Barry Bonds About To Get Busted?

[Rajah]

Um, Bonds is like 38. Steroids or not, I wouldn't call a 38 year old getting a bald spot "premature baldness". I would also not be shocked by a black man choosing to shave his head, bald spot or no bald spot. Heck, my uncle is the skinniest guy on earth and he was bald when he was 17.

[SmedIndy]

If anyone, Matt Williams could be guilty by baldness - he was bald, at what, 22 or so? People are starting to nitpick everything to find "proof". You know, Mickey Lolich looked skinnier in 1968 than 1976.

[ronh]

Originally Posted by Gosfgiants

The steroid that Balco distrubited is called THG. Until the grand jury investagation made it public it was not detected by steroid tests used by the NFL or the IOC. They now have a test for THG.

BALCO dealt in a lot more than THG.

Among the items retrieved from the rubbish were empty boxes and vials of two different anabolic steroids, along with human growth hormone, a prescription anti-estrogen drug sometimes used to recover from a steroid binge and dozens of used syringes, some contaminated with steroid residue.

According to the affidavit, an informant approached San Mateo County drug agents in 2002 and told them that Conte had connected with Bulgarian body- builder Emeric Delczeg to obtain performance-enhancing drugs. The informant said Delczeg had traveled to Europe to get steroids and growth hormone, then brought them to BALCO.

Both quotes from
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...NGC950F381.DTL

If you want the full report read the special agent's affidavit. Ther is no doubt that BALCO was dealing with illegal drugs.
http://sfgate.com/chronicle/acrobat/...13/affidvt.pdf

Originally Posted by ronh

BALCO dealt in a lot more than THG.



Both quotes from
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...NGC950F381.DTL

If you want the full report read the special agent's affidavit. Ther is no doubt that BALCO was dealing with illegal drugs.
http://sfgate.com/chronicle/acrobat/...13/affidvt.pdf

Hey, I'm against jumping on the conclusion bandwagon, but I would be my last cent that Balco is dirty as heck as regards pushing all kinds of potions....they're bad news.

[Fatwater Fewl]

Originally Posted by Crash Course

This thread is about Bonds, not Rose.

About the HR% -

HR%                           YEAR     DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE   
1    Barry Bonds              2001    11.80    15.34     3.54   
2    Babe Ruth                1920    10.85    11.79     0.95   
3    Mark McGwire             1998    10.71    13.75     3.05   
4    Babe Ruth                1927    10.04    11.11     1.07   
5    Babe Ruth                1921     9.74    10.93     1.18   
6    Mark McGwire             1999     9.06    12.48     3.42   
7    Babe Ruth                1928     8.87    10.07     1.21   
8    Mark McGwire             1996     8.82    12.29     3.47   
9    Babe Ruth                1926     8.41     9.49     1.08   
10   Barry Bonds              2003     8.32    11.54     3.21  

Bonds was 11.8 above league average in 2001. That's the all-time record. Prior to the 2001 season, lifetime, he was about 3.91 above league average. That is how I would define radical.

I think just looking at the HR% might be a little misleading, Steve.

At any rate, here's an interesting look at Bonds season-by-season. Y'all make of it what you will:

Season	TPA	#P/PA	XBH	XBH% 	IsoP	IBB	BB	AVG	OBP	SLG
1986	484	0	45	48.9	0.194	2	65	0.223	0.33	0.416
1987	611	3.56	68	47.2	0.23	3	54	0.261	0.329	0.492
1988	614	3.72	59	38.8	0.208	14	72	0.283	0.368	0.491
1989	679	3.72	59	41	0.178	22	93	0.248	0.351	0.426
1990	621	3.72	68	43.6	0.264	15	93	0.301	0.406	0.565
1991	634	3.75	58	38.9	0.222	25	107	0.292	0.41	0.514
1992	612	3.84	75	51	0.313	32	127	0.311	0.456	0.624
1993	674	3.57	88	48.6	0.341	43	126	0.336	0.458	0.677
1994	474	3.54	56	45.9	0.335	18	74	0.312	0.426	0.647
1995	635	3.86	70	47	0.283	22	120	0.294	0.431	0.577
1996	675	3.79	72	45.3	0.308	30	151	0.308	0.461	0.615
1997	690	3.65	71	45.8	0.293	34	145	0.291	0.446	0.585
1998	697	3.7	88	52.7	0.306	29	130	0.303	0.438	0.609
1999	434	3.87	56	60.2	0.355	9	73	0.262	0.389	0.617
2000	607	3.83	81	55.1	0.381	21	117	0.306	0.44	0.688
2001	664	3.84	107	68.6	0.536	35	177	0.328	0.515	0.863
2002	612	3.54	79	53	0.429	68	198	0.37	0.582	0.799
2003	550	3.97	68	51.1	0.408	61	148	0.341	0.529	0.749

[RichG]

Originally Posted by SmedIndy

If anyone, Matt Williams could be guilty by baldness - he was bald, at what, 22 or so? People are starting to nitpick everything to find "proof". You know, Mickey Lolich looked skinnier in 1968 than 1976.

You got that right! I just stumbled over a 1971 Leaders baseball card and Mickey only had one chin.

[Paul Doran]

I am a huge Bonds fan. Seeing him convicited would break my heart, and probably make me lose faith in all sportstars...

There are some startling coincidences, and I am very concerned; I am worried to be honest.

However, there are, i feel, some points that need to be made.

The talk of steroids improving your eye is ridiculous. For one, when people say a baseball player has a good eye doent mean he can spot a crow from 40 miles; but it means that he has got a great knowledge of the plate, and reads pitches really well - not that he sees everything
He has, apart from his very early years, always had an excellent OBP - this pateince therefore is not new, he never K'ed much his whole career.

If Bonds is guilty, there will need to be a lot more questions aksed in baseball in general... I think questuons about Mark Mcgwie need answering.. and a load more...His puffy face concerns me, his baldness doesnt - he isnt exactly a spring chicken.

With the legacy that came before Barry - his dad and Willy - I just cant imagine him doing steroids.. Surely he wouldnt risk such a fateful blow to a such a history. If he did, he is an absolute disgrace to Baseball and his great history - and this is coming from a huge fan...

If he hasnt got a dubious image already, this is going to bury him forever. What I do worry about however, is whether or not his image will affect his access to justice. People dont like him; they may be more willing to try to convict him.

Innocent or guilty, unfortunately, his image has taken another downward slide. Whatever happens, questions will always be asked for future generations.... Consequently, those 73 home runs will probably never seem as good as Babes, or possible even Mcgwires before him...

[Rajah]

Originally Posted by Paul Doran

With the legacy that came before Barry - his dad and Willy - I just cant imagine him doing steroids.. Surely he wouldnt risk such a fateful blow to a such a history. If he did, he is an absolute disgrace to Baseball and his great history - and this is coming from a huge fan...

Just to play the devils advocate here, couldn't the legacy put additional pressure on him to live up to it?

[Rajah]

Originally Posted by Fatwater Fewl

I think just looking at the HR% might be a little misleading, Steve.

At any rate, here's an interesting look at Bonds season-by-season. Y'all make of it what you will:

His numbers spiked when Pac Bell opened, a park that was designed with the Bonds long ball in mind. He had that freak year. But in the other 3 years, he appears to be materially unchanged, just improved by PacBell.

[hmrsf]

There is only one player I know for a fact used steroids.A few years back, a ball boy was arrested while driving Manny Alexander's car. Inside the glove compartment was steroids.

Manny Alexander does not look like the poster child steroid use. The tell tale signs are not there. Based on his performance, I can't tell what they enhanced.

[sweaver]

I figure when the steroids cases hit the fan, and we get the lowdown on who has done them (like eventually happened in the cocaine scandals of the 1980s) a few of the names will be the ones we expect, and many like Manny Alexander will make us scratch our heads.

[Jim Rice]

Originally Posted by Rajah

His numbers spiked when Pac Bell opened, a park that was designed with the Bonds long ball in mind. He had that freak year. But in the other 3 years, he appears to be materially unchanged, just improved by PacBell.

If that were true, then we'd see a significant difference between his performance at PacBell and on the road, but that's not the case. In 2001 his homers were divided almost exactly between home (37) and road (36). In 2002 he hit 27 of his 46 homers on the road. Last year, again, he split just about evenly, 23 at home, 22 on the road. He's been ridiculous, to be sure, at PacBell, but since 2001 his home OPS of 1.378 isn't terribly different from his road OPS of 1.324. If PacBell was the answer, where did that road OPS come from? Why has he hit 85 road homers since 2001 and 79 at home? Maybe something perfectly legal and explainable has caused his surge in numbers since 2001, but I just don't see where PacBell Park is that reason.

[ronh]

Originally Posted by Paul Doran

The talk of steroids improving your eye is ridiculous.

"OK," the doctor said when we settled into his examination room. "What do you want to be?" I looked confused, so he explained. "You want to be bigger? Leaner? Faster longer or faster shorter? More overall endurance? You want to see better?" "See better?" "Human growth hormone does that for some people. It improves the muscles in the eyes." He tried again: "So, what do you want?" This was quite a concept. Freud wrote that anatomy is destiny, and here was a doctor giving me a chance, in my late forties, to alter my body in the most fundamental way. It was strange, but also strangely alluring. It had taken me a while to arrive at this moment. I was sitting in the San Fernando Valley offices of a physician whose identity I've agreed to conceal, let's just call him Dr. Jones.

After a few weeks of the HGH, I began to notice subtle changes. My skin started getting... better. Sun blotches that I'd had on my arms for a year faded away. One morning I woke up and a scar on my forehead, which I'd gotten from a mountain-bike endo two years earlier, was more or less gone. Even though I was training like a madman, I looked more rested. Younger. A little fresher. Then I started to realize that my eyesight really was improving. I'd been thinking about getting glasses to read fine print on maps, but now there was no need. The glasses I used for night driving stayed in the glove compartment, unused, unnecessary.

When I got back from France, I immediately quit everything: no HGH, no testosterone, no EPO, and, God knows, no steroids. It was wonderfully liberating to be freed from a routine that had started out feeling illicit and interesting but had become just an annoying daily chore, like taking vitamins. Since then, I haven't had my hematocrit level checked, nor my body fat, HGH, or testosterone. But already my eyesight is starting to slip a bit and I find myself squinting to read small type. I'm sure my recovery times from a hard workout have increased. Even if I keep training as hard, my endurance will drop. LOOKING BACK On the whole saga, I find myself wondering whether I'd keep taking these drugs if I could afford them. For me, it would be a quality-of-life question, not a performance issue. If the HGH weren't so expensive, I'd probably continue with it, at least until I had a good reason not to, like some new evidence that it makes you grow extra ears. (The side effects of HGH are reportedly mild?one is fluid retention.) If nothing else, it helped my eyesight, and I had more energy.

http://outside.away.com/outside/body...ug_test_1.html

PS Is BALCO in the San Fernando Valley?

[Paul Doran]

Did you read my post? His "eye" has always been there. A Baseball "eye" is not just your actual eyesight...

[ronh]

Originally Posted by Paul Doran

Did you read my post? His "eye" has always been there. A Baseball "eye" is not just your actual eyesight...

When someone posts better numbers (OPS, SLG) at age 39 than he ever did before age 35, I would not say that his current "eye" is the same as his past "eye".

With the legacy that came before Barry - his dad and Willy - I just cant imagine him doing steroids..

Before the 2001 season, Bonds was 36 and had only 494 HRs. If he wanted to post numbers like Willy he would really have to do something spectacular soon. He would need to find the fountain of youth. I hope it wasn't in a syringe.