Fred McGriff = Early Wynn?

Crash Course · 07-16-2004, 12:36 PM

Crime Dog's 2004 tour smells a lot like Wynn's 1963.
Does it matter?

Makofan · 07-16-2004, 12:54 PM

I don't think this bad ending to McGriff's career will mean anything to his HoF chances. He stands or falls on his career. This makes me think - here are all the firstbasemen in the league in 1987 (his rookie year) that played 1B primarily in their careers (thus no Brett/Schmidt in this group), and at least had a few decent seasons. Is he good enough above his contemporaries? Murray is in, and McGwire and Palmeiro will be. Does he stand that much above Mattingly, Garvey, Hrbek, Clark, et al?

Steve Balboni
Greg Brock
Bill Buckner
Alvin Davis
Cecil Fielder
Kent Hrbek
Wally Joyner
Don Mattingly
Fred McGriff
Mark McGwire
Eddie Murray
Pete O'Brien
Ken Phelps
Pat Tabler
Willie Upshaw
Greg Walker
Mike Aldrete
Sid Bream
Jack Clark
Will Clark
Glenn Davis
Dan Driessen
Leon Durham
Nick Esasky
Andres Galarraga
Steve Garvey
Pedro Guerrero
Von Hayes
Danny Heep
Keith Hernandez
John Kruk
Dave Magadan
Rafael Palmeiro
Gerald Perry
Denny Walling

TimmyB · 07-16-2004, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crash Course

Crime Dog's 2004 tour smells a lot like Wynn's 1963.

Wynn made it to 300 wins. 500 HRs seem very much in question.

Crash Course · 07-16-2004, 02:06 PM

To Mako's point, you could say he's around Will Clark..........

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1986-2003
1B
OWP displayed only--not a sorting criteria
RUNS CREATED/GAME vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
OPS vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
GAMES displayed only--not a sorting criteria

RCAA                           RCAA      OWP     RC/G      OPS       G     
1    Mark McGwire                667     .739     3.61     .234     1856   
2    Jeff Bagwell                663     .714     3.24     .198     1955   
3    Will Clark                  473     .674     2.34     .134     1976   
4    Fred McGriff                470     .649     2.02     .138     2323   
5    Rafael Palmeiro             454     .655     2.16     .140     1997   
6    John Olerud                 382     .650     1.96     .112     1909   
7    Mo Vaughn                   304     .637     2.11     .136     1512   
8    Mark Grace                  273     .593     1.39     .075     2245   
9    Andres Galarraga            199     .566     1.34     .106     2154   
10   Wally Joyner                198     .580     0.90     .056     2033

Makofan · 07-16-2004, 02:15 PM

Well I'm impressed, looking at Steve's stats - I guess it just depends how many 1B from one era is enough in the Hall

nyy26wc · 07-16-2004, 02:16 PM

McGriff is the anti Wynn.

McGriff's got excellent credentials, regardless of whether he ever hits 500 HR.

All Wynn has his favor is the silly "wins" stat. His 105 RSAA are in imminent danger of being dropped from the top 200 list. The only question is whether that happens this week, next week or slightly later. At least 2 of a good sized group of active pitchers are ready to kick him out of the top 200.

mgoettsche · 07-17-2004, 12:58 AM

More and more I see McGriff being right on the border. Lotta first basemen from this era though, especially with Thomas and Bagwell coming around the bend.

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07-16-2004, 12:54 PM	#2
Makofan Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 791	I don't think this bad ending to McGriff's career will mean anything to his HoF chances. He stands or falls on his career. This makes me think - here are all the firstbasemen in the league in 1987 (his rookie year) that played 1B primarily in their careers (thus no Brett/Schmidt in this group), and at least had a few decent seasons. Is he good enough above his contemporaries? Murray is in, and McGwire and Palmeiro will be. Does he stand that much above Mattingly, Garvey, Hrbek, Clark, et al? Steve Balboni Greg Brock Bill Buckner Alvin Davis Cecil Fielder Kent Hrbek Wally Joyner Don Mattingly Fred McGriff Mark McGwire Eddie Murray Pete O'Brien Ken Phelps Pat Tabler Willie Upshaw Greg Walker Mike Aldrete Sid Bream Jack Clark Will Clark Glenn Davis Dan Driessen Leon Durham Nick Esasky Andres Galarraga Steve Garvey Pedro Guerrero Von Hayes Danny Heep Keith Hernandez John Kruk Dave Magadan Rafael Palmeiro Gerald Perry Denny Walling

07-16-2004, 02:15 PM	#5
Makofan Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 791	Well I'm impressed, looking at Steve's stats - I guess it just depends how many 1B from one era is enough in the Hall

07-17-2004, 12:58 AM	#7
mgoettsche All-NetShrine Team Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 375	More and more I see McGriff being right on the border. Lotta first basemen from this era though, especially with Thomas and Bagwell coming around the bend.

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