The Cubs won't need Steve Bartman this year.

RascalJones · 03-30-2004, 04:54 PM

SI's giving them the curse from the get-go.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200.../main/?cnn=yes

Crash Course · 03-30-2004, 04:59 PM

And it may have already started with Prior.

KCBOOMER · 03-30-2004, 08:38 PM

They didn't need Bartman last year, either. They had Alex Gonzalez.

cubsin04 · 03-31-2004, 05:54 AM

You can't blame Alex Gonzalez for them not getting to the WS. Sure his error came at a REALLY bad time in Game 6, but he's not the reason they didn't win Game 7, they just got beat, plain & simple.

And there is no such thing as a curse, that's all I ever hear about, like it's a legit reason for the Cubs problems.

RascalJones · 03-31-2004, 09:36 AM

From what the public is led to believe, Steve Bartman is the Evil that prevented the WS last year.

I hope you realize that the Steve Bartman comment was very tongue-in-cheek. I never felt that guy caused any problem. ANYONE else sitting in his seat would have reacted EXACTLY the same way.

KCBOOMER · 03-31-2004, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cubsin04

You can't blame Alex Gonzalez for them not getting to the WS. Sure his error came at a REALLY bad time in Game 6, but he's not the reason they didn't win Game 7, they just got beat, plain & simple..

Uh, if Gonzalez fields a routine ground ball there is no Game Seven.

cubsin04 · 04-01-2004, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCBOOMER

Uh, if Gonzalez fields a routine ground ball there is no Game Seven.

Then I guess you could also say if Bartman didn't touch the foul ball there wouldn't have been a Game 7, or if Prior didn't throw a wild pitch advancing the runner, maybe there wouldn't have been a Game 7. You could also say Baker should have come out to help Prior relax a bit, after the foul ball. If he did maybe there wouldn't have been a Game 7. You win as a team & lose as a team. One person cannot take all of the credit or burden all of the blame.

Crash Course · 04-01-2004, 06:56 AM

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all be eating until Christmas.

Makofan · 04-01-2004, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCBOOMER

Uh, if Gonzalez fields a routine ground ball there is no Game Seven.

The miracle is that the Cubs got to the playoffs with Alex Gonzalez on their team. He was an awful player for the Blue Jays, and he only got worse. I'm not sure if it's his poor fielding, awful base stealing, pathetic batting average or his *OPS+ being 82 that makes me so down on him

Molechaser · 04-01-2004, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makofan

The miracle is that the Cubs got to the playoffs with Alex Gonzalez on their team. He was an awful player for the Blue Jays, and he only got worse. I'm not sure if it's his poor fielding...

Didn't Gonzalez have the highest fielding percentage among NL shortstops (and the second highest in the major leagues, behind only Alex Rodriguez)? I agree with you as far as his offense was concerned, though (except for a few early-season timely home runs).

gyb13 · 04-03-2004, 06:37 PM

well, we can go into the merit (or lack thereof) of fielding percentage as a defensive evaluator, but there are plenty of other threads on that...

03-30-2004, 04:54 PM	#1
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cubsin04 NetShrine Fan Favorite Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: near Chicago Posts: 80	You can't blame Alex Gonzalez for them not getting to the WS. Sure his error came at a REALLY bad time in Game 6, but he's not the reason they didn't win Game 7, they just got beat, plain & simple. And there is no such thing as a curse, that's all I ever hear about, like it's a legit reason for the Cubs problems. __________________ Jason I Bleed Cub Blue

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RascalJones NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 1,862	From what the public is led to believe, Steve Bartman is the Evil that prevented the WS last year. I hope you realize that the Steve Bartman comment was very tongue-in-cheek. I never felt that guy caused any problem. ANYONE else sitting in his seat would have reacted EXACTLY the same way. __________________ "Baseball is dull only to dull minds." -- Red Barber, announcer "The biggest thrill a ballplayer can have is when your son takes after you. That happened when my Bobby was in his championship Little League game. He really showed me something. Struck out three times. Made an error that lost the game. Parents were throwing things at our car and swearing at us as we drove off. Gosh, I was proud." -- Bob Uecker

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Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all be eating until Christmas. __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

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