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Old 01-09-2004, 10:17 PM   #1
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Only 2 players have won batting titles despite their average dropping 15 points or more from the previous season. Who are they?
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Everyone will guess Ty Cobb & Tony Gwynn.
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Everyone will guess Ty Cobb & Tony Gwynn.

But it's neither of those guys!
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Old 01-10-2004, 12:21 AM   #4
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I must be missing something

Gwynn

1987 .370
1988 .313


1994 .394
1995 .368
1996 .353

Also, a quick inspection of the year by year leaders shows there are several others who won two in a row where the second year BA was at least .015 lower the first year. For example, just in the AL since 1950:

Carew '77 to '78 .388 to .333
Yaz '67 to '68 .326 to .301
Williams '57 to '58 .388 to .328
Fain '52 to '53 .344 to .327
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Can I be an ass and say Tony Oliva? I mean, his average was WAY lower than what he had when he got his first batting title...
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I must be missing something

No, you're not missing anything. I forgot to specify something in my question -

I'm looking for the 2 guys who won despite the average drop, but who didn't win the batting title in the previous season. So they had a much higher average the year before, but didn't win the title. For example, a guy would hit .350 and finish second, then hit .335 the next season but win the title.

Sorry for the confusion - I completely missed the wording.
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Any guesses?

One guy did it relatively recently, another a long time ago.
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Any guesses?

One guy did it relatively recently, another a long time ago.


Honus Wagner 1905-1906....(dropped from .363 to .339) Cy Seymour won in 1905 at 377
 
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Any guesses?

One guy did it relatively recently, another a long time ago.


And Kirby Puckett 1988-1989 dropping from .356-.339 Boggs won in 1988 at .361
 
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And Kirby Puckett 1988-1989 dropping from .356-.339 Boggs won in 1988 at .361

Good job on both, Elmo - Wagner and Puckett are the guys I was looking for.
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Good job on both, Elmo - Wagner and Puckett are the guys I was looking for.


I knew the Puckett one - and cheated on the Honus one.....Surprising how few times:

a) the difference was negative 15 points
b) it wasn't a repeat guy
c) that the guy who won had been better the year before
 
 


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