Baseball 1876-1900

Wolf Hopper · 12-26-2003, 09:15 AM

What are the most significant baseball stories - on the field and off - regular season, post-season, and off-season - for this period, in your opinion?

sweaver · 12-26-2003, 09:58 AM

1. The formation of the National League
2. The Player's League battle of 1890.
3. Segregation takes form.
4. King Kelly

SmedIndy · 12-26-2003, 01:34 PM

Go back to 1871 - Wolfie - with the establishment of the first professional "league", the National Association (unjustly not called a major league).

To add to Sweavers list - the rule changes for pitching and hitting (which subsided in 1892 (Wolfie, pay attention to that date!!))

The establishment of the American Association as a viable alternate major league, and then the collapse of the AA into a 12-team behemoth.

Syndicate ball and how it almost ruined the game.

The development of many strategies we take for granted now (stolen bases, sac bunts, platooning).

The establishment of gambling - which forced the expulsion of four Louisville players (and ultimately the team) and also tainted squads in New York (the Mutuals) and other large cities.

The onerous rules of the NL, which caused Cincinnati to flee and excluded some players from the NL (like Charley Jones) because they just wanted to make a living.

KCBOOMER · 12-29-2003, 11:38 AM

1. The Rise of Organized Baseball

Wolf Hopper · 01-19-2004, 11:06 AM

Smed's right - you have to go back before 1876 here.
Here's my list:

Elysian Fields
National Association of Baseball Players
1869 Cincinnati Red Stockings
National Association of Professional Baseball Players
National League of Professional Baseball Clubs
American Association
The National Agreement
Union Association
Player's League
The Temple Cup
1899 Cleveland Spiders

Throwback · 01-22-2004, 12:00 AM

1884...Hoss Radbourn's 59 (or 60) wins. For those of you not familiar, he was the 2nd best pitcher on the Providence Grays (out of 2), but when main guy Charlie Sweeney jumped to the Union Association, Radbourn volunteered to pitch all the remaining games if they would release him from his contract. He came close to doing just that, only being spelled rarely by a position player, and led the failing Grays organization to the NL Championship.

12-26-2003, 09:15 AM	#1
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Baseball 1876-1900 What are the most significant baseball stories - on the field and off - regular season, post-season, and off-season - for this period, in your opinion? __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

12-26-2003, 01:34 PM	#3
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	Go back to 1871 - Wolfie - with the establishment of the first professional "league", the National Association (unjustly not called a major league). To add to Sweavers list - the rule changes for pitching and hitting (which subsided in 1892 (Wolfie, pay attention to that date!!)) The establishment of the American Association as a viable alternate major league, and then the collapse of the AA into a 12-team behemoth. Syndicate ball and how it almost ruined the game. The development of many strategies we take for granted now (stolen bases, sac bunts, platooning). The establishment of gambling - which forced the expulsion of four Louisville players (and ultimately the team) and also tainted squads in New York (the Mutuals) and other large cities. The onerous rules of the NL, which caused Cincinnati to flee and excluded some players from the NL (like Charley Jones) because they just wanted to make a living. Last edited by SmedIndy : 12-26-2003 at 01:37 PM.

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01-19-2004, 11:06 AM	#5
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Smed's right - you have to go back before 1876 here. Here's my list: Elysian Fields National Association of Baseball Players 1869 Cincinnati Red Stockings National Association of Professional Baseball Players National League of Professional Baseball Clubs American Association The National Agreement Union Association Player's League The Temple Cup 1899 Cleveland Spiders __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

01-22-2004, 12:00 AM	#6
Throwback NetShrine Rookie Of The Year Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 71	1884...Hoss Radbourn's 59 (or 60) wins. For those of you not familiar, he was the 2nd best pitcher on the Providence Grays (out of 2), but when main guy Charlie Sweeney jumped to the Union Association, Radbourn volunteered to pitch all the remaining games if they would release him from his contract. He came close to doing just that, only being spelled rarely by a position player, and led the failing Grays organization to the NL Championship. __________________ I'm back! 400-some posts lighter, but better than ever!

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