Correct Pronunciation of "Cicotte"

Throwback · 04-17-2004, 11:24 AM

Referring, of course, to famous "Black Sock" Eddie Cicotte. In the fine movie "Eight Men Out" it is pronounced "See-Cott". In the no less fine, but generally less detail-oriented "Field of Dreams", it is pronounced "Chih-Coh-Tee". In the fine PC game "Old Time Baseball", with announcers Mel Allen and Curt Gowdy, Gowdy pronounces it as in "Eight Men Out" and Allen pronounces it "Cy-Cott-Tee". Does anyone know a place to find a definitive pronunciation that is beyond reproach?

pwdennis · 04-17-2004, 02:06 PM

Dont know how Eddie pronounced it, but a friend of mine with that last name pronounces it as See - coh - tee, whic is the way his Dad, who still lives in Italy, pronounces it

Throwback · 04-17-2004, 06:40 PM

Huh...so maybe EVERYBODY is getting it wrong then. Crazy.

Crash Course · 04-17-2004, 07:26 PM

Some stuff on the name: http://www.geocities.com/dansicotte/heritage.htm

According to this: http://www.loc.gov/nls/other/sayhow.html
it's: SÉ-kot

Which ties in with this: http://www.nitpickers.com/movies/nitpick.cgi?np=52927

Throwback · 04-18-2004, 03:11 AM

sounds like there's a little variation...as in the difference between Se' (don't know how to make accent mark) and See, but I guess Eight Men Out is pretty much the closest. Thanks a lot folks! This has always troubled me.

gyb13 · 04-30-2004, 06:22 PM

in Italian, 'ci' is always pronounced 'chee'. the double T should be pronounced in both syllables.. so it would be something like this: chee-KOHT-teh

sweaver · 04-30-2004, 07:00 PM

Wasn't that the guy on "Star Trek: Voyager"?

SmedIndy · 04-30-2004, 10:53 PM

GYB - You should know that American's rarely pronounce it the proper Euro way.

See - Versailles, IN (Ver-sayles) or Russiaville (ROOOSH-aville), or Dubois County (DEW-BOYS)

gyb13 · 05-01-2004, 10:02 AM

well, the question was the correct way to pronounce it - i think it's pretty clear that there are many ways in which they pronounce it in the states....

it's the same with my last name - though not as problematic as cicotte, i have to get used to the americanization of some of the syllables. it's hard on the ears but i'm not gonna correct every single person when they massacre my name

SmedIndy · 05-01-2004, 06:58 PM

The question is the correct way to pronounce is as Eddie did, not as they did in the old country.

gyb13 · 05-02-2004, 12:41 AM

in that case, you believe ebonics should be a language?

sweaver · 05-02-2004, 06:18 PM

That's a big jump. I do believe that people should be able to have their name pronounced as they wish. Harder with Eddie, since he's dead. I wonder if there's a descendant who could be asked that question.

SmedIndy · 05-02-2004, 06:22 PM

GYB - that's a little out of line. Many have "americanized" their name, based on where they live. I am sure in Brazil, there are different dialects and ways of pronouncing things.

KCBOOMER · 05-02-2004, 07:17 PM

I'll stick with Cy-cot. Yeah, it's wrong but until Eddie corrects me I'm going with it.

gyb13 · 05-03-2004, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmedIndy

GYB - that's a little out of line. Many have "americanized" their name, based on where they live. I am sure in Brazil, there are different dialects and ways of pronouncing things.

why is it out of line? you're saying that if i choose to pronounce my name a certain way, it's correct, independent of whether that's how to say it?!

take it to an extreme - if i write my name gustavo and decide that i'm gonna pronounce it boris, does that make it correct?

04-17-2004, 11:24 AM	#1
Throwback NetShrine Rookie Of The Year Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 71	Correct Pronunciation of "Cicotte" Referring, of course, to famous "Black Sock" Eddie Cicotte. In the fine movie "Eight Men Out" it is pronounced "See-Cott". In the no less fine, but generally less detail-oriented "Field of Dreams", it is pronounced "Chih-Coh-Tee". In the fine PC game "Old Time Baseball", with announcers Mel Allen and Curt Gowdy, Gowdy pronounces it as in "Eight Men Out" and Allen pronounces it "Cy-Cott-Tee". Does anyone know a place to find a definitive pronunciation that is beyond reproach? __________________ I'm back! 400-some posts lighter, but better than ever!

04-17-2004, 02:06 PM	#2
pwdennis NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 2,503	Dont know how Eddie pronounced it, but a friend of mine with that last name pronounces it as See - coh - tee, whic is the way his Dad, who still lives in Italy, pronounces it __________________ "I would submit that if the world survives for a million years, perhaps its finest hour may be that in the last half of the 20th century, when the power to blow up the world rested in the hands of a few men in two very unsophisticated and suspicious countries, we didn't do it, and one American, Richard Nixon, moved the cold war away from permanent confrontation toward victory. How could any wrong that he did compare with that?" - John Sears

04-17-2004, 06:40 PM	#3
Throwback NetShrine Rookie Of The Year Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 71	Huh...so maybe EVERYBODY is getting it wrong then. Crazy. __________________ I'm back! 400-some posts lighter, but better than ever!

04-17-2004, 07:26 PM	#4
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	Some stuff on the name: http://www.geocities.com/dansicotte/heritage.htm According to this: http://www.loc.gov/nls/other/sayhow.html it's: SÉ-kot Which ties in with this: http://www.nitpickers.com/movies/nitpick.cgi?np=52927 __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

04-18-2004, 03:11 AM	#5
Throwback NetShrine Rookie Of The Year Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 71	sounds like there's a little variation...as in the difference between Se' (don't know how to make accent mark) and See, but I guess Eight Men Out is pretty much the closest. Thanks a lot folks! This has always troubled me. __________________ I'm back! 400-some posts lighter, but better than ever!

04-30-2004, 06:22 PM	#6
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	in Italian, 'ci' is always pronounced 'chee'. the double T should be pronounced in both syllables.. so it would be something like this: chee-KOHT-teh __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

04-30-2004, 07:00 PM	#7
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Wasn't that the guy on "Star Trek: Voyager"?

04-30-2004, 10:53 PM	#8
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	GYB - You should know that American's rarely pronounce it the proper Euro way. See - Versailles, IN (Ver-sayles) or Russiaville (ROOOSH-aville), or Dubois County (DEW-BOYS)

05-01-2004, 10:02 AM	#9
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	well, the question was the correct way to pronounce it - i think it's pretty clear that there are many ways in which they pronounce it in the states.... it's the same with my last name - though not as problematic as cicotte, i have to get used to the americanization of some of the syllables. it's hard on the ears but i'm not gonna correct every single person when they massacre my name __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

05-01-2004, 06:58 PM	#10
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	The question is the correct way to pronounce is as Eddie did, not as they did in the old country.

05-02-2004, 12:41 AM	#11
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	in that case, you believe ebonics should be a language? __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

05-02-2004, 06:18 PM	#12
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	That's a big jump. I do believe that people should be able to have their name pronounced as they wish. Harder with Eddie, since he's dead. I wonder if there's a descendant who could be asked that question. Last edited by sweaver : 05-02-2004 at 06:29 PM.

05-02-2004, 06:22 PM	#13
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	GYB - that's a little out of line. Many have "americanized" their name, based on where they live. I am sure in Brazil, there are different dialects and ways of pronouncing things.

05-02-2004, 07:17 PM	#14
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	I'll stick with Cy-cot. Yeah, it's wrong but until Eddie corrects me I'm going with it. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

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