Any thoughts on this potential change that you would be willing to share? Related, most "blogs" allow for a "feedback" option. I'm still on the fence with this wrinkle. Is it just me (?) or do the majority of feedback posts in blogs fall into one of these buckets: [1] You're great, let me kiss your behind. [2] I think you're a moron, and I'm going to tell you because I think I'm smarter and you don't know me anyway. [3] I'm not really saying anything here of value, I just want to make a post because I'm bored. I dunno, am I wrong there? If I'm not, I wonder if allowing for providing feedback in a blog, publically, adds any value. Of course, I could allow for others to send e-mail feedback and if it makes sense, I can post it for them. Or, better yet, I can set the controls to "moderate" posts made and then they can sit in a queue for review. I'm thinking out loud here as I type this, and just brainstorming ideas.........any thoughts on these? Related to allowing feedback posts, should it be for registered members of the NDF, some subset of that, or open to the public, meaning you do not have to me a member of the NDF to post? Again, just throwing all the options out here to see what you think. __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

10-06-2004, 08:45 AM	#3
agotlieb Having A NetShrine Cup Of Coffee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 4	on blogs Blogs are overrated. The average person isn't going to contribute a whole lot, unless you like smarmy comments. If you are going to offer a feedback option, you might want to limit it to NetShrine members. Remember what Alexander Hamilton once said: "The masses are asses."

10-06-2004, 10:58 AM	#7
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	Thanks all - this is all very useful. More input is welcomed too! __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

10-06-2004, 11:56 AM	#9
Gosfgiants NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 1,136	I think a blog would be good for the SOTS format. I think you should give the comments section a try. You might actually get some good discourse that way. __________________ It'll always be Pacbell Park Beat LA!!!

10-06-2004, 12:24 PM	#12
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	Thanks llewdor - this is very useful. __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

10-06-2004, 08:41 AM	#2
WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	I think a blog would be a very good idea for you. No need for feedback unless you think it will provide good discussion.

10-06-2004, 09:33 AM	#5
mgoettsche All-NetShrine Team Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 375	I don't have a preference...I've enjoyed the SOTS, so I'll probably enjoy anything you put on the blog. I'd leave the feedback option in there...I think you'll get similar comments to those that you currently receive on the SOTS forum.

10-06-2004, 10:36 AM	#6
TimmyB NetShrine's Magic 8-Ball Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Where the cops speak slow and the air is nice Posts: 2,591	I like the current SOTS format... I could be wrong, but I think in a few years people are going to find blogs so... so... early 21st century. The feedback on blogs can be controlled, sure... but, the SOTS format with one longer essay/article, allows for a reasonably focused discussion.

10-06-2004, 11:52 AM	#8
RichG Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 569	How would moving the SOTS to a blog style change things from as they are now? If you set up the blog outside of Netshrine then I can recognize the benefit of getting more eyes on them. Regarding comments, I think you should think about this carefully. You had to spend a lot of time refereeing commenters in Netshrine's previous incarnation so keep that in mind. A blog without comments might be easier for you but don't be disappointed if there's not much feedback since comments seem to multiply when there's back and forth, be it good or bad. You can also use an outside blog as a stepping stone to NDF for the readers, though I don't know if you want to expand things at this time.

10-06-2004, 12:17 PM	#11
llewdor NetShrine Rookie Of The Year Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 65	Derek Zumsteg's (et al) U.S.S Mariner blog (http://www.ussmariner.com) recently added comments, something he wrestled with for some time. As it turns out, he's been pleasantly surprised with the quality of the comments posted so far. But the logistics of allowing comments at all is a bit of a barrier. I'd suggest starting without comments; worry about whether you want to allow comments later.

10-06-2004, 02:17 PM	#13
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	I just set something up - let's try it for a while.......... __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

10-06-2004, 11:29 PM	#14
pwdennis NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 2,503	I'm okay with a blog but also okay with the status quo __________________ "I would submit that if the world survives for a million years, perhaps its finest hour may be that in the last half of the 20th century, when the power to blow up the world rested in the hands of a few men in two very unsophisticated and suspicious countries, we didn't do it, and one American, Richard Nixon, moved the cold war away from permanent confrontation toward victory. How could any wrong that he did compare with that?" - John Sears

10-07-2004, 11:00 AM	#15
Endymion NetShrine Fan Favorite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 92	Blogs are great I think a blog would be great. My blog reader has become the first thing I check in the AM, even before email

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