Over 5 Years on Cooperstown Ballot

Wolf Hopper · 01-05-2004, 12:48 PM

There are 9 players currently on the HOF ballot who have been on the ballot now for more than 5 years. If you could vote for ONLY one of these players, which would you chose - and why?

pieman · 01-05-2004, 12:54 PM

Blyleven is just so totally overlooked. His statistics make him the biggest error in judgment made by the voters. It's pathetic that he is not enshrined.

sweaver · 01-05-2004, 12:58 PM

Bert is by far the best of that group.

BTW, the Internet Hall of Fame balloting results have been announced at http://premium.baseballprospectus.co...articleid=2501. The article is free.

robls · 01-05-2004, 01:03 PM

Bert is truly deserving. Should have been in on the first ballot.

01-05-2004, 01:04 PM

I guess Blyleven and Rice have the strongest credentials, maybe Sutter for his role in changing the closer position.....none of them are particularly strong candidates IMO. I'd go Rice before Blyleven because his '75-'86 is hall-worthy and I can't quite get my hands around Bert's Wpct...although I know that's at least partially a team function, but I don't feel strongly about it one way or another.

Rajah · 01-05-2004, 01:09 PM

ESPN's poll, which has drawn over 100,000 votes at this point isn't giving anyone an induction, but Danny Darwin did receive .9% of the vote.
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sports...&answer12763=1

Paul Molitor, Eck, and Sandberg come closest. Bert only got 31.7% of the popular, relatively uninformed vote.

JamesI · 01-05-2004, 01:12 PM

Blyleven is by far the best here.

TimmyB · 01-05-2004, 01:18 PM

Blyleven is the best of the bunch, with Rice and Sutter behind. I haven't been able to work up much enthusiasm for any of them for the Hall (besides Rice and some

emotions).

Hall of Very Good for all three. (But, I wouldn't riot in the streets if any of three were inducted. Danny Darwin on the other hand...

)

Wolf Hopper · 01-05-2004, 01:21 PM

Interesting note on Bert - every pitcher with 5000+ IP since 1900 is in the HOF. Bert has 4970. No one is between him and the 5000 group. That alone should be enough.

WiredTiger · 01-05-2004, 01:26 PM

Blyleven probably deserves it more than anyone else. If he had pitched on some good teams he would be in.

Jim Rice · 01-05-2004, 01:28 PM

I voted for Rice because, well, I'm not Bert Blyleven. In an unbiased moment, I would have voted for Bert, then Rice. After them, I don't see anyone I'd be comfortable voting for.

Soapy · 01-05-2004, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf Hopper

Interesting note on Bert - every pitcher with 5000+ IP since 1900 is in the HOF. Bert has 4970. No one is between him and the 5000 group. That alone should be enough.

My choice came down to Bert and Tommy John. I chose John for non-stat reasons. Former White Sox pitcher. Came back from what was once a devastating injury. I like slop pitchers. Randy Jones of San Diego was a fave of mine.

Sutter is third.

Kevin

pwdennis · 01-05-2004, 01:30 PM

Although I believe that Jim Rice belongs in Cooperstown, I'd have to vote for Blyleven as the single most deserving of this list - he really should have gone in on the first ballot. Several much weaker candidate have been elected in recent years (most notably the Padres/Cardinals Aparicio clone)

SmedIndy · 01-05-2004, 02:00 PM

Bert! Bert! Bert!

01-05-2004, 02:07 PM

Got to go with Bert. He's put up some remarkably good numbers, often for some not so very good teams. He's been overlooked for far too long.

View Poll Results: Which one of these "ballot old timers" would get your one vote?
Dale Murphy	2	4.08%
Bert Blyleven	37	75.51%
Dave Parker	0	0%
Keith Hernandez	1	2.04%
Tommy John	2	4.08%
Jim Rice	4	8.16%
Dave Concepcion	0	0%
Bruce Sutter	2	4.08%
Steve Garvey	1	2.04%
Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

01-05-2004, 12:48 PM	#1
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Over 5 Years on Cooperstown Ballot There are 9 players currently on the HOF ballot who have been on the ballot now for more than 5 years. If you could vote for ONLY one of these players, which would you chose - and why? __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

01-05-2004, 01:09 PM	#6
Rajah NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 1,177	ESPN's poll, which has drawn over 100,000 votes at this point isn't giving anyone an induction, but Danny Darwin did receive .9% of the vote. http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sports...&answer12763=1 Paul Molitor, Eck, and Sandberg come closest. Bert only got 31.7% of the popular, relatively uninformed vote. __________________ Why does Aubrey Huff looked so mad in his picture? Oh wait...

01-05-2004, 01:21 PM	#9
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Interesting note on Bert - every pitcher with 5000+ IP since 1900 is in the HOF. Bert has 4970. No one is between him and the 5000 group. That alone should be enough. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

01-05-2004, 01:30 PM	#13
pwdennis NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 2,503	Although I believe that Jim Rice belongs in Cooperstown, I'd have to vote for Blyleven as the single most deserving of this list - he really should have gone in on the first ballot. Several much weaker candidate have been elected in recent years (most notably the Padres/Cardinals Aparicio clone) __________________ "I would submit that if the world survives for a million years, perhaps its finest hour may be that in the last half of the 20th century, when the power to blow up the world rested in the hands of a few men in two very unsophisticated and suspicious countries, we didn't do it, and one American, Richard Nixon, moved the cold war away from permanent confrontation toward victory. How could any wrong that he did compare with that?" - John Sears

01-05-2004, 12:54 PM	#2
pieman Having A NetShrine Cup Of Coffee Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: China, Maine USA Posts: 12	Blyleven is just so totally overlooked. His statistics make him the biggest error in judgment made by the voters. It's pathetic that he is not enshrined.

01-05-2004, 12:58 PM	#3
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Bert is by far the best of that group. BTW, the Internet Hall of Fame balloting results have been announced at http://premium.baseballprospectus.co...articleid=2501. The article is free.

01-05-2004, 01:03 PM	#4
robls NetShrine Hot Prospect Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 15	Bert is truly deserving. Should have been in on the first ballot.

01-05-2004, 01:04 PM	#5
Elmo Posts: n/a	I guess Blyleven and Rice have the strongest credentials, maybe Sutter for his role in changing the closer position.....none of them are particularly strong candidates IMO. I'd go Rice before Blyleven because his '75-'86 is hall-worthy and I can't quite get my hands around Bert's Wpct...although I know that's at least partially a team function, but I don't feel strongly about it one way or another.

01-05-2004, 01:12 PM	#7
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	Blyleven is by far the best here.

01-05-2004, 01:18 PM	#8
TimmyB NetShrine's Magic 8-Ball Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Where the cops speak slow and the air is nice Posts: 2,591	Blyleven is the best of the bunch, with Rice and Sutter behind. I haven't been able to work up much enthusiasm for any of them for the Hall (besides Rice and some emotions). Hall of Very Good for all three. (But, I wouldn't riot in the streets if any of three were inducted. Danny Darwin on the other hand... )

01-05-2004, 01:26 PM	#10
WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	Blyleven probably deserves it more than anyone else. If he had pitched on some good teams he would be in.

01-05-2004, 01:28 PM	#11
Jim Rice Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 783	I voted for Rice because, well, I'm not Bert Blyleven. In an unbiased moment, I would have voted for Bert, then Rice. After them, I don't see anyone I'd be comfortable voting for.

01-05-2004, 02:00 PM	#14
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	Bert! Bert! Bert!

01-05-2004, 02:07 PM	#15
Beach Bum Posts: n/a	Got to go with Bert. He's put up some remarkably good numbers, often for some not so very good teams. He's been overlooked for far too long.

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